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Post by Problem of Dog on Feb 13, 2012 14:43:15 GMT -5
Once again, being fair, Houston proper (even not including the suburbs and exurbs) is HUGE and probably almost as big as DC to Baltimore. Also, the Houston metro area is larger than the DC-NoVa-Baltimore metro area. So saying "they don't need to take in 2 states and one 'area' to compete in debate" isn't necessarily fair.
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Post by RDF on Feb 13, 2012 15:00:53 GMT -5
Once again, being fair, Houston proper (even not including the suburbs and exurbs) is HUGE and probably almost as big as DC to Baltimore. Also, the Houston metro area is larger than the DC-NoVa-Baltimore metro area. So saying "they don't need to take in 2 states and one 'area' to compete in debate" isn't necessarily fair. So now we're worried about "fairness" in a debate? I've stated facts and unlike some of those on opposing end-they've never seen the players being mentioned. Until they do, let's ignore the words "necessarily fair" from discussion. If guys don't want to comprehend what has been written and want to fight/argue, I'm more then happy to oblige. 1 hasn't understood a thing written and keeps ignoring the real debate by throwing in players from 1980-2008 to support his claims that this latest group of players is great. The other doesn't like the tone and thinks it's an insult to players and he hasn't seen the players being compared-but is quite certain they aren't as good. Based on??? If Georgetown signs anyone--I wish them the best and hope they exceed expectations of everyone and turn out to have great careers. However-when you have options, and some are better then what is local--it shouldn't be a problem to say "These guys are better and this is why....." and when you are showcased on television and have been for nearly a decade-and have comparisons of DMV eras--it's very easy to discuss/compare which was strong and which isn't. Throw in watching AAU teams in Spring/Summer and it's even more defined that it's a down time. Doesn't mean it'll last forever. Doesn't mean you can't find players in those areas-but overall--it's not a very strong group lately. Great thing is--things change quickly in sports--and hope they do for Georgetown's sake--but then again-a lot of DMV guys act too good for Georgetown too-especially from AAU perspective, so that might not help either.
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Post by tonyparker on Feb 13, 2012 15:45:12 GMT -5
I don't have any issue with the content of your posts or you disagreeing with me. I generally enjoy your posts, particularly as regards recruiting. I think when someone disagrees with you, however, you adopt an angry, defensive tone that is pretty weird and full of attacks and I just don't get it. You have absolutely no idea how much basketball I watch, or whom I've watched.
Let's agree to disagree on DMV vs. Houston.
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Post by 757hoyafan on Feb 25, 2012 18:16:51 GMT -5
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Post by Problem of Dog on Aug 26, 2012 16:59:46 GMT -5
Committed to Nova. Never ended up being much interest from our end here.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Aug 26, 2012 18:42:58 GMT -5
Committed to Nova. Never ended up being much interest from our end here. Good hope he ends up being another bust that nova gets from DC like Armwood and Yarou.
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Post by hsb on Aug 26, 2012 19:21:53 GMT -5
Any kid can bust - we've seen our share - but Im betting he's not one of them.
I see a guy who can shoot the lights out, pass very well, great hands, pretty good handle, and bang and rebound with the bigs boys. The main issue is can he cover a legit Big East 4 or 3. We'll see.
On the flip side, he plays with alot of heart. It'll be fun rooting against him.
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Post by daymondmyles on Aug 26, 2012 19:39:59 GMT -5
They love an undersized big there. Honestly though I think they are better off with those rather than true big men.
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Post by kghoya on Aug 26, 2012 20:01:44 GMT -5
Can't believe David Cox couldn't roll in this big fish.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2012 10:35:01 GMT -5
"Right now, my concentration is to try to get Josh Hart to commit and go to Villanova as well," the 6-foot-6, 250-pound Kris Jenkins told SNY.tv Sunday afternoon. "Young guys like Ja’Quan Newton and whoever else Villanova is recruiting from this area as well."
