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Post by royski on Mar 19, 2012 17:27:44 GMT -5
I selfishly hope he stays because he's a very good college player (if not a great one) and he'll make our team next season better, hands down.
HAVING SAID THAT, Hollis is just not an NBA player at this point, and I doubt he'll get drafted if he declares. That's my evaluation as someone who is as big an NBA fan as a college fan. Hollis's handle is extremely suspect to play SG in the NBA, and his athleticism will be bottom-rung for that as well. There's no real reason to believe he can effectively guard NBA wings. His only NBA level skill is his deep shooting, and his confidence in that clearly comes and goes. Some of the comparisons people are throwing out here are ludicrous and incredibly unfair to Hollis.
Kyle Korver? Comparing their junior seasons, Korver averaged more points on better shooting from the field, and was in a completely other league at the line. (68% vs. 89%) Korver also averaged 3.3 apg vs. Hollis's 1.5; Korver's handle is not comparable to Hollis's.
Danny Granger is even more ludicrous; the guy averaged 20 and 9 his junior year. I'll just leave it at that.
A much better comparable to what Hollis can aspire to be at the NBA level is Daequan Cook, which is not a knock on Hollis in the least. Cook is a solid rotation player for a championship-caliber team. However, Hollis will still need to greatly tighten his handle to achieve that.
I'm sorry if anyone thinks any of that makes me a bad fan. I LOVE Hollis, but I'm realistic about what I think he can do in the NBA. I sure hope he comes back for a senior season for a Big East title contender, which he fully deserves.
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Post by NoBoumtjeInTheYaYaRoom on Mar 19, 2012 17:33:34 GMT -5
From what I've heard, he is content with the idea of being a 2nd round draft pick or even undrafted and playing in the D-League next year. He believes that his NBA style game will get more development there than another year in the Gtown offense. Here's to hoping JT3 can convince him otherwise.
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KirbyKeger
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Post by KirbyKeger on Mar 19, 2012 17:44:03 GMT -5
I just think it would be hard to walk away after yesterday. I mean, you're sitting there crushed that you lost, and then you realize that you're sitting next to Jason and Henry who are even more crushed because their Georgetown careers are over. You can avoid that pain though. Yours doesn't have to be over yet. Personally, I'd be psyched to have another chance to do damage in the tournament for my school. If Hollis is ready to move on though, then you have to support him.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Mar 19, 2012 18:42:29 GMT -5
While I agree the fan base needs to support his decision to matriculate if he is able to get his degree this spring, I also don't feel like a bad fan for being critical of his play, at least on the offensive end.
On the positive side, I think Hollis' on-the-ball defense improved dramatically this season. The improvement we saw last year in his rebounding also continued, and was a meaningful component to the team's over all improvement on the defensive end.
Unfortunately, Hollis was unable to generate consistent offense in league play, other than knocking down open threes that came within the flow of the offense. In particular, when we started playing the big boys in conference, Hollis had some of his quietest games. This can't look impressive to NBA scouts. And it leaves me wanting when looking back at his career as a Hoya.
But Hollis is not alone. While I thought he was on pace to finish in a very strong fashion, Jason's last 6 games were a Yo Yo on offense. Good. Bad. Good. Bad. And all year Henry was unable to string together consistent offensive efforts. He struggled to finish in traffic all year and took too many outside jumpers from 15+ feet, despite his dramatic improvement in every facet of the game. These three players, our presumptive team leaders, were simply unable collectively to make winning plays against Marquette, Cincinnati, and NC State.
Unfortunately, the bad side of these efforts on offense would occasionally converge in a single game, and we'd go for long stretches in games without scoring. This phenomenon occurred in almost all of our 9 losses (NC State, Cincy twice, Marquette, Seton Hall, Pitt, WVU, etc.). Turnovers, missed shots, unable to create/draw fouls, poor passing, unforced errors. The stuff you can't do to beat a tough opponent.
Without our stout defense, we'd have been in trouble a lot this season. Thank goodness we stepped the effort on that end. It really carried us to the record we posted. Was a real reminder about how defense can shape a successful season.
We have been reminded how defense should always be our focus and primary objective as a team. But the offense needs to improve next year to get us over the hump. I've been arguing in other threads that he should return to work on his game. But I'm not sure Hollis is part of the solution, quite honestly.
