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Post by professorhoya on Apr 26, 2015 11:43:16 GMT -5
Randy "Gomer Pyle" Wittman: Career Record (237-365) .394 Winning Percentage
It's amazing how many opportunities this guy gets when there are alot of up and coming head coaching candidates who can't get even one opportunity.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 26, 2015 15:22:57 GMT -5
I am amazed by those who KNOW the answer as to whether Otto was handled properly. I've been around the game a long time, and I do not KNOW the answer. But , either way,what matters is that he is clearly arriving as a legit NBA glue guy. Very proud of him. I'm not sure if anyone KNOWS (does that have to be capitalized?) the best way to bring Otto along, but I think everyone agrees the way Randy has handled has been horrible. From acting (?) as though he didn't even know who Otto was last season, to letting him languish on the bench behind such perennial all-stars like Butler and Webster, to the yo-yoing of his playing time this season. Heck, he was still getting DNP-CD'ed at the end of this season. No #3 pick should ever get a DNP-CD unless there's an undisclosed injury. No one that knows anything about basketball would say that Wittman has done even a passable job coaching Otto. Example #782: No Randy. If only there was someone you could've talked to last year to get Otto more playing time.
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Post by zxhoya on Apr 26, 2015 16:43:15 GMT -5
Well I'm obviously in the minority on my opinion that Randy is a good coach. The Wizards have been a dysfunctional organization for most of my 48 years and I've seen far worse in that time.
The thing I like about him the most is he's going to do it his way, for good or bad. So often coaches get fired for doing entirely what management thinks is best or from other outside pressures. He is old-school, played for Bob Knight and had a decent career in the league himself he has some knowledge about the game. Like JT Jr. said when he was coaching, it's a dictatorship, not a democracy.
I'm a Hoya fan and a Wizard fan so I want the best for Otto for obvious reasons and having to earn playing time and a coaches trust is good for Otto. The desire to prove others wrong is a powerful motivation.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 26, 2015 17:29:51 GMT -5
The thing I like about him the most is he's going to do it his way, for good or bad. So often coaches get fired for doing entirely what management thinks is best or from other outside pressures. He is old-school, played for Bob Knight and had a decent career in the league himself he has some knowledge about the game. None of that make him a good coach. There are tons of ex-players (including ones that could be described as "old school") that have been crappy coaches. In Randy's case "his way" is not that good.
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 26, 2015 18:18:49 GMT -5
You're up 10 in the 4th and you're the franchise player you can take at least one bad shot, imo. He was much more concerned with milking the clock than actually scoring. Run the clock. That's fine. But get a shot or, at a minimum, feed the hot hand. Otto isn't remotely option 1 in their offense and he shouldn't be. But he was open with the clock winding down and Wall wasn't even looking to pass. On a related note, a ten point lead for that team means little. Did you see how quickly they coughed up leads? And it's not because the Raptors are an offensive juggernaut. And the hot hand was Otto??
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 26, 2015 18:20:38 GMT -5
You're up 10 in the 4th and you're the franchise player you can take at least one bad shot, imo. He was much more concerned with milking the clock than actually scoring. Run the clock. That's fine. But get a shot or, at a minimum, feed the hot hand. Otto isn't remotely option 1 in their offense and he shouldn't be. But he was open with the clock winding down and Wall wasn't even looking to pass. On a related note, a ten point lead for that team means little. Did you see how quickly they coughed up leads? And it's not because the Raptors are an offensive juggernaut. It's csllled the nature of the NBA. Sure they made it interesting, but don't act like a 10 point lead in the last 2-3 is insignificant. It's not. That's why you see John taking a 30 footer. They were up so much they weren't about to realistically lose.
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 26, 2015 18:23:07 GMT -5
Are you seriously trying to criticize John Wall's court vision? The dude is a wunderkind at the point and an all-world talent. Just stop now before you embarrass yourself further tas. I like you but you're wrong here. Now, direct those comments to Ramon sessions and you have someone to criticize. I find him missing open shooters all over the floor when he is in the game. But don't try to cut down Wall. Just don't. Kid is phenomenal. When did I criticize his court vision? I said that he makes some bad decisions that a player of his caliber shouldn't make and, on that one play in particular, he took a horrible shot when there was an open shooter available to him. I also never said he wasn't a great player or an elite guard. Since when are people so touchy in the off-season? Jeez. You criticized him for not giving (or seeing) Otto the ball when he was open on the possession you're complaining about. That has to do with his court vision.....
