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Post by TC on Nov 30, 2011 10:25:13 GMT -5
Not defending him, but what were people really expecting him to say or act? He's not going to change his mannerisms, but he at least tried to tone down his words and didn't make any stupid unequivocal statements. The man has never had a "serious face" in his life. How about any amount of regret for attacking the victims? Or any amount of sensitivity towards them? The tone he took was pretty much that he was going to be exhonerated at the end of all of this.
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Nov 30, 2011 10:33:07 GMT -5
Should he have regret for attacking the victims and should he have any sensitivity towards them? Yes. Even if he does (which is debatable at this point), was he ever going to say or show that at a post-game presser? No.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Nov 30, 2011 10:44:10 GMT -5
That presser was a disgrace - walking in wise-cracking? are you Editeding kidding me? ALL EGO, no CONSCIENCE - just what we have thought was wrong with your program for years, but this is far more serious than basketball and your answer is to crack jokes. sick. "i have zero say in who is hired fired assigned" ? are you joking again? are we supposed to believe that someone else picks your assistants? you are so full of yourself Mr boeheim that you are utterly incapable of seeing outside your myopia, "all i get to do is call the plays" - it's like you want the sympathy A exCuse fan in my office highlighted that as the shining moment of the presser. "I can only control what happens on the court." Total denial. I immediately labeled this the "Devendorf philosophy." If all you are in charge of is what happens on the court, then how do you recruit? It just magically happens?
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Post by TBird41 on Nov 30, 2011 10:47:20 GMT -5
That presser was a disgrace - walking in wise-cracking? are you Editeding kidding me? ALL EGO, no CONSCIENCE - just what we have thought was wrong with your program for years, but this is far more serious than basketball and your answer is to crack jokes. sick. "i have zero say in who is hired fired assigned" ? are you joking again? are we supposed to believe that someone else picks your assistants? you are so full of yourself Mr boeheim that you are utterly incapable of seeing outside your myopia, "all i get to do is call the plays" - it's like you want the sympathy A exCuse fan in my office highlighted that as the shining moment of the presser. "I can only control what happens on the court." Total denial. I immediately labeled this the "Devendorf philosophy." If all you are in charge of is what happens on the court, then how do you recruit? It just magically happens? Also, if that's true, how do you make sure your players stay eligible?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 30, 2011 10:55:50 GMT -5
Should he have regret for attacking the victims and should he have any sensitivity towards them? Yes. Even if he does (which is debatable at this point), was he ever going to say or show that at a post-game presser? No. Edited. Try this again with some more appropriate language.--Admin
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Post by TC on Nov 30, 2011 11:12:09 GMT -5
Should he have regret for attacking the victims and should he have any sensitivity towards them? Yes. Even if he does (which is debatable at this point), was he ever going to say or show that at a post-game presser? No. Why not? He was asked point blank about it by Forde.
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Post by hoopsmccan on Nov 30, 2011 11:23:37 GMT -5
A exCuse fan in my office highlighted that as the shining moment of the presser. "I can only control what happens on the court." Total denial. I immediately labeled this the "Devendorf philosophy." If all you are in charge of is what happens on the court, then how do you recruit? It just magically happens? Also, if that's true, how do you make sure your players stay eligible? His statement is standard protocol. Big time coaches that lord over their programs magically don't know once an issue comes up. hm
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Post by RDF on Nov 30, 2011 12:12:35 GMT -5
How does a Head Coach of any sport not know who is going on a recruiting trip/where they are going? This repeatedly happened and would not just show on expense report but is easily traced. Just ask hotel management, etc..about what they saw. I'm sure Fine ate, bought gas, paid for rentals, etc...so some trace of this extremely odd behavior would show up. In all my dealings with coaches, they are very insecure, paranoid people and run things with an iron fist, but like most dictators, when something bad happens, they love to minimize their knowledge/ability to reign over things. It's a pattern that takes place all of the time. It's "I'm God--do as I tell you" and then sh.. hits the fan and "I'm just a coach, don't know why you would expect me to know.....". Laughable pattern of behavior.