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Post by mfk24 on Mar 19, 2012 19:07:05 GMT -5
While I agree the fan base needs to support his decision to matriculate if he is able to get his degree this spring, I also don't feel like a bad fan for being critical of his play, at least on the offensive end. On the positive side, I think Hollis' on-the-ball defense improved dramatically this season. The improvement we saw last year in his rebounding also continued, and was a meaningful component to the team's over all improvement on the defensive end. Unfortunately, Hollis was unable to generate consistent offense in league play, other than knocking down open threes that came within the flow of the offense. In particular, when we started playing the big boys in conference, Hollis had some of his quietest games. This can't look impressive to NBA scouts. And it leaves me wanting when looking back at his career as a Hoya. But Hollis is not alone. While I thought he was on pace to finish in a very strong fashion, Jason's last 6 games were a Yo Yo on offense. Good. Bad. Good. Bad. And all year Henry was unable to string together consistent offensive efforts. He struggled to finish in traffic all year and took too many outside jumpers from 15+ feet, despite his dramatic improvement in every facet of the game. These three players, our presumptive team leaders, were simply unable collectively to make winning plays against Marquette, Cincinnati, and NC State. Unfortunately, the bad side of these efforts on offense would occasionally converge in a single game, and we'd go for long stretches in games without scoring. This phenomenon occurred in almost all of our 9 losses (NC State, Cincy twice, Marquette, Seton Hall, Pitt, WVU, etc.). Turnovers, missed shots, unable to create/draw fouls, poor passing, unforced errors. The stuff you can't do to beat a tough opponent. Without our stout defense, we'd have been in trouble a lot this season. Thank goodness we stepped the effort on that end. It really carried us to the record we posted. Was a real reminder about how defense can shape a successful season. We have been reminded how defense should always be our focus and primary objective as a team. But the offense needs to improve next year to get us over the hump. I've been arguing in other threads that he should return to work on his game. But I'm not sure Hollis is part of the solution, quite honestly. You have every right to be critical of Hollis' play, it's comments like, "well the kid won't amount to anything, he's got no NBA skills" that are IMO ridiculous in terms of his decision to stay or go. My contention is....who's to say that staying at Georgetown another year will help this kid in any way, shape, or form? He could stay here, play, (make a Final Four run ;D) and end up in exactly the same place in terms of his role on the team or his draft stock, and then what?? Except for the possibility of enjoying the experience...where's the benefit for him?
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Mar 19, 2012 19:31:34 GMT -5
Agreed. If he stays, he risks becoming an even smaller role player if Otto, Greg, and NN start to take over. While 3 weeks ago I thought Hollis should stay to get better and become more of a leader next season, I'm pretty sure if he returns he becomes our 4th option on offense and further damages his NBA aspirations.
I think the smart money is that he leaves, but not because he's ready for NBA. The real reason is that he probably can't develop into a prime time Big East player next year.
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KirbyKeger
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Post by KirbyKeger on Mar 19, 2012 19:36:19 GMT -5
Agreed. If he stays, he risks becoming an even smaller role player if Otto, Greg, and NN start to take over. While 3 weeks ago I thought Hollis should stay to get better and become more of a leader next season, I'm pretty sure if he returns he becomes our 4th option on offense and further damages his NBA aspirations. I think the smart money is that he leaves, but not because he's ready for NBA. But because he probably can't develop into a prime time Big East player next year. I have to disagree with this. Sure, Hollis disappeared way more than he should have this season, but there is no chance he becomes our 4th scoring option. He would probably be 2nd at worst. Otto is a tremendous all-around player. I still don't think we'll quite see him fill it up more consistently than Hollis next year though. Greg showed the ability to hit the corner three and flashes of other ability off the dribble. He'll still be a little raw next season, so its doubtful he would take many of the scoring duties from Hollis. Hollis showed yesterday that he can put the ball in the basket with ease if he gets aggressive and demands the ball. He would be the #1 option next season. Does that mean he wouldn't still disappear? Of course not. Would he still be the best pure scorer on the roster? Undoubtedly, at least in my opinion.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 19, 2012 20:21:09 GMT -5
Agreed. If he stays, he risks becoming an even smaller role player if Otto, Greg, and NN start to take over. While 3 weeks ago I thought Hollis should stay to get better and become more of a leader next season, I'm pretty sure if he returns he becomes our 4th option on offense and further damages his NBA aspirations. I think the smart money is that he leaves, but not because he's ready for NBA. But because he probably can't develop into a prime time Big East player next year. I have to disagree with this. Sure, Hollis disappeared way more than he should have this season, but there is no chance he becomes our 4th scoring option. He would probably be 2nd at worst. Otto is a tremendous all-around player. I still don't think we'll quite see him fill it up more consistently than Hollis next year though. Greg showed the ability to hit the corner three and flashes of other ability off the dribble. He'll still be a little raw next season, so its doubtful he would take many of the scoring duties from Hollis. Hollis showed yesterday that he can put the ball in the basket with ease if he gets aggressive and demands the ball. He would be the #1 option next season. Does that mean he wouldn't still disappear? Of course not. Would he still be the best pure scorer on the roster? Undoubtedly, at least in my opinion. +1 You're way off base with this opinion RD...
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Post by OldHoyafan on Mar 19, 2012 20:44:05 GMT -5
Agreed. If he stays, he risks becoming an even smaller role player if Otto, Greg, and NN start to take over. While 3 weeks ago I thought Hollis should stay to get better and become more of a leader next season, I'm pretty sure if he returns he becomes our 4th option on offense and further damages his NBA aspirations. I think the smart money is that he leaves, but not because he's ready for NBA. The real reason is that he probably can't develop into a prime time Big East player next year. Agree, he is not a leader who demands the ball and even if he was at this point I don't see JT3 making him the focal point of offense because his game is limited to open jump shots. If he stays fine but Otto and Greg should be the focal points on offense.