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 26, 2015 18:27:51 GMT -5
Are you seriously trying to criticize John Wall's court vision? The dude is a wunderkind at the point and an all-world talent. Just stop now before you embarrass yourself further tas. I like you but you're wrong here. Now, direct those comments to Ramon sessions and you have someone to criticize. I find him missing open shooters all over the floor when he is in the game. But don't try to cut down Wall. Just don't. Kid is phenomenal. When did I criticize his court vision? I said that he makes some bad decisions that a player of his caliber shouldn't make and, on that one play in particular, he took a horrible shot when there was an open shooter available to him. I also never said he wasn't a great player or an elite guard. Since when are people so touchy in the off-season? Jeez. It's that you have no basis for your position. People on this thread have provided stats about how efficient John is at the end of games, but you choose to ignore them. You don't understand the Wizards offensive scheme either if you think John takes a number of bad shots. Also, I'd guess that you don't watch them that much and/or don't realize that the LeBrons and Stecp Curry's of the work take an equal number, if even more, of bad shots...
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 26, 2015 18:29:55 GMT -5
You mean in the two seasons since Otto last played at GU, we haven't had a player worthy of the the #3 pick? I agree. Why KC Hoya , why? Obviously, Otto was way better than anything we've had the last two years. I was only trying to remind everyone that he was more than a scorer and that he played great D and had an uncanny nose for the defensive rebound. Why the snarky comment? Because of the last sentence. It's an obvious statement. Almost as obvious a statement as saying Mikael was our leading revounder last season.....duh
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 26, 2015 18:31:48 GMT -5
So because he was the 3rd overall pick he should get guaranteed minutes (in what I consider his 1st real season)? Did Otto start his 1st season @ GU? Throughout this season you could actually see Otto's body change as he's gotten stronger and it was Rasul Butler who was getting those minutes the 1st half of the season and he was balling and then he hit the wall. Yes the 3rd pick should automatically get minutes always. Why pick someone 3rd if you don't think they contribute. You picked 3rd for a reason. You are devoid of talent. I mean I agree with where you are trying to come from, but do you really believe that every situation is created equal? I guess Paul Pierce and Rasual Butler must be completely devoid of talent then....
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 26, 2015 18:35:06 GMT -5
When did I criticize his court vision? I said that he makes some bad decisions that a player of his caliber shouldn't make and, on that one play in particular, he took a horrible shot when there was an open shooter available to him. I also never said he wasn't a great player or an elite guard. Since when are people so touchy in the off-season? Jeez. I'm with Tas. I think a lot of it is Whitman's lack of coaching. But the play to end regulation in game one where it was just him in isolation one on one and he settled for a jump shot was another example. I don't watch a lot of NBA, but in this series at least there have been several head scratching plays by Wall (Obviously in addition to plenty of brilliant ones). Wall ends every single quarter of basketball with an iso play to create a midrange jumper. He is working on shots that will help his development in the long haul....it's by design.
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Post by dense on Apr 26, 2015 18:47:00 GMT -5
Yes the 3rd pick should automatically get minutes always. Why pick someone 3rd if you don't think they contribute. You picked 3rd for a reason. You are devoid of talent. I mean I agree with where you are trying to come from, but do you really believe that every situation is created equal? I guess Paul Pierce and Rasual Butler must be completely devoid of talent then.... Well Pierce wasn't on the team when he got here. But I even thought he should have been playing over Webster last year as Ariza backup at the very least.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 26, 2015 19:12:57 GMT -5
I'm with Tas. I think a lot of it is Whitman's lack of coaching. But the play to end regulation in game one where it was just him in isolation one on one and he settled for a jump shot was another example. I don't watch a lot of NBA, but in this series at least there have been several head scratching plays by Wall (Obviously in addition to plenty of brilliant ones). Wall ends every single quarter of basketball with an iso play to create a midrange jumper. He is working on shots that will help his development in the long haul....it's by design. Well that seems like a terrible plan since mid range jump shots are the least efficient play in basketball. If he wants to work on his mid range shot he should do it 1) in practice and 2) early in the game. He shouldn't be doing with the game on the line to win the game. The play before he was able to get right to the rim. Instead of at least attempting the same thing he apparently according to you just did the same set play for a terrible shot he does every quarter?
