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Post by hoyazeke on Jun 3, 2015 13:25:12 GMT -5
Josh just isn't a hard worker. Bball came easily in HS but college and definitely the pros are about hard work. I just don't see that light bulb coming on. Josh has more natural talent in his pinkie than Stainbrook has total but I would bet that if one makes the league it would be Matt. Some people just can't physically force themselves to do hard work......
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wtop.com/ncaa-basketball/2015/02/life-through-hoops-chris-wrights-fight-for-his-dream/“I was fortunate enough to get an opportunity to go into a minicamp with the Spurs, and played really well there,” he explains. Wright signed with the Iowa Energy of the NBA Development League and averaged 15.5 points and 7 assists per game, earning his way to the NBADL All-Star Team. That opened the door for a shot at the big time. He was signed to a 10-day contract with the Dallas Mavericks. On March 15, 2013, less than a year after his diagnosis, he played 41 seconds against the Cleveland Cavaliers. He took one shot, and he made it. When Wright’s 10-day contract expired, it was not renewed. “There were NBA teams that were saying ‘We don’t want to take on that risk,’” he says about becoming a free agent again. But Wright is circumspect about the situation. He understands the hesitation teams might have about signing him. “It was tough, because if the shoe was on the other foot, I don’t know how I would respond,” he admits. “Nobody’s ever done this before. A lot of people didn’t know what to think.” Wright himself wasn’t sure what to expect. Mostly, he has been fine, his game progressing as he matures. But he still has MS, which means expecting the unexpected. “There are times when I don’t feel as good, times when I don’t feel good at all,” he says. ”Times where there will be physical limitations that I can’t control at all.” After playing in France last year, Wright returned to the D-League this season, but signed a contract with Italian club Victoria Libertas Pesaro in January. His story has resonated with local fans, and those struggling with similar illnesses often approach him to let him know what his perseverance means to them. “I just want to let them know that they can still live their dream and be active,” he says. “Never give up.” While Wright would love to return to the NBA, he is enjoying the ride for what it is right now — a chance to make a living following his dream, doing what he loves. “I’m not really worried about NBA — if it comes, it comes,” he says, content to let his play speak for his abilities and to any lingering doubt as to whether he can succeed despite his condition. “I think by me playing and playing at a high level, I’ve put most of that to bed.” Besides, he can’t worry about waiting. He’s got a game to play.
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 4, 2015 14:17:07 GMT -5
Josh just isn't a hard worker. Bball came easily in HS but college and definitely the pros are about hard work. I just don't see that light bulb coming on. Josh has more natural talent in his pinkie than Stainbrook has total but I would bet that if one makes the league it would be Matt. Some people just can't physically force themselves to do hard work...... I mean, if you didn't see a district difference between his junior year and senior year in terms of conditioning and effort then You probably weren't paying close enough attention. It's not like the improvements he did make didn't involve a degree of hard work
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Post by kchoya on Jun 4, 2015 16:51:07 GMT -5
Josh just isn't a hard worker. Bball came easily in HS but college and definitely the pros are about hard work. I just don't see that light bulb coming on. Josh has more natural talent in his pinkie than Stainbrook has total but I would bet that if one makes the league it would be Matt. Some people just can't physically force themselves to do hard work...... I mean, if you didn't see a district difference between his junior year and senior year in terms of conditioning and effort then You probably weren't paying close enough attention. It's not like the improvements he did make didn't involve a degree of hard work Sssshhhh! You're messing with the narrative!
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 4, 2015 17:07:27 GMT -5
I mean, if you didn't see a district difference between his junior year and senior year in terms of conditioning and effort then You probably weren't paying close enough attention. It's not like the improvements he did make didn't involve a degree of hard work Sssshhhh! You're messing with the narrative! Haha I'm not sayin he's a world beater, but cmon some people around here act like they're not human as well...
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Post by strummer8526 on Jun 4, 2015 17:22:24 GMT -5
Josh just isn't a hard worker. Bball came easily in HS but college and definitely the pros are about hard work. I just don't see that light bulb coming on. Josh has more natural talent in his pinkie than Stainbrook has total but I would bet that if one makes the league it would be Matt. Some people just can't physically force themselves to do hard work...... I mean, if you didn't see a district difference between his junior year and senior year in terms of conditioning and effort then You probably weren't paying close enough attention. It's not like the improvements he did make didn't involve a degree of hard work They may have involved a degree of effort, but they didn't end with a degree. And I think that's a real blemish on how I'll remember the guy. Had he finished out his time at Georgetown, I would think of him as a gifted but flawed basketball player who learned just a little too late what he needs to do to succeed. And I would hope that he could build on his college career to find success in the future. The fact that he essentially spit on a Georgetown diploma makes it hard for me to care that he managed to lose some weight his senior year. I also won't be excited to hear it if he manages to dupe another coach into thinking he's changed.
