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Post by professorhoya on Aug 7, 2015 13:50:25 GMT -5
Maybe Milwaukee gives him a shot as Greg Foster developed him at Philly and is now an assistant under Jason Kidd. Greg Monore is also at Milwaukee.
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Post by beenaround on Aug 7, 2015 15:18:16 GMT -5
Yep. Kind of hit me the same way, actually. Wasn't quite sure what to make of it all.
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Post by kchoya on Aug 7, 2015 15:35:46 GMT -5
Yep. Kind of hit me the same way, actually. Wasn't quite sure what to make of it all. Seems like Greg is the only elite Hoya big man to go to the NBA in the past 15 years who didn't have psychological issues, or people questioning their mental makeup. Sweetney - recently-revealed depression. Jeff - disengaged, low motor. Hibbert - the stuff in this article. Not saying it's a trend or indicative or anything, or even criticizing any of these young men. Just an observation.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Aug 7, 2015 17:39:43 GMT -5
Yep. Kind of hit me the same way, actually. Wasn't quite sure what to make of it all. Seems like Greg is the only elite Hoya big man to go to the NBA in the past 15 years who didn't have psychological issues, or people questioning their mental makeup. Sweetney - recently-revealed depression. Jeff - disengaged, low motor. Hibbert - the stuff in this article. Not saying it's a trend or indicative or anything, or even criticizing any of these young men. Just an observation. I'm wondering whether this isn't some kind of budding/growing industry to question these guys mental state knowing that they have money to take advantage of whatever program that is available to them. Heck, on some days you might be able to convince me that I need somebody's couch. Fortunately or unfortunately I won't be able to afford even 15 minutes.
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Post by bicentennial on Aug 7, 2015 17:50:10 GMT -5
I wonder if questions about players mental make up is the cost of being well educated in a sports league where the majority of the players never finish college and many superstars only attend college at the bare minimum to qualify for the league. Didn't see all these type of articles when most players played 3 or more years in college and the rivalries that started in college continued in the pros. Today the players who get a degree or plan to do so are a rarity. There must be fewer peers and thus must be somewhat lonely, possibly even depressing to those who can understand the lifetime importance of an education and have goals for after they are done playing basketball. I'm not trying to be an elitist, I just think it is sad that in Jordan and Ewing's day only superstars left after 3 years and today almost all players who make the league leave before 3 years. Those who do stay in college or go back to finish their degrees have few other players around them with similar long term goals!
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Aug 7, 2015 21:25:22 GMT -5
I wonder if questions about players mental make up is the cost of being well educated in a sports league where the majority of the players never finish college and many superstars only attend college at the bare minimum to qualify for the league. Didn't see all these type of articles when most players played 3 or more years in college and the rivalries that started in college continued in the pros. Today the players who get a degree or plan to do so are a rarity. There must be fewer peers and thus must be somewhat lonely, possibly even depressing to those who can understand the lifetime importance of an education and have goals for after they are done playing basketball. I'm not trying to be an elitist, I just think it is sad that in Jordan and Ewing's day only superstars left after 3 years and today almost all players who make the league leave before 3 years. Those who do stay in college or go back to finish their degrees have few other players around them with similar long term goals! Well stated. The maturity level, I feel, has a lot to do with it.
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Post by tashoya on Aug 8, 2015 8:56:34 GMT -5
I wonder if questions about players mental make up is the cost of being well educated in a sports league where the majority of the players never finish college and many superstars only attend college at the bare minimum to qualify for the league. Didn't see all these type of articles when most players played 3 or more years in college and the rivalries that started in college continued in the pros. Today the players who get a degree or plan to do so are a rarity. There must be fewer peers and thus must be somewhat lonely, possibly even depressing to those who can understand the lifetime importance of an education and have goals for after they are done playing basketball. I'm not trying to be an elitist, I just think it is sad that in Jordan and Ewing's day only superstars left after 3 years and today almost all players who make the league leave before 3 years. Those who do stay in college or go back to finish their degrees have few other players around them with similar long term goals! Interesting take that, in many ways, could have a lot of merit. Add to it the increasing access and subsequent scrutiny of pro athletes and, really, all celebrities today. Mickey Mantle, for instance, was a womanizer, alcoholic, and amphetamine user but was also the hero of tons of little kids and grown men as well because all they saw was his play on the field. Obviously, that's going back a long way but it's not that different from Jordan's era. I only picked Mantle because, to this day, my father still tells me his memories of Mickey Mantle growing up and, while I knew the legend of Mickey Mantle, my only memories of seeing him were a result of the other side of his life. Now, for good or bad, we have much more information about all of these people. As for guys like Roy and Jeff, I'm a homer so I can't be objective. That said, I do have a lot of respect for both of those guys. Jeff with his heart issue and the way that he came back and didn't let a very serious health issue derail his dream. Roy for continuing to put in the work he does to make the NBA at all much less make an All Star team. I get that you can't teach height but I can't imagine anyone betting anything they remotely value on Roy being an NBA All Star upon seeing him play during his freshman year. One can question many things but the dedication or engagement or desire of those two men aren't debatable.
