tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Jul 13, 2014 21:09:41 GMT -5
That's why they're called contract negotiations. Teams have no obligation to disclose what they may discuss with a player to another team. You can't just say "Well the Sixers offered me $18 mil a year, please match that. Thank you". What is discussed during negotiations isn't public knowledge. I don't even see how this is debatable. If it were as simple as you suggest players would have no need for agents.. Umm... yes you can if they actually did offer that. At the very least, the agent can say that he has higher offers if the player, in fact, has higher offers and, at the least, make the Rockets aware of that and offer them a chance to counter. You know, negotiate. The negotiation doesn't only come from the team side. You don't need a good agent for that. You need one with a pulse. Regardless, you were the one arguing that he had a value higher than or commensurate with what he got. If that were the case, he'd have had multiple offers that were higher than what he took and the Rockets would have been aware that they were getting a good deal. Pretty much every sign points to that not being the case. Not to mention that he's not worth the contract he did get. Maybe you should send a resume to the Rockets because they agree with you. Don't, however, send one to the Wizards. Somehow, even they knew to let him go and they're not exactly known for good decisions.
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Post by rockhoya on Jul 13, 2014 21:15:43 GMT -5
That's why they're called contract negotiations. Teams have no obligation to disclose what they may discuss with a player to another team. You can't just say "Well the Sixers offered me $18 mil a year, please match that. Thank you". What is discussed during negotiations isn't public knowledge. I don't even see how this is debatable. If it were as simple as you suggest players would have no need for agents.. Umm... yes you can if they actually did offer that. At the very least, the agent can say that he has higher offers if the player, in fact, has higher offers and, at the least, make the Rockets aware of that and offer them a chance to counter. You know, negotiate. The negotiation doesn't only come from the team side. You don't need a good agent for that. You need one with a pulse. Regardless, you were the one arguing that he had a value higher than or commensurate with what he got. If that were the case, he'd have had multiple offers that were higher than what he took and the Rockets would have been aware that they were getting a good deal. Pretty much every sign points to that not being the case. Not to mention that he's not worth the contract he did get. Maybe you should send a resume to the Rockets because they agree with you. Don't, however, send one to the Wizards. Somehow, even they knew to let him go and they're not exactly known for good decisions. The whole point is you can say whatever you want. Agents aren't sworn to some boyscout honesty code. Contract negotiations aren't as black and white as you're trying to make them seem. No offense but you simply don't know what you're talking about.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Jul 13, 2014 21:18:19 GMT -5
As an addendum, from WaPo:
"According to people with knowledge of the Wizards’ thinking, the team was unwilling to give Ariza the annual eight-figure salary that he demanded and believed the Rockets would’ve matched an offer had they chosen to go up to $9 million."
He didn't even get that overpay from the Rockets that Washington was worried about and he has a deal with declining salary. I'm not sure what leg you think you have to stand on but that thing is really shaky. Only you and Ariza think he's worth 10 a year.
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Post by tashoya on Jul 13, 2014 21:19:46 GMT -5
Umm... yes you can if they actually did offer that. At the very least, the agent can say that he has higher offers if the player, in fact, has higher offers and, at the least, make the Rockets aware of that and offer them a chance to counter. You know, negotiate. The negotiation doesn't only come from the team side. You don't need a good agent for that. You need one with a pulse. Regardless, you were the one arguing that he had a value higher than or commensurate with what he got. If that were the case, he'd have had multiple offers that were higher than what he took and the Rockets would have been aware that they were getting a good deal. Pretty much every sign points to that not being the case. Not to mention that he's not worth the contract he did get. Maybe you should send a resume to the Rockets because they agree with you. Don't, however, send one to the Wizards. Somehow, even they knew to let him go and they're not exactly known for good decisions. The whole point is you can say whatever you want. Agents aren't sworn to some boyscout honesty code. Contract negotiations aren't as black and white as you're trying to make them seem. No offense but you simply don't know what you're talking about. No offense but agents know what the players are worth. So does management of teams. If he was worth more, he could have negotiated for more. He isn't and he didn't. Seems pretty black and white.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 14, 2014 3:17:53 GMT -5
Listen, this back and forth disagreement about who knows more about free agent contract negotiations of a non-Hoya NBA player is scintillating, but please take it to Pro & College or, better yet, offline if you want to continue to discuss. This thread is for posts about NBA Hoyas. Clear enough for you?
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Post by beenaround on Jul 14, 2014 7:33:00 GMT -5
Austin had a good game shooting for Chicago. Scored 14 pts in 22 mins on 5-7 FGs, 4-6 from three. That is great news. Would love to see him get his shot in the league.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jul 14, 2014 11:54:54 GMT -5
Otto scored 13 on 6-16 shooting, 5 rbs, 2 assists. I am going over to see him tomorrow.