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Post by kchoya on Jun 4, 2015 18:58:09 GMT -5
I mean, if you didn't see a district difference between his junior year and senior year in terms of conditioning and effort then You probably weren't paying close enough attention. It's not like the improvements he did make didn't involve a degree of hard work They may have involved a degree of effort, but they didn't end with a degree. And I think that's a real blemish on how I'll remember the guy. Had he finished out his time at Georgetown, I would think of him as a gifted but flawed basketball player who learned just a little too late what he needs to do to succeed. And I would hope that he could build on his college career to find success in the future. The fact that he essentially spit on a Georgetown diploma makes it hard for me to care that he managed to lose some weight his senior year. I also won't be excited to hear it if he manages to dupe another coach into thinking he's changed. I thought we were talking about his production on the court.
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 4, 2015 20:36:57 GMT -5
I mean, if you didn't see a district difference between his junior year and senior year in terms of conditioning and effort then You probably weren't paying close enough attention. It's not like the improvements he did make didn't involve a degree of hard work They may have involved a degree of effort, but they didn't end with a degree. And I think that's a real blemish on how I'll remember the guy. Had he finished out his time at Georgetown, I would think of him as a gifted but flawed basketball player who learned just a little too late what he needs to do to succeed. And I would hope that he could build on his college career to find success in the future. The fact that he essentially spit on a Georgetown diploma makes it hard for me to care that he managed to lose some weight his senior year. I also won't be excited to hear it if he manages to dupe another coach into thinking he's changed. It didn't end with a degree because he flew home before the semester to work hard on his conditioning before pre-draft workouts....I'm not trying to say it's justified, but you're grasping at straws. Nobody said he's not going to finish up his degree, do you similarly fault Jeff and Greg too? Sure they had guaranteed money they were leaving for, but I'll never fault a guy for pursuing his dream, especially when the window is so small. Georgetown has been around a long time and it isn't going anywhere anytime soon...... You sound like you know the guy personally though. If you are, in fact, close enough to him to know whether the light bulb has actually gone on or not, then I take back everything I say, because obviously......oh wait, you don't know him.
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Post by strummer8526 on Jun 5, 2015 8:07:36 GMT -5
They may have involved a degree of effort, but they didn't end with a degree. And I think that's a real blemish on how I'll remember the guy. Had he finished out his time at Georgetown, I would think of him as a gifted but flawed basketball player who learned just a little too late what he needs to do to succeed. And I would hope that he could build on his college career to find success in the future. The fact that he essentially spit on a Georgetown diploma makes it hard for me to care that he managed to lose some weight his senior year. I also won't be excited to hear it if he manages to dupe another coach into thinking he's changed. It didn't end with a degree because he flew home before the semester to work hard on his conditioning before pre-draft workouts....I'm not trying to say it's justified, but you're grasping at straws. Nobody said he's not going to finish up his degree, do you similarly fault Jeff and Greg too? Sure they had guaranteed money they were leaving for, but I'll never fault a guy for pursuing his dream, especially when the window is so small. Georgetown has been around a long time and it isn't going anywhere anytime soon...... You sound like you know the guy personally though. If you are, in fact, close enough to him to know whether the light bulb has actually gone on or not, then I take back everything I say, because obviously......oh wait, you don't know him. Cool sarcasm. I love a good fakeout. For a second, you had me thinking maybe I do know him, and then BAM, you pointed out that I don't. Good stuff. How do you know "he flew home before the semester to work hard on his conditioning before pre-draft workouts"? In any event, the fact that III barely mentioned him at the banquet says a lot to me. III has stood by every player who has come and gone from the program. A terse "We wish him the best" suggests to me that Smith left on less-than-favorable terms. And I think that's lousy after the opportunities Georgetown gave him. Maybe he'll come back and graduate. Maybe he'll be one of those alums who stays close to the program. If so, then I'll change my opinion based on the facts known at the time. Until then, I know he wasn't willing to stick around for a month and a half to get a diploma that a lot of kids around the country would kill for.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Jun 5, 2015 8:24:02 GMT -5