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Post by Problem of Dog on Aug 27, 2012 10:51:38 GMT -5
"Right now, my concentration is to try to get Josh Hart to commit and go to Villanova as well," the 6-foot-6, 250-pound Kris Jenkins told SNY.tv Sunday afternoon. "Young guys like Ja’Quan Newton and whoever else Villanova is recruiting from this area as well." Newton is a stud, and I think Hart will either end up there or Arizona.
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Post by hsb on Mar 6, 2017 12:26:09 GMT -5
Excuse my "I told you so", but pretty clear in 2011 and 12 that Hart and Jenkins were the real deal and the cream of the DMV. Not sure what all of the detractors were watching. Hoyas have to start getting the best DMV players again to compete. Just that simple. . . even if they are not classic position players. We need talented local players with heart who will fight and compete.
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Post by Filo on Mar 6, 2017 12:49:57 GMT -5
Hilarious stuff in this one. Hindsight on Jenkins here? Wow. But my big takeaway is the RDF stuff. Just classic. RDF:Hoyatalk::Trump:Twitter.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 6, 2017 16:07:44 GMT -5
Others like Problem of Dog also didn't like Jenkins. I am not saying that to cause any debate. I am just saying that the debate among even HoyaTalk members shows how subjective and inexact recruiting is. Some people looked at Jenkins and wanted him; others didn't. Same with Hart - a bunch of HoyaTalkers didn't want him either.
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Post by dreamhoya on Mar 6, 2017 20:18:27 GMT -5
I didn't like each of their games either, so i don't feel bad that they're good players on a good team. Maybe their coach helped "develop" them into better players. Hmmm
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Post by Problem of Dog on Mar 6, 2017 23:06:54 GMT -5
Others like Problem of Dog also didn't like Jenkins. I am not saying that to cause any debate. I am just saying that the debate among even HoyaTalk members shows how subjective and inexact recruiting is. Some people looked at Jenkins and wanted him; others didn't. Same with Hart - a bunch of HoyaTalkers didn't want him either. I think I nailed this one. Wanted Hart, of course. Thought Jenkins was fine, but he wasn't going to be the player he is at Nova if he came here. He'd be a lot like Marcus Derrickson so far.
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Post by Cambridge on Mar 7, 2017 10:47:23 GMT -5
I think I nailed this one. Color me surprised...
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Post by hsb on Mar 7, 2017 12:56:34 GMT -5
I saw Derrickson play a bunch in high school. Nice high school player but anyone who put him on the same level as Hart or Jenkins in hs is/was way off base. Not Monday morning QB. I said those two were special 5 years ago. It was obvious to me and many others, but not to many on this board or apparently, anyone with the team. If we're going to improve, much less return to glory, we have to do a better job of evaluating and then getting local talent.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 7, 2017 14:07:56 GMT -5
I saw Derrickson play a bunch in high school. Nice high school player but anyone who put him on the same level as Hart or Jenkins in hs is/was way off base. Not Monday morning QB. I said those two were special 5 years ago. It was obvious to me and many others, but not to many on this board or apparently, anyone with the team. If we're going to improve, much less return to glory, we have to do a better job of evaluating and then getting local talent. At this point who cares where the talent comes from as long as the staff recognizes it & gets the player to commit..
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Post by Problem of Dog on Mar 7, 2017 17:40:44 GMT -5
I saw Derrickson play a bunch in high school. Nice high school player but anyone who put him on the same level as Hart or Jenkins in hs is/was way off base. Not Monday morning QB. I said those two were special 5 years ago. It was obvious to me and many others, but not to many on this board or apparently, anyone with the team. If we're going to improve, much less return to glory, we have to do a better job of evaluating and then getting local talent. You're a Gonzaga homer and you're wrong. Derrickson was a very good player in HS and was on a loaded team. Jenkins was also very good, but didn't have to share the load once Nate Britt left and Bryant Crawford was constantly hurt. Also, by his senior year, Jenkins was wildly out of shape. Part of the reason why he wasn't as heavily recruited as you apparently think he should've been.
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