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Post by professorhoya on Jul 13, 2014 10:52:06 GMT -5
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Post by dense on Jul 13, 2014 11:06:25 GMT -5
Yea I take Pierce signing as an endorsement of Otto more than anything. They are lining up the chips for Durant. What position does Otto play? What position does Durant play? What you are saying is not a ringing endorsement for Otto. No Durant is a positionless player. He plays the majority of time at the 4 for OKC. Otto gets a ringing endorsement because they got a vet who isnt gonna cry about not getting 30mins a game over 82. Otto will get his time to shine and probably will start. Plus Durant is 2 years away. Its not like things can or won't change drastically. Durant coming to DC is not a certainty.
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Post by tashoya on Jul 13, 2014 11:14:15 GMT -5
What position does Otto play? What position does Durant play? What you are saying is not a ringing endorsement for Otto. No Durant is a positionless player. He plays the majority of time at the 4 for OKC. Otto gets a ringing endorsement because they got a vet who isnt gonna cry about not getting 30mins a game over 82. Otto will get his time to shine and probably will start. Plus Durant is 2 years away. Its not like things can or won't change drastically. Durant coming to DC is not a certainty. Agree completely. Durant possibly coming to DC has no effect on Otto for at least 2 years and likely very little to do with him after. And going 2 deep at a position isn't a slight toward anyone. It's a necessity.
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Post by rockhoya on Jul 13, 2014 11:37:40 GMT -5
So you're saying that he wasn't wasn't worth more than he got? NBA teams generally overpay for players, not underpay. What's your point?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jul 13, 2014 11:39:22 GMT -5
Players are very rarely worth more than they get in free agency.
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Post by daymondmyles on Jul 13, 2014 11:50:24 GMT -5
Not sure it's that bad for Otto - Pierce only averaged 28 minutes a game last year so if Otto plays like he did yesterday he should get plenty of time. Pierce is at the point in his career where he's not going to have the legs to be on every night - you could see that his last year in Boston and this past year in Brooklyn. hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2014/07/13/wizards-sign-pierce-think-durant-in-2016/This. Otto has a good opportunity for plenty of minutes. And since when should he be given a starting job? I actually think he could have a great career as a great 6th man. Regardless, if the Wiz play this right, they play Pierce about 22 mpg and Otto gets plenty of run especially since he can play multiple positions. Pierce may play at the 4 sometimes too as he did in Brooklyn. And all this without pressure on Otto to produce like Ariza last year. I think this is a good move for everybody.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 13, 2014 12:55:58 GMT -5
Right. By definition, when you sign someone in free agency, most times you are paying more than any other team was willing to pay.
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Post by deacon on Jul 13, 2014 13:07:54 GMT -5
NBA teams generally overpay for players, not underpay. What's your point? That since teams generally overpay for free agents, the idea that he was worth more than what he got - especially from a different team - is flawed in this particular case.
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Post by rockhoya on Jul 13, 2014 13:35:16 GMT -5
That since teams generally overpay for free agents, the idea that he was worth more than what he got - especially from a different team - is flawed in this particular case. What if he wanted to chase a ring in Houston or play with Dwight or whoever? Not to mention the fact that he chose the deal because of no state income tax. If you think they didn't get him for a good price - especially considering the other contracts handed out this past few across the NBA - then were just gonna have to agree to disagree.
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Post by deacon on Jul 13, 2014 13:58:18 GMT -5
That since teams generally overpay for free agents, the idea that he was worth more than what he got - especially from a different team - is flawed in this particular case. What if he wanted to chase a ring in Houston or play with Dwight or whoever? Not to mention the fact that he chose the deal because of no state income tax. If you think they didn't get him for a good price - especially considering the other contracts handed out this past few across the NBA - then were just gonna have to agree to disagree. Of course they got him for a good price, but that wasn't your original point. Your original point was that he was worth more on the open market and despite reports that he was seeking a deal between $10-12M per season, he got one worth $8M per season. What his motives were for going to Houston have nothing to do with what the market deemed his value as. After Bosh turned down the Rockets, they had the cap space to pay him more, but they didn't, period.
