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Post by rockhoya on Jul 18, 2015 11:54:39 GMT -5
Nobody is trying to compare their fressn years on offense and shooting efficiency isn't the end all. Otto just stick to what he was good at while Whitt was clearly trying to improve his offensive game through trial and error. Greg's 3pt percentage really suffered during the first 12 games of soph year, but literally every other part of his game improved. They were both averaging 12 and 7 before he got suspended, so I don't understand this narrative of Otto being clear and away the better player. Of course you're entitled to your opinion, but the benefit of hindsight doesn't always make for the strongest evidence. Otto always had a better midrange and offensive rebounding game, but he was also limited in several areas until he took on more responsibility. My point is that it used to be a coinflip between the two. Also, for people that think Otto was clearly the better hs player, where's the evidence for that other than a Rivals number?? I agree offensive efficiency is not everything, but it is meaningful when you say "they were both averaging 12 and 7." I would take Otto's 12 with his much better efficiency than Whittington's with lower efficiency because in the long run Otto's is worth far more to the team - if they both took an equal number of shots, Otto would score more points per possession (and it wasn't even close). I just don't see how you can say that Otto wasn't clearly the better player when he was drafted third following the season. I realize Whittington did not finish the season so we have incomplete information, but I think there is absolutely no chance he would have been drafted top 10 had he stayed. Also, while Whittington was super touted by some for defense (and he was very good defensively, I agree), Porter was also an excellent defender. I realize Whittington got hurt and had his problems, but if he was good enough to be a top 10 type, he'd be in the NBA already and not playing in the summer league. Please don't misinterpret what I am saying - I wish him the best and hope he succeeds. Yeah understood re: efficiency, but at the same time Whitt was just going through growing pains and that wasn't his true offensive game he was being force fed during the ooc to be better down the line, he was just a little more versatile. Otto was good at cleaning up the glass and that had a lot to do with his efficiency. Otto wasn't clearly better up to that point, he was just the more college ready player and it wasn't the largest sample size, that's why I feel comfortable saying that. No way Otto would've been a top 10 pick if Whitt didn't get suspended. If anything, if the team had success they would've both been considered lottery talents, and who knows what would've happened. I'm not trying to say Greg would've been lotto after his sophomore year, but it's a bit revisionist to say Otto was clearly better because of his draft spot. His draft spot was determined by the tear he went on after Whitt got hurt, not based on what he did before. He wouldn't have had enough exposure if not getting extra room to spread his wings.if Otto had missed the year instead, maybe Greg would've elevated his game as well, there's no way of knowing now. But at the time of the suspension, the jury was still out on who could have the better soph year. If Greg shot as well as a soph from 3 as he did during BE play freshman year this wouldn't even be a discussion. He didn't have Otto's midrange but he was pretty solid for someone his size and style too. And to your last point, Greg isn't in the NBA yet because he's been hurt every year since Otto has been in the league. This is the first offseason he's had the chance to play himself into the league. You can't make it to the NBA without first declaring for the draft......which is something he just did a few months ago and will probably be on an NBA roster within the next few weeks.... There are countless lottery talents that aren't in the league for whatever reason.
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Post by kchoya on Jul 18, 2015 13:44:55 GMT -5
Well, that makes two people that wouldn't be shocked if Greg turns out to be a better NBA player than Otto. I love Greg's game and was upset when his GU career fizzled. However it's not a personal slight against the kid to point out he's not in Otto's neighborhood. I'm not saying Greg WILL BE a better player than Otto or even that he is. I think that he COULD BE and is at least as good as Otto. And Otto is my favorite player in the entire NBA because of how he works in all aspects of the game. But I ain't blind. There are things that Greg can do that I've yet to see Otto do. Again, Otto's my favorite NBA player. Sometimes I wonder if people even read what they post? You said, "At least, he's as good as Porter so he should get a contract."
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Post by TC on Jul 18, 2015 15:46:43 GMT -5
Aaron Bowen has superior athleticism to either Whittington or Porter, but he was on the bench for years because he didn't have enough basketball skills to turn that athleticism into results.
Greg Whittington doesn't have the basketball skills to turn that athleticism into results or the life skills to stick on a team. So let's stop the comparisons to Otto.
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Post by ksf42001 on Jul 18, 2015 16:41:24 GMT -5
I did enjoy the fact that both Syracuse and Notre Dame had enough NBA washouts and never-weres to field full teams for this tournament...
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jul 19, 2015 0:31:32 GMT -5
I've been attending these games and will have a full write up on Casual Hoya on Monday. It's been very entertaining.
Sweetney has hit a three in each of his games so far.
The team Sweetney plays for has a lot of former pros on it. The team they played today had no one over 6'4 and had the first woman I've seen play in the tournament. Hence the 115-50 score.
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Post by dreamhoya on Jul 19, 2015 20:25:12 GMT -5
I'm not saying Greg WILL BE a better player than Otto or even that he is. I think that he COULD BE and is at least as good as Otto. And Otto is my favorite player in the entire NBA because of how he works in all aspects of the game. But I ain't blind. There are things that Greg can do that I've yet to see Otto do. Again, Otto's my favorite NBA player. Sometimes I wonder if people even read what they post? You said, "At least, he's as good as Porter so he should get a contract." It's all about interpretation. Literally, you're right.
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Post by kchoya on Jul 19, 2015 23:23:19 GMT -5
I've been attending these games and will have a full write up on Casual Hoya on Monday. It's been very entertaining. Sweetney has hit a three in each of his games so far. The team Sweetney plays for has a lot of former pros on it. The team they played today had no one over 6'4 and had the first woman I've seen play in the tournament. Hence the 115-50 score. Sweetney: over/under 400 pounds?
