calhoya
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Post by calhoya on Jul 18, 2012 14:18:27 GMT -5
I really hope that there is a "pause" in the rivalry between the Hoyas and the Orange. The decision to leave the Big East, while profitable for the Orange, has been very disruptive. I would hate to see the Orange get the best of both worlds, while the schools left behind scramble to fill the void. BE basketball is not exactly going to be a desert landscape. Hoyas, Conn., Nova, Louisville, Marquette, ND, Memphis, and Temple are always strong. St. John's, USF, Cincinnati, Seton Hall and Providence are seemingly rising. Let's let the Orange move on and focus on who remains.
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Jul 18, 2012 14:43:06 GMT -5
The question is Cal what do we do with our nose after we cut it off our face? Are we pausing to make them miss us, and we'll sit it out until they call us desperate to make good?
I'd love to be able to really punish Cuse for doing this to the best college league ever. Not playing them doesn't do that more than it takes coin out of our pocket. It doesn't hurt them to do that as much as it would hurt us. (Cuse game at Verizon is a much bigger financial boon to us that to them.)
The only way to stick it to them is to keep playing them and beat them relentlessly.
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calhoya
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Post by calhoya on Jul 18, 2012 16:56:26 GMT -5
Punishment never entered my mind. My goal is to promote the reputation and stability of the Hoya program and the BE. It is simply a matter of competing brands and I do not think there is value to perpetuating the "old" when the Hoyas can and should move forward to develop new rivalries. I feel that Georgetown needs to enhance the brand of BE basketball. Playing the Orange will not accomplish that but rather emphasize the past. The ACC is the direct competitor of the BE. Why would we want to add to their strength of schedule of the perceived strength of the conference. Schedule out of conference games against Big 12 or Big 10 teams or develop West Coast rivalries to improve reruiting out here.
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Jul 18, 2012 17:22:44 GMT -5
I'm still an advocate of the 3 year rotating schedule - Verizon Center - Carrier Dome - MSG
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kghoya
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Post by kghoya on Jul 19, 2012 0:18:30 GMT -5
When was the last time Syracuse played a quality non conference opponent home/away over a stretch of seasons?
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 19, 2012 4:14:50 GMT -5
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Post by sleepy on Jul 19, 2012 8:27:57 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind playing a home and away series, but doubt it will happen.
Why in the world would we ever consent to playing what would be an away game at MSG.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Jul 19, 2012 8:37:48 GMT -5
So Pitt and cuse get away with only paying a $5 million extra penalty? I was hoping the punishment would be more severe.
As for playing them again, they'll never play away from NY out of conference. Let them rot, and let the rivalries with Memphis and Temple begin.
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kghoya
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Post by kghoya on Jul 19, 2012 9:29:52 GMT -5
You know how Georgetown plays Duke or Memphis in 4 year deals? Yeah Syracuse doesn't do that under the current coach.
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Jul 19, 2012 9:48:35 GMT -5
You know how Georgetown plays Duke or Memphis in 4 year deals? Yeah Syracuse doesn't do that under the current coach. No he doesn't. But of course another thing that coach hasn't had to do is NOT play Gtown, Nova, Uconn ever. JB has always said he was a BE guy and all indications are this move was made against his wishes. Plenty of reason to expect his non-con scheduling habits might change as a result. But it seems I was wrong about one of the pre-req's of continuing this rivalry. I assumed most hoya fans would want the chance to beat them every year and to keep one of our great athletic traditions with the rivalry. It seems most of you want to take the loss on this one and move on. I think that is an unfortunate but understandable emotional response that doesn't suit us well moving into an era where we need more guaranteed big ticket games at Verizon and not fewer...but it seems I don't have the votes so I'm going to drop this. For the love of god can we just beat the ever-lovin crap out of them twice this year? Please? |
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Post by vamosalaplaya on Jul 19, 2012 9:51:19 GMT -5
I'd like to see GU keep playing Cuse because it would be good for the Hoyas. But the economics of those December home games for Syracuse, plus what I would assume is their need to get to the Garden once a year for their NY fan base, leaves little room on their schedule for a DC visit, especially when they already will get there for Maryland.
The next few months will be interesting. I can't get over how much worse the ACC just got in football - West Virginia's loss clearly hurts BE football, but the Big East added some real depth with their new additions. I mean I could care less about college football but it matters.
I am very hopeful on the BE TV contract. Sports TV rights are just spiraling and the national footprint of the conference, even as they don't have the number one football school in alot of those markets - will appeal to NBC and drive up the price.
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skyhoya
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Post by skyhoya on Jul 19, 2012 10:30:03 GMT -5
Because DC is the center of our national government, we have a lot of alumnus of much major university living or visiting the area, many of which would like to see their alma mater play while they are here. The scalper seats in front of me have the opposition fans in them for every big game and they pay big bucks to sit there.