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Post by professorhoya on Aug 8, 2015 10:01:54 GMT -5
I wonder if questions about players mental make up is the cost of being well educated in a sports league where the majority of the players never finish college and many superstars only attend college at the bare minimum to qualify for the league. Didn't see all these type of articles when most players played 3 or more years in college and the rivalries that started in college continued in the pros. Today the players who get a degree or plan to do so are a rarity. There must be fewer peers and thus must be somewhat lonely, possibly even depressing to those who can understand the lifetime importance of an education and have goals for after they are done playing basketball. I'm not trying to be an elitist, I just think it is sad that in Jordan and Ewing's day only superstars left after 3 years and today almost all players who make the league leave before 3 years. Those who do stay in college or go back to finish their degrees have few other players around them with similar long term goals! Interesting take that, in many ways, could have a lot of merit. Add to it the increasing access and subsequent scrutiny of pro athletes and, really, all celebrities today. Mickey Mantle, for instance, was a womanizer, alcoholic, and amphetamine user but was also the hero of tons of little kids and grown men as well because all they saw was his play on the field. Obviously, that's going back a long way but it's not that different from Jordan's era. I only picked Mantle because, to this day, my father still tells me his memories of Mickey Mantle growing up and, while I knew the legend of Mickey Mantle, my only memories of seeing him were a result of the other side of his life. Now, for good or bad, we have much more information about all of these people. As for guys like Roy and Jeff, I'm a homer so I can't be objective. That said, I do have a lot of respect for both of those guys. Jeff with his heart issue and the way that he came back and didn't let a very serious health issue derail his dream. Roy for continuing to put in the work he does to make the NBA at all much less make an All Star team. I get that you can't teach height but I can't imagine anyone betting anything they remotely value on Roy being an NBA All Star upon seeing him play during his freshman year. One can question many things but the dedication or engagement or desire of those two men aren't debatable. People can rag on Roy all they want but at the end of the day he made himself into a mid first round pick, then played well enough on his rookie contract to get a max deal and 60 mil. Compare that to someone with more natural talent and who was at a similar place in college in haseem thabeet (drafted 3rd overall) and Roy has been way more mentally strong. Really the tone of that article should be reserved for players like Thabeet and not someone who has enjoyed a lot of success in the NBA.
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Post by vv83 on Aug 8, 2015 10:23:37 GMT -5
I root harder for Roy than for any player in the NBA. He made himself into an NBA all star by figuring out how to maximize his physical talent, and then working his ass off to do so. he is a smart, sensitive guy - and life is often hard in the spotlight for guys like Roy. I think the way Indianapolis dealt with him this off-season was harsher than it needed to be. indy had every right to change their style of play, to a style that did not fit roy. But they could have been a whole lot more appreciative of the fact that Roy was in many ways the linchpin of the success they had prior to George's injury
Hopefully Roy will have a solid year in LA, and then cash in on the big salary cap jump next year as a FA. With the focus on metrics growing each year in the NBA, some smart team will figure out that Roy can anchor a championship level defense.
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Post by Cambridge on Aug 10, 2015 10:12:26 GMT -5
I wonder if questions about players mental make up is the cost of being well educated in a sports league where the majority of the players never finish college and many superstars only attend college at the bare minimum to qualify for the league. Didn't see all these type of articles when most players played 3 or more years in college and the rivalries that started in college continued in the pros. Today the players who get a degree or plan to do so are a rarity. There must be fewer peers and thus must be somewhat lonely, possibly even depressing to those who can understand the lifetime importance of an education and have goals for after they are done playing basketball. I'm not trying to be an elitist, I just think it is sad that in Jordan and Ewing's day only superstars left after 3 years and today almost all players who make the league leave before 3 years. Those who do stay in college or go back to finish their degrees have few other players around them with similar long term goals! Interesting take that, in many ways, could have a lot of merit. Add to it the increasing access and subsequent scrutiny of pro athletes and, really, all celebrities today. Mickey Mantle, for instance, was a womanizer, alcoholic, and amphetamine user but was also the hero of tons of little kids and grown men as well because all they saw was his play on the field. Obviously, that's going back a long way but it's not that different from Jordan's era. I only picked Mantle because, to this day, my father still tells me his memories of Mickey Mantle growing up and, while I knew the legend of Mickey Mantle, my only memories of seeing him were a result of the other side of his life. Now, for good or bad, we have much more information about all of these people. As for guys like Roy and Jeff, I'm a homer so I can't be objective. That said, I do have a lot of respect for both of those guys. Jeff with his heart issue and the way that he came back and didn't let a very serious health issue derail his dream. Roy for continuing to put in the work he does to make the NBA at all much less make an All Star team. I get that you can't teach height but I can't imagine anyone betting anything they remotely value on Roy being an NBA All Star upon seeing him play during his freshman year. One can question many things but the dedication or engagement or desire of those two men aren't debatable. To put it in even more stark terms - most people didn't even get to see Mantle play. For the most part, the only ones who saw him play were the ones sitting in the stadium. The rest heard him play on the radio or read about it in the newspapers after the fact.
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Post by tashoya on Aug 10, 2015 10:16:10 GMT -5
To put it in even more stark terms - most people didn't even get to see Mantle play. For the most part, the only ones who saw him play were the ones sitting in the stadium. The rest heard him play on the radio or read about it in the newspapers after the fact. Excellent point.
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Post by lichoya68 on Aug 10, 2015 18:58:45 GMT -5
henry IM DYING HERE go hoyas
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 22, 2015 11:39:01 GMT -5
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Post by lichoya68 on Aug 25, 2015 10:10:19 GMT -5
oh henry any news been in italy eating alot of pasta OH HENRY
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 25, 2015 18:39:56 GMT -5
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Post by lichoya68 on Aug 25, 2015 20:50:35 GMT -5
good luck henry BE MEAN go hoya
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 1, 2015 11:09:13 GMT -5
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