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Post by beenaround on Jul 14, 2014 12:21:15 GMT -5
Watched both Wiz SL games, and remember how Otto looked last year in the game and a half he played. It is night and day. Its just summer league...but he is looks confident in all aspects of the game. His handle is tighter, he is running the break, with and without the ball, making good passes and good decisions, rebounding and getting open for his mid range game. He is also shooting well...last night most of the shots were on the mark,,,a couple rimmed out. Last year, he was completely lost on the court. I expect him to get at least 20 minutes per game this year, splitting time with Paul Pierce. Wanna see him silence all those calling him a bust.
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Post by lichoya68 on Jul 14, 2014 17:52:47 GMT -5
better in first game OTTOMATIC just kinda regular in second game hope he is as accurate AUTOMATIC tonite expect a nevada report go hoyas go OTTO . do it like the first game and OH MY
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Post by dreamhoya on Jul 14, 2014 20:17:40 GMT -5
Otto scored 13 on 6-16 shooting, 5 rbs, 2 assists. I am going over to see him tomorrow. looking at the game, seemed like a bunch of his missed shots bounced in and out. he looks good; good court awareness. he has something that ariza was not known for: good passing and mid-range game.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jul 15, 2014 20:16:38 GMT -5
A recap of today's games at the Thomas and Mack arena. Hoyas only! First game, I only saw the 2nd half of Minnesota vs Chicago. It was Markel vs Austin. The first one to practice for Minn was Markel. Markel got a lot of run at point. His shot was off, at least in the 2nd half (he scored 6 in the first half). He looked as if he knew what he was doing and made some good passes/assists. Austin had a quiet game, but he did score 6 (Markel outscored him by 2). At the end they were guarding each other and Austin dribble as the time ran out. Chicago won big.
The feature game was Washington vs Miami. It was a laughter in the first quarter as the Wizards built up a 28-6 lead with 2:42 to go. Rice scored 16 in the first quarter and Otto had 7, as they provided most of the offense. Otto, as usual, lets the game come to him, and nothing was forced in the first half. He sat for about six minutes in the 2nd quarter, and for the half he was 2-3 from 2 and 1-1 from 3. I didn't have him with a rb in the first half. In the 3rd quarter, he was 2-2 from 2 and 1-1 from 3, and he picked up a bunch of rebounds. He was more aggressive in the 4th quarter. He had a beautiful steal and almost made a circus play lay in, but it just rolled out. He was only 1-4 or 1-5 in the 4th quarter, but he became the go to guy. He was 3-4 from the foul line. However, he made some unfortunate TOs, and almost threw the game away in the last 11 seconds, as the Heat rallied from 22 down to make the game a nail bitter in the final minute.
Otto doesn't look like he gained any weight. He practiced his mid-range jumpers in the warmups. At the end he had 19 points, with Rice being high scorer at 24 (he looks for his shot whenever).
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 15, 2014 20:36:49 GMT -5
Thanks for the update, Nevada.
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Post by dreamhoya on Jul 15, 2014 20:46:54 GMT -5
yes on tv, otto looked good. he's not a bust. he's not even a marginal nba player. has some grant hill in him although he needs to drive to the basket more. had 19 points at about 50% shooting did little things. Yes, rice is ridiculous he was taking not too smart shots and forcing. don't know if he was given that directive. look for the big fella #44 to take on trevor booker's role.
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Post by professorhoya on Jul 15, 2014 22:56:34 GMT -5
Otto doesn't look like he gained any weight. He looks a little bigger to me. More muscle in his thighs and legs.
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Post by rockhoya on Jul 16, 2014 7:13:01 GMT -5
Otto doesn't look like he gained any weight. He looks a little bigger to me. More muscle in his thighs and legs. And upper body too, it's not super noticeable but you can definitely tell.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jul 16, 2014 12:15:54 GMT -5
You can see the players closer up on tv, so sitting back where I was it was not that noticeable.
On defense he was very active, trying to cut through screens and such. On only one play I remember the guy he was guarding scoring (and the switching man did not help much). He will play off his man sometimes, but he will be there when the action starts.
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Post by professorhoya on Jul 16, 2014 12:42:46 GMT -5
He looks a little bigger to me. More muscle in his thighs and legs. And upper body too, it's not super noticeable but you can definitely tell. This is Scottie Pippen his rookie year. Not the best resolution but Jordan rookie year. These guys just have really skinny builds but they added muscle to their wiry frame over the years. Otto is doing the same. With Jordan it was primarily tricep development.
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Post by deacon on Jul 16, 2014 16:00:30 GMT -5
Markel started this afternoon's game for the Timberwolves and was playing really well until he just rolled his ankle pretty bad driving to the cup.
Hope he's okay.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jul 17, 2014 23:50:23 GMT -5
Otto had 14 and 6 rbs tonight, as the Wizard remain undefeated and beat the Heat in the tournament round.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 18, 2014 0:53:16 GMT -5
Otto had 14 and 6 rbs tonight, as the Wizard remain undefeated and beat the Heat in the tournament round. Led everyone with a +18 too and once more shot the ball very well. Should look for his shot more though. But at least most like what they are seeing out of him. Meanwhile despite one somewhat decent early game Anthony Bennett continues to look like somewhat of a bust. Only those who place the ability to dunk over everything else still cling to the notion that he has tremendous upside.
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