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Post by SSHoya on Feb 12, 2012 0:22:22 GMT -5
ESPN said that Lin has now scored more points in his first four starts (since the ABA-NBA merger) than Iverson, O'Neal, Jordan. Averaging 8 assist. Let's see what happens when Melo returns to the lineup and demands the ball.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Feb 12, 2012 3:05:58 GMT -5
Linsanity!If there are any more like this in China, then JT3's trip with our Hoyas last summer may pay big time dividends for years to come. Just in case there's any confusion, Lin is the first Asian-American to play in the NBA. He is not from China. He actually grew up in Palo Alto, very close to Stanford. Now, whether Lin can make an impact on young ballers in China and those of Asian descent all over the world... we'll see, he's only really played like 5 games in the NBA so far. Let's not get the hype machine too high (though I know that it's impossible). So far, so good, love the Linsanity, definitely fun to watch and see where it goes. P.S. And not bitter that the Warriors had him last year then got rid of him. And for that matter, still not bitter that the Warriors passed on Greg Monroe in 2010 to draft Ekpe Udoh with the #5 pick...
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Post by hoyainspirit on Feb 14, 2012 10:06:11 GMT -5
Don't worry, Saxa. I took note his soph year. He was the engine that made the Crimson go when Harvard finally turned the corner under Tommy. The Retrospective Jeremy Lin Story — A Harvard HeroEXCERPT:Although he never was named Ivy League Player of the Year nor played in the NCAA Tournament, Lin put himself on the map as a junior with impressive numbers (17.8 points, 4.3 assists, 2.4 steals per game were all top three in the conference). “He started getting confidence his junior year,” said current Portland head coach and former Stanford assistant Eric Reveno. “We believed he was better than he thought he was. He didn’t know how good he was.” By Ivy League play of his senior year, Lin was being identified as a potential NBA prospect. He finished in the top four of the conference in scoring, assists, steals, and blocks per game as the point guard for a 21-8 team that season. A signature moment came in a contest at Connecticut, against a then-reigning Final Four team, in which he scored 30 points in a just a six-point loss. He also led the team with nine rebounds, three assists, three steals, and two blocks in a ‘wow’ moment for the senior, and three days later he led Harvard to a road win at Boston College by out-dueling future NBA first-round point guard Reggie Jackson, scoring 25 points in the victory...
That week of December 6, 2009, during Lin’s senior year was the moment that an NBA dream become a real possibility, but it had started years ago in winning a state championship and being overlooked by his hometown school. A humble guy, Lin has never admitted to having a chip on his shoulder or something to prove by being passed over. But it was not clear that his success wasn’t just a ’15 minutes of fame’ ordeal once Lin made an NBA roster for the Golden State Warriors last season. It wasn’t until he was given extended playing time for the Knicks in Mike D’Antoni’s offense that the play-making guard really got his chance to shine. With that opportunity, a star has been born. In his first crack at significant minutes for the Knicks, Lin has guided the team to five straight wins in dominant fashion. His 89 points in his first three starts is the most by any player since the NBA/ABA merger in 1976. And while ‘Linsanity’ might never be as wild a phenomenon as it is right now, Jeremy Lin the 23-year-old is just beginning what looks to be a promising long-term career in the league. Those who have had their eye on him since his Ivy League days know that the player has everything it takes to continue being a productive leader in the NBA.
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Post by hifigator on Feb 14, 2012 13:36:25 GMT -5
I've got a question for you guys. I'm admittedly, not really an NBA fan. I watch very little pro basketball until after March Madness, and really, not much until the playoffs start. So I'm not really in a position to answer my question. Obviously, over the past couple of weeks, all the buzz has been about Jeremy Lin, and I totally understand that. The fact that he's literally burst onto the scene from relative obscurity is a testament to a fact that we've rarely ever seen before. And I think that's certainly a good thing, regardless of personal perspective or opinion on any particular player. But I have heard several pundits talking about how the sudden development of Rubio and now Lin are going to "save" the sport. They're quick to point out the damage to the NBA because of the lockout and shortened season. The fact that a threat of not having a season was a realistic possibility, supposedly drove a sizable number of fans away from the sport. And if the points that these guys have made proves accurate, then the spurred interest in the game will be owed primarily to the blossoming of those two young point guards. The story is that there needs to be a storyline. Michael Jordan was a storyline all by himself. The Boston-LA contests have had many storylines, from Wilt/Kareem vs. Russell/Walton to Bird-Magic. But with the lack of such marquee matchups right now, any increase in popularity will come from these two point guards, each featuring a charsimatic style of play.
So with that preface, do you agree with those opinions? Are there a significant number of apathetic NBA fans who have been/will be "turned back on" to the NBA game?
Like I said, I'm not focused enough into the game to answer that question, but are there enough people out there starving for an NBA interest to adopt?
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Feb 14, 2012 22:18:56 GMT -5
Lin just makes the games fun to watch. He has a great story. He's the "little guy" and all you want to see is him beating up on the "big boys" - and he does.