I'm loyal to all myfamily/ friends and co-workers/teammates, etc....but if one of them has a legal issue of serious nature, I'm not going to attack the accuser unless I'm 100% certain the accusations are false with every ounce of detail supporting my defense. Otherwise, you just lend support/hope that accusations are false and don't go public with any comments and certainly no attacks at accuser. Boeheim LIED and went on abusive attack to make a victim of sexual abuse cower and hide to protect a friend instead of abstaining from commenting. He showed a glimpse of how Coaches at Universities behave in that minute and then yesterday's phony garbage PC filled with horrendously awful attempts at humor, a lame "laugh track" with the moronic supporters clapping for him, etc...it was beyond embarrassment. He's gotta go.
BTW--now that Boeheim has concluded the first step of denial in Coaching 101 when trouble hits--he will soon turn to PAterno-ing his cause with a reminder that he's survived Cancer, or mention of Cancer support in the next week or so to show he's a "great guy". Joe Pa's cancer is like Jim Calhoun's leave of absence from media.
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Nov 30, 2011 12:22:04 GMT -5
Should he have regret for attacking the victims and should he have any sensitivity towards them? Yes. Even if he does (which is debatable at this point), was he ever going to say or show that at a post-game presser? No. Why not? He was asked point blank about it by Forde. Because its Boeheim. Thats why. Case-in-point why we don't like him. To understand his press conference yesterday, you have to understand Boeheim.
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Post by seaweed on Nov 30, 2011 12:27:34 GMT -5
we all know the ceo often doesn't know nearly as much as they should about how the company operates, but to flaunt and hide behind your ignorance is a disgrace here is a good break down of where is stands www.nesn.com/2011/11/jim-boeheim-job-secure-for-now-should-be-until-more-information-revealed.htmli disagree with the conclusion that his job should be safe, but then i think he should fall on his sword himself and get out with a shred of decency to the victims lb: just noticed the edit to your tag line - well said
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Post by KirbyKeger on Nov 30, 2011 12:53:15 GMT -5
Its now just sickening to me to watch ESPN cover this story.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Nov 30, 2011 13:52:43 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 30, 2011 15:44:20 GMT -5
All decent points, but none of those would have precluded taking the tape to the police. What's the excuse for not doing that?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 30, 2011 15:54:17 GMT -5
All decent points, but none of those would have precluded taking the tape to the police. What's the excuse for not doing that? Knowing that the Syracuse police, headed by a former player of Boeheim's, had already shrugged Davis off, I would not have blamed ESPN for doubting that the SPD would do anything with the tape, and even wondering whether the cops might mysteriously "lose" it - but all they had to do was make a copy to send the police, keep the original, and force the police to investigate further.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 30, 2011 17:48:40 GMT -5
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Post by seaweed on Nov 30, 2011 17:52:14 GMT -5
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Post by alleninxis on Nov 30, 2011 18:11:38 GMT -5
Uh, at some point..this is on your watch, JimBo.
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Post by TBird41 on Nov 30, 2011 18:14:16 GMT -5
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Post by seaweed on Nov 30, 2011 18:59:56 GMT -5
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Post by MassHoya on Nov 30, 2011 20:46:51 GMT -5
Was it that long ago that many on this Board were moaning about the end of the Hoyas Syracuse rivalry? Quite frankly, we should be happy they are going. The ethical differences between the two programs is stark.
I am not drinking the Koolaid here; Pops sure had his publicized problems in dealing with some players, some partially true, some greatly exaggerated. Whatever the issues were, though, it was nothing remotely close to allowing child abuse to occur, or if you believe Boeheim, being so self centered and focused on winning that he ignored the obvious signs. Not under his control? He is the program: the , the head of the program, the defacto symbol of the program, the representaive to the media and more importnatly, thousands of young fans, the same ages as the victims here. How dare he say this was not under his control.
The departure of Syracuse will be a moral and ethical improvement to Georgetown and the Big East. When all is said and done, we should take a stand, whether that means we play in the best or the worst conference, basketball wise. It will definitely be better without the Syracuse program.
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