It didn't end with a degree because he flew home before the semester to work hard on his conditioning before pre-draft workouts....I'm not trying to say it's justified, but you're grasping at straws. Nobody said he's not going to finish up his degree, do you similarly fault Jeff and Greg too? Sure they had guaranteed money they were leaving for, but I'll never fault a guy for pursuing his dream, especially when the window is so small. Georgetown has been around a long time and it isn't going anywhere anytime soon...... You sound like you know the guy personally though. If you are, in fact, close enough to him to know whether the light bulb has actually gone on or not, then I take back everything I say, because obviously......oh wait, you don't know him. Cool sarcasm. I love a good fakeout. For a second, you had me thinking maybe I do know him, and then BAM, you pointed out that I don't. Good stuff. How do you know "he flew home before the semester to work hard on his conditioning before pre-draft workouts"? In any event, the fact that III barely mentioned him at the banquet says a lot to me. III has stood by every player who has come and gone from the program. A terse "We wish him the best" suggests to me that Smith left on less-than-favorable terms. And I think that's lousy after the opportunities Georgetown gave him. Maybe he'll come back and graduate. Maybe he'll be one of those alums who stays close to the program. If so, then I'll change my opinion based on the facts known at the time. Until then, I know he wasn't willing to stick around for a month and a half to get a diploma that a lot of kids around the country would kill for. Yeah, I mean, gotta go with Strummer here. Rock, you're the man, but Smith is a bum. He was a risky gamble that didn't pay off. And, frankly, I didn't see all that much difference in his conditioning between his first and second year here. Obviously, he was academically ineligible for most of his junior year but don't forget he put up 24 points in his debut against Oregon in SoKo. I also agree with the poster or posters that observed that Smith looked to have put ON weight as last season progressed. He still became ineffective after a few minutes on the court. I wish him all the best and much success going forward, but I don't really see much solid ground on which to launch a fertile defense of his conduct over the past two-plus years.
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Post by kchoya on Jun 5, 2015 9:17:19 GMT -5
Cool sarcasm. I love a good fakeout. For a second, you had me thinking maybe I do know him, and then BAM, you pointed out that I don't. Good stuff. How do you know "he flew home before the semester to work hard on his conditioning before pre-draft workouts"? In any event, the fact that III barely mentioned him at the banquet says a lot to me. III has stood by every player who has come and gone from the program. A terse "We wish him the best" suggests to me that Smith left on less-than-favorable terms. And I think that's lousy after the opportunities Georgetown gave him. Maybe he'll come back and graduate. Maybe he'll be one of those alums who stays close to the program. If so, then I'll change my opinion based on the facts known at the time. Until then, I know he wasn't willing to stick around for a month and a half to get a diploma that a lot of kids around the country would kill for. Yeah, I mean, gotta go with Strummer here. Rock, you're the man, but Smith is a bum. He was a risky gamble that didn't pay off. And, frankly, I didn't see all that much difference in his conditioning between his first and second year here. Obviously, he was academically ineligible for most of his junior year but don't forget he put up 24 points in his debut against Oregon in SoKo. I also agree with the poster or posters that observed that Smith looked to have put ON weight as last season progressed. He still became ineffective after a few minutes on the court. I wish him all the best and much success going forward, but I don't really see much solid ground on which to launch a fertile defense of his conduct over the past two-plus years. I gotta go with Rock here. He looked in better shape his junior than he did at UCLA, and he looked better his senior year compared to his junior year. I don't know where this "he put on weight during the year" nonsense is coming from. He definitely didn't look to have gained weight during the season. What was the risk in bringing the kid in? Honest question - what was JT3 and GU risking? He certainly helped on the court. We won a NCAA tourney game for the only the second time in the past 6-7 years. People act like he was some cancer that destroyed the program.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Jun 5, 2015 9:32:03 GMT -5
Yeah, I mean, gotta go with Strummer here. Rock, you're the man, but Smith is a bum. He was a risky gamble that didn't pay off. And, frankly, I didn't see all that much difference in his conditioning between his first and second year here. Obviously, he was academically ineligible for most of his junior year but don't forget he put up 24 points in his debut against Oregon in SoKo. I also agree with the poster or posters that observed that Smith looked to have put ON weight as last season progressed. He still became ineffective after a few minutes on the court. I wish him all the best and much success going forward, but I don't really see much solid ground on which to launch a fertile defense of his conduct over the past two-plus years. I gotta go with Rock here. He looked in better shape his junior than he did at UCLA, and he looked better his senior year compared to his junior year. I don't know where this "he put on weight during the year" nonsense is coming from. He definitely didn't look to have gained weight during the season. What was the risk in bringing the kid in? Honest question - what was JT3 and GU risking? He certainly helped on the court. We won a NCAA tourney game for the only the second time in the past 6-7 years. People act like he was some cancer that destroyed the program. In my opinion, reputational risk - I agree that he didn't destroy the program and I obviously did not frame it as a zero sum game but the kid did embarrass the program months after joining it by failing to meet his academic obligations and left school as soon as the season ended which, I'd venture, isn't appreciated especially at a program and university like Georgetown. I'm not going to debate lbs with you since neither of us know definitively, but it was simply an observation that I noted (even before posters brought it up here) as the season progressed.
