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Post by strummer8526 on Oct 23, 2011 10:09:28 GMT -5
"Close" to a sellout? Wasnt attendance ~20% higher than capacity? Were there people standIng in the endzones? Yeah, and I watched the first half from up on the hill towards Yates along with about 10 other Hoya fans and car-loads of Colgate fans, who set up a makeshift little seating arrangement on the hill by the Yates parking lot. My friends and I tried to get into the game itself, but they were sending people to the Colgate side, and even that seemed to be full. Admittedly, I left at halftime (which I almost certainly would not have done if I actually had a seat inside at the game), but it was really fun to watch that team. The 60+ yard punt return was awesome, and our run game looked excellent. If we keep a product like that out on the field, I think support for the team could really grow. What the University does with that is anyone's guess. But making sure there are enough seats to fit the spectators would be a good start.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Oct 23, 2011 10:17:15 GMT -5
This win puts our Sagarin rating ahead of six division I-A schools: UAB, Memphis, Akron, Tulane, New Mexico, and Florida Atlantic. We are 168th, only 11 behind UNLV. And we are ahead of Nova! ;D
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Post by washingtonhoya on Oct 23, 2011 12:37:54 GMT -5
Hoyas d-line is really giving them hell. They're shifting right before the snap and Gate looks confused by it. MOORE INTERCEPTION! Good to have him back in there! Can't reiterate this enough. Don't know whether it was the pre-snap shift, Colgate's insistence to keep plugging away despite the interior run to Eachus not working, or both, but the Hoyas' defensive front shut down the ground game. Eachus ran the ball 19 times for only 38 yards. All the more impressive considering the Hoyas' track record against Colgate in the past: The WaPo preview blurb mentioned something to the effect that Colgate averaged 300+ yards on the ground in the last three games against the Hoyas. Meanwhile Logan and Durham were consistently picking up 5-10 yard carries by getting to the corner on off-tackle runs and outrunning DEs and OLBs. Really a treat to watch the offense clicking all game.
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 23, 2011 15:55:44 GMT -5
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Post by theexorcist on Oct 24, 2011 10:43:01 GMT -5
I'll be the first to say it.
If Georgetown wins out, they win the Patriot League and make the playoffs.
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Post by 98hoya on Oct 24, 2011 12:29:39 GMT -5
I'll be the first to say it. If Georgetown wins out, they win the Patriot League and make the playoffs. One win at a time, brother...I'll settle for a win this weekend at HC.
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Post by thebin on Oct 24, 2011 12:45:41 GMT -5
It should be pointed out that the two best teams in the PL this year by far are ahead of us on the schedule. It should take nothing away from the massive accomplishment of Saturday to notice that Colgate seems to be down this year. Their best win is a narrow one over a pretty pedestrian Cornell. Lehigh and Cross are the real contenders this year. Both on the road. The boys are going to have to reach down deep and astonish us again. Fordham at this point is a must win.
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Post by ahoyadad on Oct 24, 2011 12:50:21 GMT -5
It should be pointed out that the two best teams in the PL this year by far are ahead of us on the schedule. Takes nothing away from the massive accomplishment Saturday to notice that Colgate seems to be down this year. Their best win is a narrow one over a pretty bad Ivy. Lehigh and Cross are the real contenders this year. Both on the road. The boys are going to have to reach down deep and astonish us again. Fordham at this point is a must win. Actualy in terms of League standings and a possible League Title, Fordham is NOT a must win it is the 1 remaining game that we can afford to loose
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Post by H2Oya 05 on Oct 24, 2011 12:52:59 GMT -5
I'll be the first to say it. If Georgetown wins out, they win the Patriot League and make the playoffs. Sounds like if we win out we win a national championship.
