hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 9, 2011 12:33:01 GMT -5
I think this deserves its own thread, not a piggyback on to the thread relating to settlement of the lockout.
I can't understand what Stern thinks he is accomplishing by blocking the Paul trade - and I write this as someone who thought the trade was idiotic for the Lakers. Dell Demps swung a fantastic deal for Paul - Odom, Scola, Martin and a first round pick for a guy you know is leaving? That might be the best deal ever for a free agent to be. So what if the player lands where he wants? The player is always going to have the right to tell the team attempting to acquire him that he has no plans to stay, and if that news is discouraging to the team who wants to trade for him, well, that's life, and no changes to the labor contract are going to change that, short of turning the clock back 40 years. Some owners in small markets complained? BFD. I guess it's better for Demps to trade Paul for 20 cents on the dollar or let him walk and get nothing. This may possibly be the single stupidist move by Stern as commissioner, and that's saying something.
As for the Lakers, I love Paul, but this move would have left them with only Derrick Character [??] at power forward, and no backup centers. And what would that leave them to offer for Dwight Howard? It's hard for me to believe that Bynum, the trade exemptions associated with the Paul deal and agreeing to take Turkoglu off of the Magic's hands would be sufficient to get them to agree to send Howard to the Lakers. I understand that Jim Buss was behind this brainstorm. I think Jerry had better turn the team over to someone who knows what he's doing. Jim should go back to training horses.
One last thing - I understand that Pau and Odom were upset to learn that they were almost traded. Poor babies. Don't they read the papers (or stories on line) at all? Particularly Lamar - he was offered with Bynum for KG years ago. But now his feelings are hurt? I think he's suffering from Kardashian Taint.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 9, 2011 12:35:40 GMT -5
Demps also got the Knicks first round pick in there.
If anyone ever wonders why some NBA franchises repeatedly suck (Cavs), it's because a lot of the small market teams thought this trade was a bad deal for the Hornets.
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Dec 9, 2011 13:26:27 GMT -5
Demps also got the Knicks first round pick in there. If anyone ever wonders why some NBA franchises repeatedly suck (Cavs), it's because a lot of the small market teams thought this trade was a bad deal for the Hornets. Agree. I hope the league comes to its senses and allows the Hornets to complete this. Why should we end up like Cleveland, with nothing? It's been clear for almost two years that Paul would leave. Though I hate to see it happen, I can't imagine us getting a better deal down the line. Small-market owners hurt New Orleans Hornets by blocking Chris Paul trade |
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Post by deacon on Dec 9, 2011 14:28:06 GMT -5
It would have been a great trade for both teams.
The Hornets get what could have potentially been five starters and the Lakers get back a 26-year old superstar without giving up their most prized asset in Andrew Bynum. That alone would've made it a great trade for the Lakers.
But yeah, Stern stepped in it big time.
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Post by RDF on Dec 9, 2011 14:40:08 GMT -5
Dan Gilbert is a moron and that email that was released confirmed all his detractors. Just because his idea of buildng around his "franchise player" was Antawn Jamison, Wally Szcerzbiack, Larry Hughes, etc.....and then lost his guy--doesn't mean it's unfair for other teams to actually acquire talent in return for their franchise guy.
Stern has no choice but to allow this trade to go through in end because if he doesn't, Hornets will have to keep Paul all year because minute he allows them to trade to another team--it shows conflict of interest, violates CBA, violates his role as Commissioner, and league loses all credibility.
Basically Lakers got punished for being proactive and not sitting back and watching team get older and certain people (Odom) be unmotivated about basketball as he and his husband Khloe (that isn't a typo) search for more publicity.
Hornets got punished for not being dumb asses like Cavs/Dan Gilbert.
Houston got punished for who knows what? Loss of Yao and Asian Market for NBA?
Stern has to go and league lost credibility with this. Hell Gasol for Kwame Brown should have been voided before this trade--Jerry West being former Laker player/ GM sending his former team an All Star for Kwame Brown. Nothing happens.
Awful.
