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Post by Nevada Hoya on Apr 25, 2014 18:05:13 GMT -5
If Roy doesn't come out of his funk, the Pacers might not get by the first round.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 25, 2014 19:35:34 GMT -5
If Roy doesn't come out of his funk, the Pacers might not get by the first round. "Might not" is being kind.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 25, 2014 23:24:58 GMT -5
"Funk" is being kind. All-Star to bench-worthy in a REALLY short time. Not sure what the deal is. Infighting is one thing but, if the reports are true and Evan Turner and Lance Stephenson are a big part of the problem, they should both be reminded that they can and will be replaced if need be.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Apr 26, 2014 1:17:55 GMT -5
if otto wasn't a hoya, averaging less than 2 points per game as a #3 pick, you'd also call him a bust. gotta admit that this was a really bad season. i am confident otto will stick in the league, but if he continues to produce so little in the given minutes, he won't last there very long. with hibbert, he really needs to get off his ass from social medias and talking big in front of the reporters, and gets mind back into the game. kid is just not focused right now
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2014 7:18:58 GMT -5
if otto wasn't a hoya, averaging less than 2 points per game as a #3 pick, you'd also call him a bust. gotta admit that this was a really bad season. i am confident otto will stick in the league, but if he continues to produce so little in the given minutes, he won't last there very long. with hibbert, he really needs to get off his ass from social medias and talking big in front of the reporters, and gets mind back into the game. kid is just not focused right now Last year's draft was weak and this year's is strong so Otto had to go. I believe if the drafts were flipped he woulda stayed one more year to develop. As I said earlier in the season -- and some got on my case about it -- he's just not ready right now. He might be next year but he's got some ways to go..... Hibbert is a player I'll always respect for what he did at GU, but I've cringed at more than a few of his decisions as a pro. I get he's a playful guy with a good personality but I agree he's lost focus. Being the humble, hard-worker was a better look for him.....
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Post by dense on Apr 26, 2014 8:12:55 GMT -5
Otto didn't get a chance. Even when he played well he didn't get to play major minutes for another 5 games. The Wizards have done this stupidity from before see Rasheed Wallace. He didn't produce year 1 so trade him. Then the guy goes and has a near HOF career. The Wizards/ Bullets fall into this trap often. The current construction of this team isn't going to win a championship. If they resign Ariza as well as he is playing toa 4 year deal,they can kiss it goodbye. They should go after Greg Monroe with that money cause Nene is not reliable.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2014 8:34:25 GMT -5
Otto didn't get a chance. Even when he played well he didn't get to play major minutes for another 5 games. The Wizards have done this stupidity from before see Rasheed Wallace. He didn't produce year 1 so trade him. Then the guy goes and has a near HOF career. The Wizards/ Bullets fall into this trap often. The current construction of this team isn't going to win a championship. If they resign Ariza as well as he is playing toa 4 year deal,they can kiss it goodbye. They should go after Greg Monroe with that money cause Nene is not reliable. You're right, the Wizards arent the best at development but considering the state of the Eastern Conference this year, their overall talent level, and their depth at the SF position, I can't blame them for Otto getting limited minutes. You can't exactly say he wasn't given a chance-- He was hurt the first third of the season and then got some minutes where he looked so-so, albeit admittedly more comfortable the more he played. The fact remains though that he's a skinny kid that hasnt figured out the pace of the NBA yet. Aside from any team that's tanking this year, I don't think he'd have gotten a lot of minutes this year. I don't even mean this as an attack on Otto-- I think he'll beef up next year and find a consistent role in the rotation or get traded somewhere else where he can get minutes. But if you take out the relative strength of draft classes and look at his development in a vacuum, I think he woulda benefited from another year in college to get stronger if nothing else. (Getting some post-season success might have been good for his psyche too.) But life doesn't exist in those types of vacuums, and if he had waited a year, he almost certainly would not have been the 3rd player picked this season. That's why I can't be mad at him for leaving..... I still think there is some potential downside for coming out early as he did and diminishing your potential value for your second contract, but that's a separate discussion....
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Post by deacon on Apr 26, 2014 8:45:21 GMT -5
if otto wasn't a hoya, averaging less than 2 points per game as a #3 pick, you'd also call him a bust. gotta admit that this was a really bad season. i am confident otto will stick in the league, but if he continues to produce so little in the given minutes, he won't last there very long. with hibbert, he really needs to get off his ass from social medias and talking big in front of the reporters, and gets mind back into the game. kid is just not focused right now I don't know how someone can objectively look at Otto's rookie season and completely ignore the fact that he was injured prior to training camp, missed training camp and the first month of the season thereby not allowing him the opportunity to compete for minutes at the most loaded position on the team. Near the end of the season when he it extended minutes, he produced.
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Post by mfk24 on Apr 26, 2014 8:50:06 GMT -5
if otto wasn't a hoya, averaging less than 2 points per game as a #3 pick, you'd also call him a bust. gotta admit that this was a really bad season. i am confident otto will stick in the league, but if he continues to produce so little in the given minutes, he won't last there very long. with hibbert, he really needs to get off his ass from social medias and talking big in front of the reporters, and gets mind back into the game. kid is just not focused right now If Otto were playing a consistent 10-15mins a game, then I think you could make a case, but Whitman's been coaching for his job from the start. I think Otto has more DNPs than games played. That's why he went out and found a bunch of aging veterans with maybe a season or 2 left in their legs to fill needs. His goal has never been player development, or building for the future.