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Post by thebin on Oct 24, 2011 13:29:54 GMT -5
It should be pointed out that the two best teams in the PL this year by far are ahead of us on the schedule. Takes nothing away from the massive accomplishment Saturday to notice that Colgate seems to be down this year. Their best win is a narrow one over a pretty bad Ivy. Lehigh and Cross are the real contenders this year. Both on the road. The boys are going to have to reach down deep and astonish us again. Fordham at this point is a must win. Actualy in terms of League standings and a possible League Title, Fordham is NOT a must win it is the 1 remaining game that we can afford to loose Are you sure about that? I am under the impression that althought Fordham is not eligible for the title themselves, their games are considered league games every bit as much to the other teams in the league. If they were not, how exactly are they still PL members at all? They wouldn't be, they'd just be booted out entirely. I say its a must win because frankly its the only thing close to a "should win" left on the sked and I won't feel good about this year if we can't hit .500 in league. Unless I'm mistaken, a W vs Fordham is every bit as necessary to PL title chances as the other two.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 24, 2011 13:41:04 GMT -5
Are you sure about that? I am under the impression that althought Fordham is not eligible for the title themselves, their games are considered league games every bit as much to the other teams in the league. If they were not, how exactly are they still PL members at all? They wouldn't be, they'd just be booted out entirely. Games against Fordham do not count in the league standings and they are not eligible for the PL's playoff bid. They are still in the league for scheduling purposes through the 2012 season, after which the league must either a) accept football scholarships and move to a 57-63 scholarship platform to accomodate them, b) reject scholarships, from which Fordham has to find another home, or conceivably c) status quo. In option (b), this would reduce the PL to six football schools, the NCAA minimum to recognize a I-AA conference. From the original agreement: " After a lengthy collaborative process, Fordham and the Patriot League have reached an agreement that was endorsed by the Patriot League Council of Presidents. As part of this agreement, Fordham will continue to be an associate member of the Patriot League in football. However, for the 2010, 2011 and 2012 seasons, the Rams will not be eligible for the Patriot League title or the League's automatic bid to the NCAA FCS Playoffs. All games played by Fordham against other Patriot League institutions will not count in the league standings. Fordham student-athletes will not be eligible for regular season or end-of-year league awards and student-athletes will not be included in cumulative league statistics and records during this same three-year period."www.fordhamsports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/060509aab.html
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Post by thebin on Oct 24, 2011 13:49:41 GMT -5
I stand corrected. The situation is more bizarre than I thought. The games vs Fordham are being counted in PL standings throughout the media from what I can see. (for example check PL standings on yahoo and they are counting the games v the Rams.) They might be forgiven for not knowing that a small IAA conference kicked essentially out a team without actually kicking them out.
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Post by ahoyadad on Oct 24, 2011 13:51:36 GMT -5
Actualy in terms of League standings and a possible League Title, Fordham is NOT a must win it is the 1 remaining game that we can afford to loose Are you sure about that? I am under the impression that althought Fordham is not eligible for the title themselves, their games are considered league games every bit as much to the other teams in the league. If they were not, how exactly are they still PL members at all? They wouldn't be, they'd just be booted out entirely. I say its a must win because frankly its the only thing close to a "should win" left on the sked and I won't feel good about this year if we can't hit .500 in league. Unless I'm mistaken, a W vs Fordham is every bit as necessary to PL title chances as the other two. Yes, I am sure about that, Fordham's game do NOT count, win or loose. My point wasn't to argue with you but to say that "In terms of the PL" wins against HC and LU are very important and FU does not matter. Of course we ALL want to WIN that game but it is NOT a must win.
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Oct 24, 2011 14:01:57 GMT -5
Fordham's football team (schollies or not) seems to be doing a great job this season of making sure they have no impact on other PL team's records, official or not!
