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Post by beenaround on Jan 15, 2015 23:27:36 GMT -5
My two cents, as a Wiz season ticket holder (yes..I admit it). Otto has played well this year, but agree with Dense that his moving without the ball is not valued by Wittman. Further, I know he is bothered by Otto's unselfishness, which he calls "lack of aggression." Otto takes far few shots per minute then any other wings, and also does not put much pressure on the defense by driving. Instead, he cuts, passes, and shoots only when open. While this sounds good to me and probably a lot of you..it is not what WIttman wants. I know this , because a friend of mine is on the Wizards staff...in a low level position, but in daily contact with Wittman. Bottom Line..he has to become more of a gunner or at least a slasher with the ball, if he is going to play over journeyman Rasual Butler, Paul Pierce and now Webster.
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Post by SDHoya on Jan 15, 2015 23:57:14 GMT -5
Please let Otto somehow get to the Spurs.
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Post by jester on Jan 16, 2015 0:11:57 GMT -5
They really should have drafted kawahi Leonard that year instead of jan vesley. But I digest...
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Post by Cambridge on Jan 16, 2015 9:52:15 GMT -5
Whitman loves floor spacers over guys who can play d or move without the ball. He likes his wings to stand out and bomb 3's it's all pick and roll with Wall and the 4 or 5 man. Actually he prefers they shoot long twos...he doesn't believe that those are the worst shot in basketball, nevermind what your math or advance metrics has to say about it.
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Post by canissaxa on Jan 16, 2015 10:17:48 GMT -5
Whitman loves floor spacers over guys who can play d or move without the ball. He likes his wings to stand out and bomb 3's it's all pick and roll with Wall and the 4 or 5 man. Actually he prefers they shoot long twos...he doesn't believe that those are the worst shot in basketball, nevermind what your math or advance metrics has to say about it. He also believes in rebound margin as a meaningful statistic.
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Post by ryang on Jan 16, 2015 10:21:17 GMT -5
At a high level we have a passive coach. That plays passive basketball. And attracts passive players. You may win your fair share of college games with this. But in terms of our players in the nba - this is the cause, imo.
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Post by Locker on Jan 16, 2015 10:47:01 GMT -5
Please let Otto somehow get to the Spurs. I think you meant to say "the Hawks."
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Post by mfk24 on Jan 16, 2015 11:07:13 GMT -5
At a high level we have a passive coach. That plays passive basketball. And attracts passive players. You may win your fair share of college games with this. But in terms of our players in the nba - this is the cause, imo. I think there's being passive and there's being a heady player that doesn't take a lot bad shots. Passive IMO is giving up open opportunities to score. Nate Lubick was passive. I think the majority of our guys are the latter, they don't want to take bad shots. I think every team probably needs a Lance Stephenson type who never met a shot they didn't like but you also don't want a team full of them or your just not going to win games. So much of Stephenson's career has been about trying to reign him in unsuccessfully so k don't know whether it's easier to coach a guy to go out a get his than it is to tone that down. If Otto could consistently hit the wing or corner 3 he'd probably have earned more of Whitman's favor but that part of his game is still a work in progress. Whitman also keeps the kid on such a short leash that it's gotta be tough figuring out when to be aggressive and risk a missed shot or turnover and getting yanked, with doing the smart little things that are easy and only taking shots you know you can make.
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Post by Cambridge on Jan 16, 2015 11:18:07 GMT -5
At a high level we have a passive coach. That plays passive basketball. And attracts passive players. You may win your fair share of college games with this. But in terms of our players in the nba - this is the cause, imo. It's probably true that most people would deem anything not predicated on iso principles as "passive." On the otherhand, I'm not sure how it would be all that fair to characterize a motion offense that requires every player to actively read the defense, make timely cuts, and make intelligent passes or shots as "passive." I'm not saying we execute it well all the time, mind you, but it seems weird to call a system that -- if working properly -- requires everyone to be very active in every play "passive." That being said, I guess there is an argument that because the offense is perceived as "passive" by many outsiders certain more aggressive players are less interested in playing in the system. As to success in the NBA, I think the Spurs have something to say about the success of motion offenses at the highest level.