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Post by jorand on Apr 26, 2014 10:49:19 GMT -5
Otto didn't get a chance. Even when he played well he didn't get to play major minutes for another 5 games. The Wizards have done this stupidity from before see Rasheed Wallace. He didn't produce year 1 so trade him. Then the guy goes and has a near HOF career. The Wizards/ Bullets fall into this trap often. The current construction of this team isn't going to win a championship. If they resign Ariza as well as he is playing toa 4 year deal,they can kiss it goodbye. They should go after Greg Monroe with that money cause Nene is not reliable. To sign Monroe you'd have to let both Ariza AND Gortat go. I like Greg but not that much. Greg has some weaknesses in his game. Particularly on the defensive end.
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 26, 2014 11:08:45 GMT -5
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Post by chep3 on Apr 26, 2014 12:26:22 GMT -5
Calling someone a bust after one years is bonkers. The NBA is really hard. Many guys take a few years to adjust to the physical demands and the strategic demands of the game. Have no doubt that Otto will be a contributor, but not sure if it'll be next year or even the year after, and definitely not sure it'll be for the Wizards.
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Post by dense on Apr 26, 2014 14:38:19 GMT -5
Otto didn't get a chance. Even when he played well he didn't get to play major minutes for another 5 games. The Wizards have done this stupidity from before see Rasheed Wallace. He didn't produce year 1 so trade him. Then the guy goes and has a near HOF career. The Wizards/ Bullets fall into this trap often. The current construction of this team isn't going to win a championship. If they resign Ariza as well as he is playing toa 4 year deal,they can kiss it goodbye. They should go after Greg Monroe with that money cause Nene is not reliable. To sign Monroe you'd have to let both Ariza AND Gortat go. I like Greg but not that much. Greg has some weaknesses in his game. Particularly on the defensive end. Id keep gortat and let ariza and nene go. But the wizards think they are on the brink and hearing the talking heads in this town they think so too. Which shows the utter lack of basketball knowledge they have because they havent studied playoff basketball close because it hasn't been here. This team is no different then the Areneas/Butler/Jamison version. They can compete but they will never win. You spend a 3rd pick on Otto then go oh he isn't ready let's ship him. It's insane. Rip Hamilton wasn't a #1 so they let him go rather than get pieces. Sheed didnt get great minutes because of Webber and Howard so they traded him. It's like watching the literal definition of insanity.
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Post by jorand on Apr 26, 2014 15:20:40 GMT -5
To sign Monroe you'd have to let both Ariza AND Gortat go. I like Greg but not that much. Greg has some weaknesses in his game. Particularly on the defensive end. Id keep gortat and let ariza and nene go. But the wizards think they are on the brink and hearing the talking heads in this town they think so too. Which shows the utter lack of basketball knowledge they have because they havent studied playoff basketball close because it hasn't been here. This team is no different then the Areneas/Butler/Jamison version. They can compete but they will never win. You spend a 3rd pick on Otto then go oh he isn't ready let's ship him. It's insane. Rip Hamilton wasn't a #1 so they let him go rather than get pieces. Sheed didnt get great minutes because of Webber and Howard so they traded him. It's like watching the literal definition of insanity. Who's talking about shipping Otto? The Wizards (from various reports) are very high on his long-term potential. And as for getting rid of Nene....how? It's not like he's a FA. Still has two more years left on his deal.
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Post by dense on Apr 26, 2014 19:51:24 GMT -5
Id keep gortat and let ariza and nene go. But the wizards think they are on the brink and hearing the talking heads in this town they think so too. Which shows the utter lack of basketball knowledge they have because they havent studied playoff basketball close because it hasn't been here. This team is no different then the Areneas/Butler/Jamison version. They can compete but they will never win. You spend a 3rd pick on Otto then go oh he isn't ready let's ship him. It's insane. Rip Hamilton wasn't a #1 so they let him go rather than get pieces. Sheed didnt get great minutes because of Webber and Howard so they traded him. It's like watching the literal definition of insanity. Who's talking about shipping Otto? The Wizards (from various reports) are very high on his long-term potential. And as for getting rid of Nene....how? It's not like he's a FA. Still has two more years left on his deal. Oh the chorus is out there in the fans and the press. If they resign Ariza, they would have too. They overpaid for Webster new deal. If Duncan retires I'm sure San Antiono might want Nene. The thing is it doesnt matter because the wizards would never make that bold of a move. They will resign both Gortat and Ariza and have the exact same team next year.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Apr 28, 2014 22:44:41 GMT -5
top seeded indiana pacers one loss away from being eliminated against 8th seeded atlanta
roy played another awful game. has to be the biggest drop-off of a production from midseason to end/post season i've seen since julian vaughn in his senior year
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Post by dense on Apr 28, 2014 23:15:46 GMT -5
top seeded indiana pacers one loss away from being eliminated against 8th seeded atlanta roy played another awful game. has to be the biggest drop-off of a production from midseason to end/post season i've seen since julian vaughn in his senior year Atlanta had their Nova moment in that game. Mike Scott had NBA jam heat check going on there. Havent seen a game flip so fast within 4minutes to be up 1 to down 17.
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