canissaxa
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Post by canissaxa on Jan 27, 2015 16:16:26 GMT -5
Moose has been balling since the Pistons pulled the plug on the Josh Smith experience. He's playing his way into a max or near max contract somewhere this offseason after rolling the dice by taking the qualifying offer over the summer. Not a lot of guys who can score in the paint like him as well as pass so well from the high post. I like Greg's game a lot and there's no doubt he's playing great, but when it comes to dollar values of contracts, offensively minded bigs that aren't plus rim defenders are pretty undervalued in the NBA right now. Makes you wonder if Olajuwon would have been worth the max back in the day (not saying Greg is on that level). I get the logic though. You can score points with any of the 5 players on the floor, but you can really only protect the rim--a key part of statistically-driven defense--with 2 of those players. Throw in the 3-point line and a sharpshooting wing or a drive-and-kick guard have more offensive upside than yours posts. Just a bummer for Greg with league trends right now (and why Hibbert is a no-brainer max value contract even with his offensive struggles).
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Post by nychoya3 on Jan 27, 2015 17:03:13 GMT -5
Wait Hakeem wasn't a rim defender? He's the all time leader in blocked shots since they started keeping track of the stat!
Anyway, yes in general I agree that Greg will be hurt a little bit because he isn't a rim defender as a five and he doesn't stretch the floor as a four. BUT he is a good positional defender who is improving in that regard, particularly when he can defend fives, and he stretches the floor by being a terrific passer from the high post. If he continues playing at his current level, he will be a marquee free agent big, particularly once Aldridge and Love and Gasol resign with their current teams. He's going to be very very highly paid.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 27, 2015 17:20:31 GMT -5
Moose has been balling since the Pistons pulled the plug on the Josh Smith experience. He's playing his way into a max or near max contract somewhere this offseason after rolling the dice by taking the qualifying offer over the summer. Not a lot of guys who can score in the paint like him as well as pass so well from the high post. I like Greg's game a lot and there's no doubt he's playing great, but when it comes to dollar values of contracts, offensively minded bigs that aren't plus rim defenders are pretty undervalued in the NBA right now. Makes you wonder if Olajuwon would have been worth the max back in the day (not saying Greg is on that level). I get the logic though. You can score points with any of the 5 players on the floor, but you can really only protect the rim--a key part of statistically-driven defense--with 2 of those players. Throw in the 3-point line and a sharpshooting wing or a drive-and-kick guard have more offensive upside than yours posts. Just a bummer for Greg with league trends right now (and why Hibbert is a no-brainer max value contract even with his offensive struggles). If Kevin Love can get the max then Monroe should be able to get max. Kevin Love has zero defense.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 27, 2015 18:09:06 GMT -5
There's about to be a ton of max players in the NBA with the new television contract. If Greg times it right, he should be fine.
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Post by Big Dog on Jan 27, 2015 18:14:34 GMT -5
Wait Hakeem wasn't a rim defender? He's the all time leader in blocked shots since they started keeping track of the stat! Anyway, yes in general I agree that Greg will be hurt a little bit because he isn't a rim defender as a five and he doesn't stretch the floor as a four. BUT he is a good positional defender who is improving in that regard, particularly when he can defend fives, and he stretches the floor by being a terrific passer from the high post. If he continues playing at his current level, he will be a marquee free agent big, particularly once Aldridge and Love and Gasol resign with their current teams. He's going to be very very highly paid. What evidence do we have for the idea that Greg is a good positional defender? Not attacking you, I'm honestly curious, because that is contrary to my understanding.
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Post by nychoya3 on Jan 28, 2015 9:54:24 GMT -5
Okay, "good" was probably an overstatement. He's not a great defender, but there was an article on ESPN a couple days ago about the Pistons and Greg which pointed out that his defensive metrics have improved and in particular that the stats say he has become an adept pick and roll defender. He also has quick hands and gets a good number of steals for a big, which helps to offset his poor shot blocking. Historically he has been much better at defending centers than power forwards, though for whatever reason that has been flipped this year. Might just be a statistical quirk.
So anyway, I think he's closer to average as a defender, which is a significant improvement.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 28, 2015 10:55:34 GMT -5
Okay, "good" was probably an overstatement. He's not a great defender, but there was an article on ESPN a couple days ago about the Pistons and Greg which pointed out that his defensive metrics have improved and in particular that the stats say he has become an adept pick and roll defender. He also has quick hands and gets a good number of steals for a big, which helps to offset his poor shot blocking. Historically he has been much better at defending centers than power forwards, though for whatever reason that has been flipped this year. Might just be a statistical quirk. So anyway, I think he's closer to average as a defender, which is a significant improvement. Zach Lowe, who's a pretty good NBA writer, wrote this about why Monroe just barely missed his personal Eastern All-Star squad: "Monroe is playing the best all-around ball of his career and deserves stronger All-Star consideration than he appears to have received. He has outplayed Drummond for the balance of the season, and he’s working harder than ever on defense — at both big-man positions. When Detroit took off without Josh Smith, we all (justifiably) focused on the power of positioning three shooters around a pick-and-roll — something Stan Van Gundy can do only when he sits one of the Drummond-Monroe combination.
Detroit A.S. (After Smoove) has actually been at its best with both Drummond and Monroe on the floor, per NBA.com. Monroe is beasting in the post, dishing snappy interior passes, and making smart reads on defense. He’ll never be a rim protector, but opposing ball handlers are shooting just 38.5 percent on pick-and-rolls in which Monroe’s man is the screener — a strong number, per Synergy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 11:04:08 GMT -5
Otto started last night and had 12 and 4 on 5-9 shooting
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 29, 2015 0:50:08 GMT -5
Otto Porter 9 straight points! Cuts the lead to 4!