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 26, 2015 20:33:45 GMT -5
I mean I agree with where you are trying to come from, but do you really believe that every situation is created equal? I guess Paul Pierce and Rasual Butler must be completely devoid of talent then.... Well Pierce wasn't on the team when he got here. But I even thought he should have been playing over Webster last year as Ariza backup at the very least. They picked him third for him to contribute, but he fell behind in the rotation between proven vets producing during a playoff push. Then circumstances changed when Paul came into town and the expectations shifted. That's what happened so it's not exactly fair to say that the draft situation on the team is similar to the current state of the team. They are no longer devoid of talent.
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 26, 2015 20:35:44 GMT -5
Wall ends every single quarter of basketball with an iso play to create a midrange jumper. He is working on shots that will help his development in the long haul....it's by design. Well that seems like a terrible plan since mid range jump shots are the least efficient play in basketball. If he wants to work on his mid range shot he should do it 1) in practice and 2) early in the game. He shouldn't be doing with the game on the line to win the game. The play before he was able to get right to the rim. Instead of at least attempting the same thing he apparently according to you just did the same set play for a terrible shot he does every quarter? Yeah but he already has every part of his game down and if he wants to become a superstar aka MVP he has to be able to score in those ways too a la Kobe and KD and CP3. And he worked on that facet in the right exact moment. The outcome of the game wasn't seriously in question but there was still enough (playoff) pressure for it to matter. The game was not on the line at that point.....you think he didn't plan to take a bad shot? Not that it wasn't inconseq but it wasn't that big of a deal, as evidenced by the outcome too....
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Post by tashoya on Apr 26, 2015 20:36:51 GMT -5
When did I criticize his court vision? I said that he makes some bad decisions that a player of his caliber shouldn't make and, on that one play in particular, he took a horrible shot when there was an open shooter available to him. I also never said he wasn't a great player or an elite guard. Since when are people so touchy in the off-season? Jeez. It's that you have no basis for your position. People on this thread have provided stats about how efficient John is at the end of games, but you choose to ignore them. You don't understand the Wizards offensive scheme either if you think John takes a number of bad shots. Also, I'd guess that you don't watch them that much and/or don't realize that the LeBrons and Stecp Curry's of the work take an equal number, if even more, of bad shots... We clearly have differing opinions. Of course, that doesn't make you right. And choose your comparisons more carefully. Wall isn't on the same level as a shooter as LeBron or (holy crap with this analogy) Curry. They can take more bad shots because they're better shooters. Wall taking a contested 34 footer because he dribbled down the clock is ridiculous regardless of the lead. Wall is a great player but he's not a good 3 point shooter right at the line much less 5 or so feet behind it. The lack of passing in that situation wasn't a lack of vision. It was that he didn't look. He's got elite vision. When he uses it. He didn't in that instance. Please continue to blow what I said out of all proportion. Most of the time, I find the little fights you pick comical so have at it. What else is there to do in the off-season?