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Listening to his interview after his Lakers workout, it's clear he recognizes his biggest weakness (self-motivation). That's good. What's not good is that I think he's recognized that for a while but somehow has not been successful in channeling that into persistent work towards his goals. Perhaps schoolwork and a degree were not really goals, and his admission that "I didn't go to class" tells you most of why he didn't reach those academic targets. I get strummer's angst about opportunity lost and hope the light bulb goes on enough that some day Joshua does reach the goal of a degree. As countless other guys who have gone through the program could tell him, 10 or 20 years later you'll either have that degree that opens many doors, or regret that you didn't realize what a great opportunity you had to take advantage of while you were there. The bottom line is that if he wants to achieve his stated goal of a basketball career, Joshua is going to have to put in daily, consistent, hard work towards that. I can see how getting away from campus distractions to focus on that might be absolutely the right approach. I wish him good luck because by all accounts (and this is where I do know something about him through a relative) he is a good kid. Otherwise, speculation about his motives is pretty much just that.
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 5, 2015 10:47:07 GMT -5
It didn't end with a degree because he flew home before the semester to work hard on his conditioning before pre-draft workouts....I'm not trying to say it's justified, but you're grasping at straws. Nobody said he's not going to finish up his degree, do you similarly fault Jeff and Greg too? Sure they had guaranteed money they were leaving for, but I'll never fault a guy for pursuing his dream, especially when the window is so small. Georgetown has been around a long time and it isn't going anywhere anytime soon...... You sound like you know the guy personally though. If you are, in fact, close enough to him to know whether the light bulb has actually gone on or not, then I take back everything I say, because obviously......oh wait, you don't know him. Cool sarcasm. I love a good fakeout. For a second, you had me thinking maybe I do know him, and then BAM, you pointed out that I don't. Good stuff. How do you know "he flew home before the semester to work hard on his conditioning before pre-draft workouts"? In any event, the fact that III barely mentioned him at the banquet says a lot to me. III has stood by every player who has come and gone from the program. A terse "We wish him the best" suggests to me that Smith left on less-than-favorable terms. And I think that's lousy after the opportunities Georgetown gave him. Maybe he'll come back and graduate. Maybe he'll be one of those alums who stays close to the program. If so, then I'll change my opinion based on the facts known at the time. Until then, I know he wasn't willing to stick around for a month and a half to get a diploma that a lot of kids around the country would kill for. I know that because I cared enough to find it out before jumping to conclusion....I apologize if it wasn't common knowledge to you and therefore left holes in your argument. The fact that III barely mentioned him is because he wasn't available to attend, and why draw attention to someone who is absent when the focus of the banquet was to celebrate the accomplishments of the graduating seniors. How would that make sense? It was neither the time nor the place, nor are Josh's personal plans obligated to be communicated to the public. I just don't understand how you think ou can speak to the nature of III and Josh's relationship without knowing them, much less not having known that Josh wasn't at the banquet because he wasn't in DC and has deferred the completion of his degree to a future date. Nobody is saying he wasn't given chances, but you act as if you're in his head and know just how much he appreciates the opportunities he's been given in life. Newsflash, you don't. He's barely 22 you act as if you were perfect or had your whole life figured out at that age. Excuse me if I don't hastily jump to conclusions about the future of one of our former players' life plans, especially when I'm not one of his parents or a part on his conscience. Like I said, his window to play professionally is quickly closing, and GU is going nowhere. I'd bet a similar, if not larger, number of kids around the country would kill for the opportunity to play professional sports (I.e. follow their passions so that they can do what most makes them happy). Imposing your own value system on Josh, based off of little to no evidence of what his future plans may be, is kinda unfair imo
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Post by Filo on Jun 5, 2015 11:37:18 GMT -5
I can understand both sides of the Josh debate here. I would like to give the kid the benefit of the doubt, as well, but it's not coming easy to me because: 1. His history of failing to take advantage of opportunities and 2. the fact that he continued with 1. at GU and it does have implications outside of the impact on himself. For example, the program's APR is impacted by his failure to graduate. Further, the way he handled the end game is not exactly a good thing for GU's reputation. We joke and criticize one-and-dones at, say Kentucky, all the time. By leaving school to focus on getting in shape, what Josh did is not much different. Yeah, I know, not exactly the same since those guys are guaranteed jobs, while Josh is now working to secure himself a future. Nevertheless, I am not real thrilled with the way this was handled.
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