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Oct 24, 2011 14:18:01 GMT -5
Yeah, Fordham is a very confusing case right now. They're offering scholarships but they're terrible. One would think that by offerring scholarships they'd get better and be crushing the rest of the patriot league teams, but that has not happened. Does anyone know why? Perhaps a good example for why the patriot league should not move to full scholarships. It doesn't seem to be improving the level of play at fordham.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Oct 25, 2011 10:28:12 GMT -5
Yeah, Fordham is a very confusing case right now. They're offering scholarships but they're terrible. One would think that by offerring scholarships they'd get better and be crushing the rest of the patriot league teams, but that has not happened. Does anyone know why? Perhaps a good example for why the patriot league should not move to full scholarships. It doesn't seem to be improving the level of play at fordham. I imagine the allure of the scholarship money is tempered by the fact that you are prohibited from winning your conference, making the FCS playoffs, or having your stats count toward conference records. I don't think Fordahm's situation is representative of where the other Patriot League teams would be if the entire conference went to full-scholarship programs.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 25, 2011 11:02:21 GMT -5
Yeah, Fordham is a very confusing case right now. They're offering scholarships but they're terrible. One would think that by offerring scholarships they'd get better and be crushing the rest of the patriot league teams, but that has not happened. Does anyone know why? Just an opinion, but it's because scholarship money hasn't changed the overall inequality of Patriot League recruiting. Sports in the Big East (not just basketball) recruit with the understanding that admissions decisions are made at the school level. If Georgetown wants to take Tyler Adams or Greg Whittington it's their choice, not the conference's. By contrast, the Patriot League artificially limits its schools to 10-12% of the high school senior pool that plays football AND has an SAT of roughly 1200 or more on a 1600 point scale...and even then can only sign a certain number by each SAT scale (example, three under 1250, three under 1300, etc.) That'a a narrow aisle at the recruiting supermarket. If you're a bright kid with a 4.7 40 or a good arm, you have a lot of options and playing at the MSF isn't always one of them. After these recruits have already been shopped by the BCS powers, then by Stanford, Duke, Vanderbilt, the academies, etc., and otherwise picked clean by Villanova, Richmond, W&M, etc., then the Ivy and PL follows, with the Ivy a first choice for 80% of them. Fordham is offering 100% grant but it is to the same recruit that is going to the Ivy/PL anyway, so the talent level is not materially better than it would be if they were signing kids away from Virginia Tech or Maryland. In addition, all recruiting lists are reviewed by the league for GPA and SAT and the Academic Index limits the number of recruits signed by SAT and GPA "bands". Why? Officially, that the PL only recruits "representative" studehts; fundamentally, the league doesn't trust the member schools. Tangentially, the PL wants to be associated with the Ivy League and if the Ivy does it this way, they follow. This is why the Ivy and Patriot can recruit with aid to relative parity (Georgetown excepted) but that the PL generally doesn't stay on the field with Colonial or Southern Conference teams. Those conferences can recruit the 80% of the senior class pool that doesn't go I-A, while the Patriot only looks at a fraction of that.
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Post by vcjack on Oct 25, 2011 11:05:33 GMT -5
Yeah, Fordham is a very confusing case right now. They're offering scholarships but they're terrible. One would think that by offerring scholarships they'd get better and be crushing the rest of the patriot league teams, but that has not happened. Does anyone know why? Perhaps a good example for why the patriot league should not move to full scholarships. It doesn't seem to be improving the level of play at fordham. I wonder if adding scholarships adds a new layer of paperwork and approvals in order to get students onto the field. I know at Howard (which has scholarships) they have immense trouble in getting all of the paperwork filled on time with a skeleton athletics staff so lots of players can't suit up for games. I have no idea what is going on at Fordham, but my guess is that confusion over eligibility and such is rampant at this early stage.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Oct 25, 2011 13:59:07 GMT -5
By contrast, the Patriot League artificially limits its schools to 10-12% of the high school senior pool that plays football AND has an SAT of roughly 1200 or more on a 1600 point scale...and even then can only sign a certain number by each SAT scale (example, three under 1250, three under 1300, etc.) That's a pretty tough standard to meet, particularly for athletes. I mean, isn't that higher than the standards for admitted non-athletes at some of these schools?
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Post by 98hoya on Oct 26, 2011 13:36:35 GMT -5
I've always been confused by this too. As I understand it (DFW, need your expertise here), in the P.L. every football team can only take a set # of players in a given SAT range. The higher the average SAT for the student-body as a whole, the more restrictive the range of student-athletes a football program at that school can recruit. Thus, Colgate, while a decent school academically, has a way lower avg. SAT score among its students and, as a result, is able to recruit more lower-SAT students than, say, Georgetown.
As a result, we are hamstrung by the higher competitiveness of our student-body, as a whole, because it limits the range of students the football team can acceptably sign.
DFW, is this it?
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