You all have seen the glow of orange or maze when the BE competition is in town. I think we should play home and away series with teams like Texas, UCLA, Duke and Kansas. That would give us two quality OO home and two OOC away games. We don’t generate any revenue on neutral site games or playing at the MSG , but we generate extra revenue when we sell out at home.
Could we do a long term deal with the CUSE? , probably not, but the spoiled CUSE fans in DC might want to.
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kghoya
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Post by kghoya on Jul 19, 2012 13:25:35 GMT -5
You know how Georgetown plays Duke or Memphis in 4 year deals? Yeah Syracuse doesn't do that under the current coach. No he doesn't. But of course another thing that coach hasn't had to do is NOT play Gtown, Nova, Uconn ever. JB has always said he was a BE guy and all indications are this move was made against his wishes. Plenty of reason to expect his non-con scheduling habits might change as a result. But it seems I was wrong about one of the pre-req's of continuing this rivalry. I assumed most hoya fans would want the chance to beat them every year and to keep one of our great athletic traditions with the rivalry. It seems most of you want to take the loss on this one and move on. I think that is an unfortunate but understandable emotional response that doesn't suit us well moving into an era where we need more guaranteed big ticket games at Verizon and not fewer...but it seems I don't have the votes so I'm going to drop this. For the love of god can we just beat the ever-lovin crap out of them twice this year? Please? I hope Georgetown continues to play Syracuse. Hell I've driven up to that God forsaken place a few times for this matchup. I just don't think it's going to happen when you consider the way Syracuse schedules and when you listen to what the people at Georgetown have said about the future. It's time for new rivalries. That's been their stance. Only thing that changes that is ESPN or CBS deciding that this is a game that they just have to have on their networks. |
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jul 19, 2012 21:08:45 GMT -5
Yeah I think you're confusing people being pessimistic and assuming the series will not continue and people's desire to see the series continue. I'm sure we'd all love for it to continue. We just acknowledge it's not likely to happen.
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Post by seaweed on Jul 20, 2012 9:50:43 GMT -5
Edited cuse, never want to see them again and we won't. memphis is a much more fun rival and we already have blood btw Temple. Edited cuse
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jul 20, 2012 10:24:13 GMT -5
Edited cuse, never want to see them again and we won't. memphis is a much more fun rival and we already have blood btw Temple. Edited cuse I disagree. The problem is that you cannot create a rivalry, especially when it is based on history, not geography (and even then, the two teams need to play for any real rivalry to occur). Right now, we have a great rivalry against Syracuse because of the history behind the match up and the emotional attachment fans have for the rivalry. The fact that both teams have been consistently pretty good over the last 30 years has really allowed the rivalry to thrive and develop. Georgetown has played Memphis several times in the last few years and while they have been good games, it just doesn't raise the same excitement level among fans as a Syracuse game. Could a rivalry develop with Temple or Memphis? Sure, but it's not just there yet. To see the difference in excitement, just go back to the message board posts last year and compare Syracuse threads to those against St. Johns, Memphis, or anybody else. Are people really going to get excited about our first game against Temple in the Big East? I don't think so. No doubt, the loss of the Georgetown-Syracuse rivalry (if it happens) is a bad thing for fans. |
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calhoya
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Post by calhoya on Jul 20, 2012 10:59:04 GMT -5
Agree completely that the loss of Syracuse is bad for fans--short term. However, long term Georgetown and the remainder of the Big East powerhouses need to take steps to enhance the conference and to develop new rivalries. Who was Georgetown's main rival prior to Syracuse? Few can even remember now. This is not about payback. I actually respect Boeheim for his stance against the departure from the BE. It's about economics and the ability to compete going forward with Syracuse and other ACC teams within the same general market. The Hoyas need to develop rivalries within the conference and use the OOC schedule to play strong teams from other conferences and areas of the country. If fan interest were the compelling determinant, Georgetown would and should play annually against GW and Maryland and possibly Virginia.
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skyhoya
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Post by skyhoya on Jul 20, 2012 11:01:45 GMT -5
Manley fieldhouse is offically closd.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jul 20, 2012 11:46:12 GMT -5
I would love to see the rivalry continue, but many of the younger Syracuse fans don't see us as their biggest rival, since they did not experience the 80's and 90's wars. My biggest concern would be that Syracuse and its money- hungry administrators would make sure they spin it so it looks like GU is practically begging Syracuse to continue the series, and that SU would be doing us a favor to keep playing us.
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Jul 20, 2012 11:49:49 GMT -5
I have a couple of Cuse interns who think of Nova as their biggest rival. I would have thought maybe Uconn but Nova?
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