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Mar 19, 2012 20:46:34 GMT -5
If Hollis comes back he would definitely be the most skilled offensive player in my opinion
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Post by kghoya on Mar 19, 2012 21:07:31 GMT -5
I think it's hard to make these types of decisions after an emotional event, such as a season ending loss.
Hollis was pretty down yesterday after the game, like you would expect.
Right now I'm think that I could make the case for Hollis both staying and leaving.
Selfishly I'd like him to stay for my rooting enjoyment and because I'd like to see him win. I really wish Jason and Henry had made the second weekend of the tournament.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Mar 19, 2012 21:30:13 GMT -5
Really really bummed that Jason never got to play in the Sweet 16. Totally agree on that one. He, more than anyone, deserved a better ending.
Love Hollis, and think he could be a great part of next season. But his stock will drop even further if we land NN.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Mar 21, 2012 9:24:50 GMT -5
I disagree with the notion that he couldn't help his stock by coming back. He'll clearly be trying to work on his only real deficiency at this point which is creating his own shot and scoring off the bounce. I think whether or not he comes back that's clearly what he'll be working on this summer. So if he comes back with the handle and confidence to score off the bounce he'll clearly be our #1 option and could dramatically raise the his stock especially if he leads the team deep into the tournament. Noel is not an offensive option so I don't know how him coming would hurt his stock.
If hollis returns I think our offensive options go: 1 Hollis, 2 Otto 3 Greg 4 Markel 5 Nate 6 Center 7 Jabril 8 back up center 9 DSR 10 aaron. Obviously this is with out knowing lots of things. We're going to be incredibly deep again. especially in the front court with Nate, Mikael, Tyler, Moses and if we add Noel it's just an embarrassment of riches.
1. Markel Jabril DSR 2. Hollis Greg Jabril DSR Aaron 3. Otto Hollis Greg Aaron 4. Nate Otto Mikael Bolden 5. Center Noel>Mikael>Moses>Tyler>Bolden
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Post by idhoya on Mar 21, 2012 13:47:26 GMT -5
I think if Noel comes then Mikael will play alot of four; sliding Otto to the 3 more. I also think you can take Bowen off the list. I think he'll bounce.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 21, 2012 14:59:55 GMT -5
I think if Noel comes then Mikael will play alot of four; sliding Otto to the 3 more. I also think you can take Bowen off the list. I think he'll bounce. Mikeal at the 4 in 3's system is not a good look in my opinion.. He has a lot of ground to make up to get there
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 21, 2012 16:56:17 GMT -5
I think if Noel comes then Mikael will play alot of four; sliding Otto to the 3 more. I also think you can take Bowen off the list. I think he'll bounce. Mikeal at the 4 in 3's system is not a good look in my opinion.. He has a lot of ground to make up to get there Additionally, I'd rather see Otto at the 4. Keeps him in better rebounding position and we are more successful running the offense through a strong 4 then a strong 3. If Noel comes, I'd like Mikael to split his minutes at both the 4 and the 5 but I don't think he will be able to crack into more then 12 mpg. Obviously he still could pass some other players on the depth chart, most notably Nate but if he puts on some weight also Moses and Adams. If we do end up with a front court of Noel, Moses, Adams, Hopkins, Nate, and Otto, what would you do then? To me, that definitely pushes Otto to 3 for some time, but I hope he still gets a majority at 4. Isn't Moses also supposed to be a great shot blocker? I could see him and Noel splitting time at the 5, changing per game on who is hot, with a couple of minutes for Adams/Hopkins/Nate to fill in at the 5 for rest or FT. Then again, who knows where Moses and Adams are and if Noel will come. Also, you think Bowen is leaving (not suprised), any chance of Bolden decommitting?
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Post by idhoya on Mar 21, 2012 18:22:33 GMT -5
doubt it, but thats opinion. Bowen is opinion too. Mikael has face up ability and is a little lite in the tail, so to me he's a four. Adams, Noel, Moses at the 5. Bolden, Nate, Hop at the 4. Greg, Otto, Hollis(?) and 3/4-4/3. With that depth up front I guess it doesn't matter really with Otto.
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Post by dense on Mar 21, 2012 19:26:45 GMT -5
Hopkins has a game in this offense that says he can play the 4-5 like Jeff did. He has the ability to play facing the basket and has a better handle than Lubick. He is a 4 in my opinion and will be more effective on D if he has another shotblocker with him. Hopkins as a weak side man/ wing defender in a zone would block a lot of shots.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Mar 21, 2012 21:57:07 GMT -5
Hopkins has a game in this offense that says he can play the 4-5 like Jeff did. He has the ability to play facing the basket and has a better handle than Lubick. He is a 4 in my opinion and will be more effective on D if he has another shotblocker with him. Hopkins as a weak side man/ wing defender in a zone would block a lot of shots. Yep. Our D would be downright absurdly scary with Hopkins, Whitt, Noel, and Porter
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