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 26, 2015 20:52:22 GMT -5
It's that you have no basis for your position. People on this thread have provided stats about how efficient John is at the end of games, but you choose to ignore them. You don't understand the Wizards offensive scheme either if you think John takes a number of bad shots. Also, I'd guess that you don't watch them that much and/or don't realize that the LeBrons and Stecp Curry's of the work take an equal number, if even more, of bad shots... We clearly have differing opinions. Of course, that doesn't make you right. And choose your comparisons more carefully. Wall isn't on the same level as a shooter as LeBron or (holy crap with this analogy) Curry. They can take more bad shots because they're better shooters. Wall taking a contested 34 footer because he dribbled down the clock is ridiculous regardless of the lead. Wall is a great player but he's not a good 3 point shooter right at the line much less 5 or so feet behind it. The lack of passing in that situation wasn't a lack of vision. It was that he didn't look. He's got elite vision. When he uses it. He didn't in that instance. Please continue to blow what I said out of all proportion. Most of the time, I find the little fights you pick comical so have at it. What else is there to do in the off-season? I think you need to find a better definition of bad shot. It's relative. I'm not saying Steph takes tough shots that he was a better chance of making than John, I'm saying that he takes as many or more bad shots, shots that have the same r elative likelihood of Johns shots as going in because of the degree of difficulty relative to actual ability. And a contested 25 footer from a defender is a contested is the same for any player. Contested implies there is a certain degree of affect on the outcome of the shot, it's not desctiptive of the action of contesting. John shoots well from threr, percentage-wise, when he shoots with confidence. Usually regardless of distance. He tends to shoot poorly when he hesitates or questions the shot. In that situation he knew he was going to take the shot, so he was going to shoot as the shooter he really is (which is underrated, mostly in part because he gets better every game). The lack of passing was a case of a lack of floor vision, which is what you accused him of. Not general vision. He didn't look because he didn't have to, he's the franchise player that has put this team on his back all season, through better or for worse. I'm not picking fights, why does every poster have to cry that discussions are fights? I don't know you, there's no emotion involved. This is a message board, they aren't fights they are just a differing of opinions via a text medium, have some perspective. You say I'm blowing it out of proportion, but you basically criticized John for something that the stats directly refute and you still refuse to believe it. John takes less bad shots that the vast majority of high usage players in the league in late game situations. Those are facts.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 26, 2015 21:52:11 GMT -5
We clearly have differing opinions. Of course, that doesn't make you right. And choose your comparisons more carefully. Wall isn't on the same level as a shooter as LeBron or (holy crap with this analogy) Curry. They can take more bad shots because they're better shooters. Wall taking a contested 34 footer because he dribbled down the clock is ridiculous regardless of the lead. Wall is a great player but he's not a good 3 point shooter right at the line much less 5 or so feet behind it. The lack of passing in that situation wasn't a lack of vision. It was that he didn't look. He's got elite vision. When he uses it. He didn't in that instance. Please continue to blow what I said out of all proportion. Most of the time, I find the little fights you pick comical so have at it. What else is there to do in the off-season? I think you need to find a better definition of bad shot. It's relative. I'm not saying Steph takes tough shots that he was a better chance of making than John, I'm saying that he takes as many or more bad shots, shots that have the same r elative likelihood of Johns shots as going in because of the degree of difficulty relative to actual ability. And a contested 25 footer from a defender is a contested is the same for any player. Contested implies there is a certain degree of affect on the outcome of the shot, it's not desctiptive of the action of contesting. John shoots well from threr, percentage-wise, when he shoots with confidence. Usually regardless of distance. He tends to shoot poorly when he hesitates or questions the shot. In that situation he knew he was going to take the shot, so he was going to shoot as the shooter he really is (which is underrated, mostly in part because he gets better every game). The lack of passing was a case of a lack of floor vision, which is what you accused him of. Not general vision. He didn't look because he didn't have to, he's the franchise player that has put this team on his back all season, through better or for worse. I'm not picking fights, why does every poster have to cry that discussions are fights? I don't know you, there's no emotion involved. This is a message board, they aren't fights they are just a differing of opinions via a text medium, have some perspective. You say I'm blowing it out of proportion, but you basically criticized John for something that the stats directly refute and you still refuse to believe it. John takes less bad shots that the vast majority of high usage players in the league in late game situations. Those are facts. Better shooters make tougher shots because they're better shooters. The shot I referenced was a bad one. It's not really debatable. And he didn't look to pass on that possession. He was taking the shot regardless. It's not questioning his vision if he wasn't looking. You accuse other people of not listening to others in terms of points they're making. Pot, meet kettle. You're also the one that, on a consistent basis, either makes it or attempts to make it personal. You're correct in saying that you don't know me. As such, don't take shots at me without knowing thing one about me. I didn't do that. You did. But continue, undeterred, with your own narrative as you always do. I'll continue to find it (mostly) funny.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 26, 2015 21:56:53 GMT -5
Sub patterns and lineups were weird in the Wiz game tonight but they had it all going. That Beal shot was ridiculous. I felt like I was watching a team play against the Hoyas. I'm excited that Otto is on a playoff team that seems to be rolling at the right time. Solid D from Otto tonight. Some shots were hit in his face but it wasn't because of poor D. He worked his tail off getting around a crapload of picks and lots of grabbing. He still needs to pack on some muscle but he looks to be gaining confidence.
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