NCAA fines PSU $60M, vacates all wins from 1998

[jgalt]

Penn State is royally screwed.

[RDF]

2 down-several more to come. Take the statue of Paterno down and it's time for the Big 10 to kick them out of the league and to shut down Penn State Athletics until they show they can understand the difference between what is important and what is for recreation. Unfortunately, many in State College found a man raping young boys to be of minor concern and a distraction on their self serving path to be the all time D-1 leader in CFB wins.

[SSHoya]

Apparently, it was the "humane" thing to do to protect Sandusky, not the kids.

[miracles87]

Jun 30, 2012 22:24:12 GMT -5 RDF said:

2 down-several more to come. Take the statue of Paterno down and it's time for the Big 10 to kick them out of the league and to shut down Penn State Athletics until they show they can understand the difference between what is important and what is for recreation. Unfortunately, many in State College found a man raping young boys to be of minor concern and a distraction on their self serving path to be the all time D-1 leader in CFB wins.

+1

I'm only human. I hope that, when all is revealed, if it ever is, something will emerge that indicates someone somewhere at Penn State, and it would be nice if it were Paterno, gave a Edited about the kids at some point in this saga. I am not holding my breath. For now, I am going to let RDF speak for me on this issue. To the extent I don't feel in my heart that what RDF is saying is justified, I am just fooling myself. Whatever greatness Joe Paterno enabled in his career is simply swept away by the evil he also apparently enabled. I guess its time to metaphorically load up much of my childhood in the back of the old pickup, and take it down to the dump. As I do, I can feel lucky that at least I had a childhood, unlike the children Penn State allowed to be savaged by Sandusky...

[Elvado]

Better to have a millstone tied aroind your neck...

[miracles87]

Jul 1, 2012 14:51:35 GMT -5 Elvado said:

Better to have a millstone tied aroind your neck...

Elvado, if that was directed towards me, I'm not sure what it means. Care to expound?

[Elvado]

Miracles:

That was directed squarely at Messrs. Sandusky, Paterno, Curley, Schultz , Spanier and anyone else who allowed this horror to go on.

If they think jail is rough, wait until the real justice is meted out.

[miracles87]

Thanks Elvado, sorry. For me, this is a painful, shameful and, obviously, contentious subject. And now? Paranoia!

[Nevada Hoya]

Elvado was using a line directly from Jesus in the Bible that I think speaks directly to anyone, who abuses children, especially priests and those, who are responsible for the care of children. It would be better that a millstone be tied around your neck than he should offend these little ones (Luke17:2).

[DanMcQ]

espn.go.com/ncf/story?storyId=8159195

Report: PSU disregarded safety

ESPN.com news services | July 12, 2012

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. -- Hall of Fame coach Joe Paterno and other senior officials "concealed critical facts" about Jerry Sandusky's child abuse because they were worried about bad publicity, according to an internal investigation into the scandal concluded.

The 267-page report released Thursday is the result of an eight-month inquiry by former FBI director Louis Freeh, hired by university trustees weeks after Sandusky was arrested in November to look into what has become one of sports' biggest scandals.

The report concluded that Paterno, president Graham Spanier, athletic director Tim Curley and vice president Gary Schultz "failed to protect against a child sexual predator harming children for over a decade."

"In order to avoid the consequences of bad publicity, the most powerful leaders at the university -- Spanier, Schultz, Paterno and Curley -- repeatedly concealed critical facts relating to Sandusky's child abuse," the report said.

The NCAA released a statement after the report came out Thursday morning.

"Like everyone else, we are reviewing the final report for the first time today," the statement read. "As President Emmert wrote in his Nov. 17 letter to Penn State President Rodney Erickson and reiterated this week, the university has four key questions, concerning compliance with institutional control and ethics policies, to which it now needs to respond. Penn State's response to the letter will inform our next steps, including whether or not to take further action. We expect Penn State's continued cooperation in our examination of these issues."

[vcjack]

Bring the hammer down. PSU should have to make the choice between no football for a couple of years or losing their accreditation.

[DFW HOYA]

Jul 12, 2012 9:10:36 GMT -5 vcjack said:

Bring the hammer down. PSU should have to make the choice between no football for a couple of years or losing their accreditation.

Accreditation has little or no relevance to this discussion. Civil and/or criminal matters may affect the Middle States review in 2015 but it is not going to decertify the entire breadth and depth of programs for a flagship university.

Nor should (as is often brought up on other boards) the NCAA death penalty apply. The death penalty (implemetned only five times, not just SMU football circa 1987) is for repeat offenders, of which PSU has zero major infractions since the NCAA has been keeping a database on this, dating back to 1953.

[vcjack]

Jul 12, 2012 9:37:26 GMT -5 DFW HOYA said:

Jul 12, 2012 9:10:36 GMT -5 vcjack said:

Bring the hammer down. PSU should have to make the choice between no football for a couple of years or losing their accreditation.