He's also scrappy. I like scrappy.
Otherwise, NBA games are as boring as ever
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Post by kchoya on Feb 15, 2012 9:32:21 GMT -5
Lin just makes the games fun to watch. He has a great story. He's the "little guy" and all you want to see is him beating up on the "big boys" - and he does. He's also scrappy. I like scrappy. Otherwise, NBA games are as boring as ever The only people not liking Linsanity? The tabloid headline writers. At this rate, they may run out of Lin-related puns/headlines by next week. Especially with the Post going front and back today, with Thril lin' on the front, and Amasian! on the back. On Edit - just saw that the Daily News also went double-barrel Linsanity, with "Lin and a Prayer" on the front, and "Just Lin Time!" on the back.
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Post by Filo on Feb 15, 2012 11:20:55 GMT -5
Amasian. Oh man, that's classic. The Post and Daily News never cease to amaze.
My favorite, besides the obvious ones with Anthony Weiner and similar double entendres, was when the Heineken heir / president was kidnapped in the 80s (I think) -- "No Deposit, No Return."
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Post by Elvado on Feb 15, 2012 14:09:50 GMT -5
Back when the Post had am and pm editions I was in NYC for the BET. The morning headline "CHERNY SICK", the evening headline "CHERNY DEAD". Classic.
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Post by nodak89 on Feb 19, 2012 18:12:02 GMT -5
J. Lin 28 Pts, 4 Reb, 14 Ast, 5 Stl, 1 Blk, 7 TO
7 turnovers, but still manages 2:1 A:TO ratio.
Wow. Making me pay attention to more than just the Hoya alums in the NBA.
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Post by MCIGuy on Feb 19, 2012 19:05:26 GMT -5
I've got a question for you guys. I'm admittedly, not really an NBA fan. I watch very little pro basketball until after March Madness, and really, not much until the playoffs start. So I'm not really in a position to answer my question. Obviously, over the past couple of weeks, all the buzz has been about Jeremy Lin, and I totally understand that. The fact that he's literally burst onto the scene from relative obscurity is a testament to a fact that we've rarely ever seen before. And I think that's certainly a good thing, regardless of personal perspective or opinion on any particular player. But I have heard several pundits talking about how the sudden development of Rubio and now Lin are going to "save" the sport. They're quick to point out the damage to the NBA because of the lockout and shortened season. The fact that a threat of not having a season was a realistic possibility, supposedly drove a sizable number of fans away from the sport. And if the points that these guys have made proves accurate, then the spurred interest in the game will be owed primarily to the blossoming of those two young point guards. The story is that there needs to be a storyline. Michael Jordan was a storyline all by himself. The Boston-LA contests have had many storylines, from Wilt/Kareem vs. Russell/Walton to Bird-Magic. But with the lack of such marquee matchups right now, any increase in popularity will come from these two point guards, each featuring a charsimatic style of play. So with that preface, do you agree with those opinions? Are there a significant number of apathetic NBA fans who have been/will be "turned back on" to the NBA game? Like I said, I'm not focused enough into the game to answer that question, but are there enough people out there starving for an NBA interest to adopt? Who cares if there are? The NBA ratings went back up for the 2009-2010 season. For the 2010-2011 season the NBA ratings were tremendous. breaking records for TNT and ESPN all year long. The ratings for the post season, especially the Finals of that year, were through the roof, much of it being due to the hype around the Heat and how that polarized the loyal fans and casual observers. Those great ratings were why media types were saying it was stupid of the NBA to have a lockout; the product was officially hot again. But even with the lockout the ratings for the 2011-2012 season had gotten off to a greater start that those of the previous season. And that was BEFORE Linsanity took over. Lin's "arrival" only adds to the momentum and ensures that the NBA keeps its highly desirable audience it has picked up in China.
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Post by MCIGuy on Feb 19, 2012 19:07:40 GMT -5
Lin just makes the games fun to watch. He has a great story. He's the "little guy" and all you want to see is him beating up on the "big boys" - and he does. He's also scrappy. I like scrappy. Otherwise, NBA games are as boring as ever Plenty of little guys in the league. Plenty of guys that are scrappy. Plenty of great unexpected stories (like Roy). And while college basketball remains my favorite sport, the NBA remains a better product. LeBron's quest to achieve greatness. Kobe's thirst to add on to his greatness. Wade. The Celtics still a bit relevant as they go on what they hope is one last final run. The surprises of Indiana, Philadelphia and Denver (all teams seem to get better after Carmelo is not suiting up for them). Chris Paul, Blake Griffin and Lob City. Durant. Oklahoma being a powerhouse. Memphis' continued success. Derick Rose and the revitalization of the Chicago Bulls. Dirk and the defending champions the Mavericks who became temporarily "America's Team" last summer. The sudden stardom of Kevin Love and the addition of Rubio who makes the Timberwolves one of the more entertaining teams to watch. The old warriors of San Antonio making the old dynasty newsworthy again. The quick turnaround of the crestfallen Cavaliers after the drafting of Irving. The monster nicknamed Moose who will make Detroit a contender again sooner than later. The drama and questions surrounding Dwight Howard and Orlando. And, oh yeah, now Linsanity. The NBA has numerous interesting storylines being played out before us. If most people tend to ignore it as the country becomes increasingly concerned only about all things football, well, that's just how it is. Not to mention for reasons I don't need to get into a big segment of the American public has always hated the NBA for reasons it can't control. Big deal. The league never needed those folks, especially as its international audience and international market continues to grow in ways the other American major league sports can't compete against (including King NFL which tries its best but comes up way short). And to make it even better the sport has the best pre-game/post-game show in the biz for any American sport (TNT) even though those guys do butcher the English language a bit much for my taste.