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Post by Cambridge on Jan 16, 2015 11:20:53 GMT -5
Please let Otto somehow get to the Spurs. I think you meant to say "the Hawks." Another good example of a motion based offense working well in the NBA.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 16, 2015 11:32:14 GMT -5
It's read and react, baby.
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Post by SDHoya on Jan 16, 2015 13:54:53 GMT -5
Please let Otto somehow get to the Spurs. I think you meant to say "the Hawks." Ha, I did not. The Hawks might not be a bad fit either, but I just look at the way the Kawhi (SDSU is my other team, so I follow his progress in the same way I do the Hoya alums) has blossomed with the Spurs, and think that if Otto had recieved that kind of support in that kind of system, he would be soooo much better. Kawhi was no sure thing coming out of college. He was a defense and rebounding specialist, with almost no offensive game outside of 5 feet. Otto does not have the D and rebouding that Kawhi has, but was much futher along offensively. Whenever I see a Wizards game, all I see Otto doing is standing in the corner, and I know he is not doing that because he wants to. Such a freakin' waste. Unfortunately, the Wiz are doing well so there ain't much pressure on Whitman to actually play to Otto's strengths (or play him at all).
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Post by jester on Jan 16, 2015 14:10:54 GMT -5
Hawks because the 17-yr Spurs assistant that oversaw Kawhi is the new Hawks coach who has been able to have much more success with the same players.
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Post by SDHoya on Jan 16, 2015 14:14:05 GMT -5
Hawks because the 17-yr Spurs assistant that oversaw Kawhi is the new Hawks coach who has been able to have much more success with the same players. Fair point.
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Post by rockhoya on Jan 16, 2015 17:19:24 GMT -5
At a high level we have a passive coach. That plays passive basketball. And attracts passive players. You may win your fair share of college games with this. But in terms of our players in the nba - this is the cause, imo. I think there's being passive and there's being a heady player that doesn't take a lot bad shots. Passive IMO is giving up open opportunities to score. Nate Lubick was passive. I think the majority of our guys are the latter, they don't want to take bad shots. I think every team probably needs a Lance Stephenson type who never met a shot they didn't like but you also don't want a team full of them or your just not going to win games. So much of Stephenson's career has been about trying to reign him in unsuccessfully so k don't know whether it's easier to coach a guy to go out a get his than it is to tone that down. If Otto could consistently hit the wing or corner 3 he'd probably have earned more of Whitman's favor but that part of his game is still a work in progress. Whitman also keeps the kid on such a short leash that it's gotta be tough figuring out when to be aggressive and risk a missed shot or turnover and getting yanked, with doing the smart little things that are easy and only taking shots you know you can make. He started the year shooting well from 3 and eventually Whitman just rewarded him by giving him inconsistent minutes
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Post by 757hoyafan on Jan 17, 2015 1:52:36 GMT -5
"He's learning how to play off other guys," Memphis coach Dave Joerger said of Green. "He's a good cutter, (coming) out of being a smart player and playing a good cutting system in college. That's kind of where he made his money tonight."
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 17, 2015 5:12:46 GMT -5
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Post by HoyaChris on Jan 17, 2015 7:34:40 GMT -5
Jeff is going to be very happy in Memphis - provided that Marc Gasol stays a Grizzly.
At least 4 of Jeff's baskets last night resulted directly from Gasol backdoor passes which may be four more of those passes than he received from Celtic bigs in the past 2 seasons. He cut to the basket more times than he would in any 10 game stretch with the Celtics.
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Post by Filo on Jan 17, 2015 11:31:48 GMT -5
These last 2 posts make me smile. So happy for Jeff. Hope it works out. Great start.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2015 11:52:50 GMT -5
RIP Vic Oladipo
Pretty sure Vic is going to hear about that this Summer..
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