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Post by dense on Jan 29, 2015 3:38:26 GMT -5
Biggest take away from last night is Whitman is a terrible coach and the wiz won't go anywhere until he is gone. Happy for Otto that he is forcing his hand and making him play him. Butler is on the outs now because of a bunch of bad performances lately. But that shot Wall took shows this team is not prepared well.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 29, 2015 12:24:50 GMT -5
Greg had a 20 and 11 double double - although the Pistons were blown out by the Sixers.
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Post by rockhoya on Jan 29, 2015 12:47:27 GMT -5
Greg had a 20 and 11 double double - although the Pistons were blown out by the Sixers. Henry also had 10 and 6 in 19 mins
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Post by Cambridge on Jan 29, 2015 13:23:16 GMT -5
Biggest take away from last night is Whitman is a terrible coach and the wiz won't go anywhere until he is gone. Happy for Otto that he is forcing his hand and making him play him. Butler is on the outs now because of a bunch of bad performances lately. But that shot Wall took shows this team is not prepared well. There is a thread of texts between my brothers and I that goes back two years that is entirely about bad end of game decisions/plays drawn up by Wittman...
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Post by beenaround on Jan 29, 2015 14:58:46 GMT -5
Otto led the Wiz in scoring last night with 14 points and hit 3 threes!
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 29, 2015 17:33:52 GMT -5
Otto led the Wiz in scoring last night with 14 points and hit 3 threes! Wittman played Otto with more first teamers last night. Started the previous game. Perhaps we are seeing a change in tactics by Witt to give Otto more minutes with the starters? Otto pretty much brought them back in the 4th.
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Post by Hoya Rich on Jan 29, 2015 17:45:39 GMT -5
Thank God Otto is getting some good minutes now. I mean, I know Rasual Butler was hot for an extended stretch earlier this season, but the guy is like 52-years old. Let your young (hopefully) core player get some run with the starters and grow with the team.
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Post by beenaround on Jan 29, 2015 20:27:09 GMT -5
As someone pointed out earlier, some of the "blame" for Otto's sporadic PT lies with himself. The NBA is pretty much a run and gun league and/ or physical style of play. He waits for the game to "come to him" and rarely forces the action on offense. As a result, he can go several minutes without taking a shot, and rarely gets to the free throw line. The easiest way for him to score on the Wiz, is simply getting to the corner and shooting the three, after Wall drives down the lane. Hopefully as he hits more threes, Wall will trust him more with that shot. I do agree that Wittman is a mediocre coach, and has not given Otto enough time to gain some confidence.
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Post by jorand on Jan 29, 2015 23:01:46 GMT -5
As someone pointed out earlier, some of the "blame" for Otto's sporadic PT lies with himself. The NBA is pretty much a run and gun league and/ or physical style of play. He waits for the game to "come to him" and rarely forces the action on offense. As a result, he can go several minutes without taking a shot, and rarely gets to the free throw line. The easiest way for him to score on the Wiz, is simply getting to the corner and shooting the three, after Wall drives down the lane. Hopefully as he hits more threes, Wall will trust him more with that shot. I do agree that Wittman is a mediocre coach, and has not given Otto enough time to gain some confidence. Related to what you just posted. www.csnwashington.com/basketball-washington-wizards/talk/wizardstalk-mailbag-whats-wrong-gortat-bealIf he plays the way he has in the last two games, yes. But Porter's problem is he's not as assertive and that disrupts the offense with the second unit. They want him to shoot the ball, take his man off the dribble and create for others and when it's there for him be a bit selfish. He's skill-wise the best of the bunch off the bench to fill that role but doesn't always play that way. That's why Rasual Butler had jumped ahead of him in the rotation. He needs an injection of Butler's confidence and mental toughness.
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Post by beenaround on Jan 29, 2015 23:15:29 GMT -5
Agree for sure...If Otto had Rasual's lack of conscience...he'd be a star!
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Post by kchoya on Jan 30, 2015 16:51:46 GMT -5
As someone pointed out earlier, some of the "blame" for Otto's sporadic PT lies with himself. The NBA is pretty much a run and gun league and/ or physical style of play. He waits for the game to "come to him" and rarely forces the action on offense. As a result, he can go several minutes without taking a shot, and rarely gets to the free throw line. The easiest way for him to score on the Wiz, is simply getting to the corner and shooting the three, after Wall drives down the lane. Hopefully as he hits more threes, Wall will trust him more with that shot. I do agree that Wittman is a mediocre coach, and has not given Otto enough time to gain some confidence. Related to what you just posted. www.csnwashington.com/basketball-washington-wizards/talk/wizardstalk-mailbag-whats-wrong-gortat-bealIf he plays the way he has in the last two games, yes. But Porter's problem is he's not as assertive and that disrupts the offense with the second unit. They want him to shoot the ball, take his man off the dribble and create for others and when it's there for him be a bit selfish. He's skill-wise the best of the bunch off the bench to fill that role but doesn't always play that way. That's why Rasual Butler had jumped ahead of him in the rotation. He needs an injection of Butler's confidence and mental toughness.He has confidence and mental toughness. But avoiding AAU ball and then playing at GU, he's never been infected with that me-first, shoot the ball first, second, third and then think about passing attitude that most top players have.
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