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Post by deacon on Dec 9, 2011 14:45:35 GMT -5
Dan Gilbert is a moron and that email that was released confirmed all his detractors. Just because his idea of buildng around his "franchise player" was Antawn Jamison, Wally Szcerzbiack, Larry Hughes, etc.....and then lost his guy--doesn't mean it's unfair for other teams to actually acquire talent in return for their franchise guy. Stern has no choice but to allow this trade to go through in end because if he doesn't, Hornets will have to keep Paul all year because minute he allows them to trade to another team--it shows conflict of interest, violates CBA, violates his role as Commissioner, and league loses all credibility. Basically Lakers got punished for being proactive and not sitting back and watching team get older and certain people (Odom) be unmotivated about basketball as he and his husband Khloe (that isn't a typo) search for more publicity. Hornets got punished for not being dumb asses like Cavs/Dan Gilbert. Houston got punished for who knows what? Loss of Yao and Asian Market for NBA? Stern has to go and league lost credibility with this. Hell Gasol for Kwame Brown should have been voided before this trade--Jerry West being former Laker player/ GM sending his former team an All Star for Kwame Brown. Nothing happens. Awful. Agreed 100% |
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 9, 2011 21:40:51 GMT -5
Dan Gilbert is a moron and that email that was released confirmed all his detractors. Just because his idea of buildng around his "franchise player" was Antawn Jamison, Wally Szcerzbiack, Larry Hughes, etc.....and then lost his guy--doesn't mean it's unfair for other teams to actually acquire talent in return for their franchise guy. Stern has no choice but to allow this trade to go through in end because if he doesn't, Hornets will have to keep Paul all year because minute he allows them to trade to another team--it shows conflict of interest, violates CBA, violates his role as Commissioner, and league loses all credibility. Basically Lakers got punished for being proactive and not sitting back and watching team get older and certain people (Odom) be unmotivated about basketball as he and his husband Khloe (that isn't a typo) search for more publicity. Hornets got punished for not being dumb asses like Cavs/Dan Gilbert. Houston got punished for who knows what? Loss of Yao and Asian Market for NBA? Stern has to go and league lost credibility with this. Hell Gasol for Kwame Brown should have been voided before this trade--Jerry West being former Laker player/ GM sending his former team an All Star for Kwame Brown. Nothing happens. Awful. To be fair to Odom, he was deserviedly 6th man of the year last year. Motivation may have been an issue for him from time to time, but I thought last season was his best as a Laker. Also, I don't believe the Logo swung the Gasol deal - I think West had already left Memphis by then, and Wallace made the deal for the Grizzlies. RDF, you are surely thinking of the KG deal, where Crybaby McHale insisted on trading KG to his beloved Celtics for one good player and a bunch of garbage, even though a clearly better offer was on the table. ;D It's also interesting to see that the scribes appear to be unanimously blasting Stern. I wonder if he'll backtrack. |
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Post by hoyainspirit on Dec 13, 2011 9:37:16 GMT -5
Another view of Stern's nixing of the Paul - Lakers trade. David Stern Is the Owner the Hornets DeserveEXCERPT:If you will allow this writer a moment of hyperbole, the New Orleans Hornets would have been better off amnestying Chris Paul than accepting the proposed three-team trade that would have sent Paul to the Lakers. Stern was absolutely right in killing that deal as interim owner of the Hornets. I know, I know, three quasi-stars, a backup point guard, and a shoddy first round pick in a situation in which Dell Demps had no leverage is akin to squeezing water from stone. But here’s the thing, in the NBA you want to be either 1.) really good, b.) have the opportunity to become really good, or c.) bad enough to get a draft pick that can give you the chance to be really good. In acquiring Lamar Odom, Luis Scola, Kevin Martin, and Goran Dragic the Hornets roster met none of the criteria above. For a small market team there is no hell worse than being maxed out in that 7-10th seed limbo, and with that trade the Hornets would have been competitive, but stuck in the same mediocrity that has permeated the franchise since it chased bad contract after bad contract in trying to build around Chris Paul. Only they would have lacked a superstar in Chris Paul. |
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