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Post by rockhoya on Jul 13, 2014 17:55:09 GMT -5
What if he wanted to chase a ring in Houston or play with Dwight or whoever? Not to mention the fact that he chose the deal because of no state income tax. If you think they didn't get him for a good price - especially considering the other contracts handed out this past few across the NBA - then were just gonna have to agree to disagree. Of course they got him for a good price, but that wasn't your original point. Your original point was that he was worth more on the open market and despite reports that he was seeking a deal between $10-12M per season, he got one worth $8M per season. What his motives were for going to Houston have nothing to do with what the market deemed his value as. After Bosh turned down the Rockets, they had the cap space to pay him more, but they didn't, period. Yeah cause they would just pay him more cause they have the money? That makes sense. How are you going to dismiss his motives when you don't even know what other teams offered him?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jul 13, 2014 18:16:30 GMT -5
That since teams generally overpay for free agents, the idea that he was worth more than what he got - especially from a different team - is flawed in this particular case. What if he wanted to chase a ring in Houston or play with Dwight or whoever? Not to mention the fact that he chose the deal because of no state income tax. If you think they didn't get him for a good price - especially considering the other contracts handed out this past few across the NBA - then were just gonna have to agree to disagree. Chase a ring in Houston? Then his judgment is seriously flawed.
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Post by deacon on Jul 13, 2014 19:07:22 GMT -5
Of course they got him for a good price, but that wasn't your original point. Your original point was that he was worth more on the open market and despite reports that he was seeking a deal between $10-12M per season, he got one worth $8M per season. What his motives were for going to Houston have nothing to do with what the market deemed his value as. After Bosh turned down the Rockets, they had the cap space to pay him more, but they didn't, period. Yeah cause they would just pay him more cause they have the money? That makes sense. How are you going to dismiss his motives when you don't even know what other teams offered him? They would've payed him more money if the free market deemed he was worth more and that's the whole point! Your original point was that he was worth more on the open market and obviously he wasn't because that's what the free market paid him. What is so hard to understand about that?
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Post by rockhoya on Jul 13, 2014 19:25:34 GMT -5
Yeah cause they would just pay him more cause they have the money? That makes sense. How are you going to dismiss his motives when you don't even know what other teams offered him? They would've payed him more money if the free market deemed he was worth more and that's the whole point! Your original point was that he was worth more on the open market and obviously he wasn't because that's what the free market paid him. What is so hard to understand about that? That literally is the definition of flawed logic. There's this thing called preference, which combines a multitude of factors. If I'm not mistaken there isn't a rule in place that dictates a free agent must go to the team that offers him the most money. The Sixers could've (and might've) tried to lure him, but just because they offer him more than the Rockets that doesn't mean he's automatically going to pick the Sixers. Lets just agree to disagree because you clearly just want to be argumentative.
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Post by deacon on Jul 13, 2014 19:55:37 GMT -5
They would've payed him more money if the free market deemed he was worth more and that's the whole point! Your original point was that he was worth more on the open market and obviously he wasn't because that's what the free market paid him. What is so hard to understand about that? That literally is the definition of flawed logic. There's this thing called preference, which combines a multitude of factors. If I'm not mistaken there isn't a rule in place that dictates a free agent must go to the team that offers him the most money. The Sixers could've (and might've) tried to lure him, but just because they offer him more than the Rockets that doesn't mean he's automatically going to pick the Sixers. Lets just agree to disagree because you clearly just want to be argumentative. Right on.
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Post by tashoya on Jul 13, 2014 20:01:13 GMT -5
Then again, if he had a higher offer, he could have gone back and asked for it to be matched which he would then have likely gotten if were actually worth more. I'd be very surprised, however, if there was a higher offer.
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Post by rockhoya on Jul 13, 2014 20:39:19 GMT -5
Then again, if he had a higher offer, he could have gone back and asked for it to be matched which he would then have likely gotten if were actually worth more. I'd be very surprised, however, if there was a higher offer. That's all contingent on how good his agent is.
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Post by tashoya on Jul 13, 2014 20:40:48 GMT -5
Then again, if he had a higher offer, he could have gone back and asked for it to be matched which he would then have likely gotten if were actually worth more. I'd be very surprised, however, if there was a higher offer. That's all contingent on how good his agent is. No it isn't.
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Post by rockhoya on Jul 13, 2014 20:57:54 GMT -5
That's all contingent on how good his agent is. No it isn't. That's why they're called contract negotiations. Teams have no obligation to disclose what they may discuss with a player to another team. You can't just say "Well the Sixers offered me $18 mil a year, please match that. Thank you". What is discussed during negotiations isn't public knowledge. I don't even see how this is debatable. If it were as simple as you suggest players would have no need for agents..
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jul 13, 2014 21:00:20 GMT -5
Austin had a good game shooting for Chicago. Scored 14 pts in 22 mins on 5-7 FGs, 4-6 from three.
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