Accreditation has little or no relevance to this discussion. Civil and/or criminal matters may affect the Middle States review in 2015 but it is not going to decertify the entire breadth and depth of programs for a flagship university.

Nor should (as is often brought up on other boards) the NCAA death penalty apply. The death penalty (implemetned only five times, not just SMU football circa 1987) is for repeat offenders, of which PSU has zero major infractions since the NCAA has been keeping a database on this, dating back to 1953.

The department of education can effectively strip the accreditation (by denying federal student aid) of the institution for the blatant violation of the Clery Act. I doubt its going to happen but it is my opinion that the institution should feel the punishment.

[DFW HOYA]

The "institution" includes 24 campuses and over 95,000 students. No one is going to deny anyone student aid, certainly not if PA politicians get into the discussion.

[vcjack]

Jul 12, 2012 9:49:58 GMT -5 DFW HOYA said:

The "institution" includes 24 campuses and over 95,000 students. No one is going to deny anyone student aid, certainly not if PA politicians get into the discussion.

I don't disagree with you, but you're admitting that Penn State is in essence "too big to fail."

I haven't been following the Florida A&M hazing scandal too closely but I imagine it provides a good comparison. The offending program was fiercely punished and the administration cleaned house. That's what should happen to PSU.

[jgalt]

This problem is contained to a limited set of people (a very lager set, but a closed set). Those are the people who should be punished. As DFW said, there are nearly 100,000 students in the PSU system. I dont think there are any who are responsible for this, why punish them?

The university will feel it where it really hurts- their wallet. There will be civil suits in this and (though i am not a lawyer) i would imagine this report shows pretty clearly that the school it self is liable for this.

[vcjack]

Jul 12, 2012 10:27:07 GMT -5 jgalt said:

This problem is contained to a limited set of people (a very lager set, but a closed set). Those are the people who should be punished. As DFW said, there are nearly 100,000 students in the PSU system. I dont think there are any who are responsible for this, why punish them?

The university will feel it where it really hurts- their wallet. There will be civil suits in this and (though i am not a lawyer) i would imagine this report shows pretty clearly that the school it self is liable for this.

No, it would not be fair for all those innocent people to be punished, but that fact should not remove the threat of that punishment being used. The threat should remain to spur the administration to clean house and hit the football program hard.

[SFHoya99]

How about they pursue criminal and civil charges against the individuals responsible as a deterrent? I don't know, that's just me, but it seems shutting down Penn St. seems ridiculous when you can identify the individuals responsible.

[skyhoya]

Shutting down the football program up at pedophiles U would have some much needed economic impacts on central Pennsylvania. There are about 2000 athletes in 29 sports at Penn State. The budget was about $110 M of which football contributes over $100M. The university could not sustain a major athletic program without the football revenue. As alumni, we think we shoals follow the University of Chicago model and play no big time sports

The AG and Governor are really happy with PSU taking it on the chin. Eliminating athletics would also force the State to fund about $150M more in the university budget. A dozen kids have had their lives screwed up, that’s big-time. However, no one has killed themselves yet. Thank God, Penn State is not Norte Dame where students fall off high-lifts to their death trying to pay for their education.

For those of you who have never been near happy valley, Penn State is the largest employer in the five county area.

[jgalt]

Jul 12, 2012 10:31:12 GMT -5 vcjack said:

Jul 12, 2012 10:27:07 GMT -5 jgalt said:

This problem is contained to a limited set of people (a very lager set, but a closed set). Those are the people who should be punished. As DFW said, there are nearly 100,000 students in the PSU system. I dont think there are any who are responsible for this, why punish them?

The university will feel it where it really hurts- their wallet. There will be civil suits in this and (though i am not a lawyer) i would imagine this report shows pretty clearly that the school it self is liable for this.

No, it would not be fair for all those innocent people to be punished, but that fact should not remove the threat of that punishment being used. The threat should remain to spur the administration to clean house and hit the football program hard.

So innocent people shouldnt be punished but they should be threatened with punishment? The Freeh report names names. There is a limited set of people who are at fault here. Many of them have already had there careers destroyed and will soon face civil litigation. Those people will no longer be involved with the university.

I dont see the point of threatening to punish a group of people who have done nothing wrong accomplishes. Everyone involved was already under threat of very serious punishments. This case involves people who were active in there crimes, scheming to cover up and protect the football program (these are the AD, JoePa, etc), and it was people who were so taken up in the aura of the football program it blinded their ability to make rational moral judgements (these were the lower level employees who had little power other than telling their superiors). All of these people have shown a disregard for the threats of criminal and civil punishments that already existed. NEW threats of punishment, I doubt, will have any substantial threat.

Our laws dont serve to threaten, they serve to outline punishments for certain actions. Everyone involved will be punished. That is enough. They are the ones who have done wrong. Its wrong to punish those who have done nothing wrong.