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Post by BigmanU on Jul 20, 2015 7:57:44 GMT -5
I've been attending these games and will have a full write up on Casual Hoya on Monday. It's been very entertaining. Sweetney has hit a three in each of his games so far. The team Sweetney plays for has a lot of former pros on it. The team they played today had no one over 6'4 and had the first woman I've seen play in the tournament. Hence the 115-50 score. Sweetney: over/under 400 pounds? Is their any reason to attack a Hoya great? He played his heart out for this school and had weight issues after he left. He gave everything he had as a Hoya on some terrible Esherick led teams.
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Post by kchoya on Jul 20, 2015 8:03:28 GMT -5
Sweetney: over/under 400 pounds? Is their any reason to attack a Hoya great? He played his heart out for this school and had weight issues after he left. He gave everything he had as a Hoya on some terrible Esherick led teams. Not attacking him, just wondering what his current status is. Have you seen recent pictures of him? Not good. Of all the Hoyas who didn't play as well in the NBA as we hoped, his fall was the most disappointing as he showed he could play at a high level in the league.
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Post by BigmanU on Jul 20, 2015 8:11:30 GMT -5
Is their any reason to attack a Hoya great? He played his heart out for this school and had weight issues after he left. He gave everything he had as a Hoya on some terrible Esherick led teams. Not attacking him, just wondering what his current status is. Have you seen recent pictures of him? Not good. Of all the Hoyas who didn't play as well in the NBA as we hoped, his fall was the most disappointing as he showed he could play at a high level in the league. Yes, I've seen recent pictures of him and it doesn't change my stance. I may get reprimanded and I normally don’t get caught up in this but, this really struck a nerve. I use to be on campus and would watch him faithfully run to get himself in shape. His production showed this. Other Hoyas can be questioned for their work ethic on the Hilltop but, he was not one of them. He had to also deal with family issues as soon as he got in the league which may has triggered his downward spiral. We all root for are NBA Hoyas and sometimes it just doesn't work out. No need to rip this young and make backhanded jokes about his weight after he gave us so much. Let it go!
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Post by kchoya on Jul 20, 2015 8:33:44 GMT -5
Not attacking him, just wondering what his current status is. Have you seen recent pictures of him? Not good. Of all the Hoyas who didn't play as well in the NBA as we hoped, his fall was the most disappointing as he showed he could play at a high level in the league. Yes, I've seen recent pictures of him and it doesn't change my stance. I may get reprimanded and I normally don’t get caught up in this but, this really struck a nerve. I use to be on campus and would watch him faithfully run to get himself in shape. His production showed this. Other Hoyas can be questioned for their work ethic on the Hilltop but, he was not one of them. He had to also deal with family issues as soon as he got in the league which may has triggered his downward spiral. We all root for are NBA Hoyas and sometimes it just doesn't work out. No need to rip this young and make backhanded jokes about his weight after he gave us so much. Let it go! If you're not going to read what I typed, then don't respond to my post.
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Post by BigmanU on Jul 20, 2015 8:44:27 GMT -5
Yes, I've seen recent pictures of him and it doesn't change my stance. I may get reprimanded and I normally don’t get caught up in this but, this really struck a nerve. I use to be on campus and would watch him faithfully run to get himself in shape. His production showed this. Other Hoyas can be questioned for their work ethic on the Hilltop but, he was not one of them. He had to also deal with family issues as soon as he got in the league which may has triggered his downward spiral. We all root for are NBA Hoyas and sometimes it just doesn't work out. No need to rip this young and make backhanded jokes about his weight after he gave us so much. Let it go! If you're not going to read what I typed, then don't respond to my post. You obviously didn't read what I typed. Either you have blinders on or don't comprehend what I wrote. You seem like an reasonably intelligent person, so I assume the former. Attacking others for no reason shows a very strong character flaw. Were all human and sometimes we have issues we just can't move past. www.nytimes.com/2003/10/01/sports/pro-basketball-sweetney-mourns-loss-and-finds-inspiration.html I still don't get why you are making backhanded comments about his weight. What has he personally done to you or the Hoya community (his time as a Hoya) to deserve this? I'm going to leave this alone because I've said my peace. I believe you also know you spoke out of turn. Unfortunately, Human nature dictates the person who is wrong will try and save face.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jul 20, 2015 9:21:03 GMT -5
For the record, I don't think anything kchoya said is backhanded.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Jul 20, 2015 11:50:09 GMT -5
makes me think sweetyney ran over Kchoya's dog or spilled drinks on him at Leos
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Post by kchoya on Jul 20, 2015 11:59:55 GMT -5
makes me think sweetyney ran over Kchoya's dog or spilled drinks on him at Leos Jeez. I love Michael Sweetney. I just asked how big he looked since the last photos I saw was from some league in Puerto Rico (or somewhere) and he did not look good. Plus, Leo's didn't open until after Sweetney left the Hilltop.
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Post by professorhoya on Jul 20, 2015 13:21:34 GMT -5
makes me think sweetyney ran over Kchoya's dog or spilled drinks on him at Leos From the sounds of it I think Sweetney may have eaten Kchoya's dogs.
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Post by tashoya on Jul 21, 2015 7:14:25 GMT -5
I can't imagine any Hoya not loving Sweetney. I didn't see anything negative or wrong with what kc posted. It's likely past posts that caused any reaction at all to what was said. Aren't we all hoping Mike is in better shape than he was when he got bounced from the league? I can still picture Mike scoring with, literally, two opponents actively grabbing him on many possessions. Dude was a beast.
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