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Post by EasyEd on Feb 19, 2012 20:09:43 GMT -5
I prefer college ball.
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Post by MCIGuy on Feb 19, 2012 23:18:53 GMT -5
Fantastic.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 20, 2012 3:55:39 GMT -5
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Post by MCIGuy on Feb 20, 2012 17:34:53 GMT -5
Wow, Dan. That's a surprise too. I mean I couldn't guess that already considering your name typically does not pop up in this NBA Forum.
Of course I think it is likely that the vast majority of regulars on this Gtown board are bigger fans of college basketball than the NBA, me included. (Then again I'm sure I could go to a Notre Dame board and I bet most folks over there prefer college football to the NFL). This could be explained by various factors other than the obvious aregument of which of the two provide the better quality product (such as if you are a Georgetown grad you may be more likely to have an attachment to its programs than you would to any NBA team). For me Georgetown Hoyas became my favorite team of any sport. And as a result I have followed college basketball more. I still follow college basketball a lot even though the quality is way down.
As for Mike Wise's column it is really not that much different from his Tim Tebow one in which he expressed his happiness that a guy whom most experts didn't think would be a successful quarterback was thumbing his nose at all the doubters. And as far as the stereotypes of Asian athletes it still goes both ways. Yes, as far as hoops are concerned Asian athletes are put in the same box as white players as not being very athletic and fast. All that nonsense. But they also, like white athletes, get a benefit of the doubt from much of the public as being more intelligent and more hard-working than their black counterparts. Bad stereotypes refuse to die. Period. When I come across random comments on websites with people saying stuff such as "I didn't care for the NBA before but I'm watching now because I love how Lin is stomping those thugs, yada, yada, yada", well, that tells me a lot about a good portion of the people who place the NBA at a distance. I'm not accusing anyone here of sharing those opinions but I'm not gullible enough to think that type of attitude doesn't exist among many of the masses.
I agree with Wise's opinion that Lin is good for the NBA, but here is one question I have: why didn't Lin become a big star while in college, especially considering how the media fawns more over college basketball? Lin was pretty darn good at Harvard and had enough highlights to lead to numerous YouTube tributes. But Lin's story did not get enough play when he was in college. Maybe he needed to play for Duke or UNC. Another question? Why didn't more colleges recruit him when he was in high school? Supposedly he put up very good numbers in high school but it didn't lead to a slew of offers. A lot of people overlooked this kid long before dummies in the NBA ignored his abilities.
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Post by bmartin on Feb 20, 2012 17:50:13 GMT -5
There are a lot of guards that put up good numbers at low/mid majors who are deemed too small for shooting guard and not quick/athletic enough to play point. Lin was good at Harvard but nothing that suggested he could do this.
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Post by hoyarooter on Feb 20, 2012 19:40:52 GMT -5
I've loved both the NBA and college hoops probably longer than most people on this board have been alive. I still love the NBA. That said, I don't think anyone can dispute that the quality of play is definitely down this year, and that the lockout is responsible for that. Next season will be a totally different story, but this year we are stuck with what we have - a predominance of bad shooting, disorganized play, impossible schedules, and little rest for the players. I don't know if any team has been affected by this more than the Lakers, who, even when they win, are unwatchable. But I'll still watch, and I'll keep watching, even when their level of play makes me ill.
And oh, yeah, Jeremy Lin is a great story. So is Ricky Rubio, but Lin's emergence is on a totally different level.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 20, 2012 20:46:47 GMT -5
I agree with Wise's opinion that Lin is good for the NBA, but here is one question I have: why didn't Lin become a big star while in college, especially considering how the media fawns more over college basketball? Yeah, not rocket science to figure out I like college ball far more than the NBA. I think Lin was ignored precisely because he was at Harvard - and while he was good, the offense wasn't geared to showcase him. Somebody pointed out (it may have been on one of the ESPN shows) that he landed in the perfect offense for his skills with d'Antoni's Knick offense. As we all know, there is no bigger showcase for basketball of any kind than the World's Most Famous Arena...
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Post by Filo on Feb 20, 2012 22:05:57 GMT -5
Well, the Knick offense was a good fit for Lin running the point sans Carmelo. It remains to be seen whether it will work as well for Lin with Carmelo back.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 20, 2012 22:16:09 GMT -5
True dat.
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