jgalt
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Post by jgalt on May 27, 2012 12:25:32 GMT -5
There is no way the Big East gets more than the ACC, let alone close to the Big 12. Thats just not happening. But you dont have to get more that the ACC to make everyone happy. Just get more than the deal that was turned down last year. Then it means the Big East improved despite the losses.
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Post by jwp91 on May 27, 2012 15:01:34 GMT -5
There is no way the Big East gets more than the ACC, let alone close to the Big 12. Thats just not happening. But you dont have to get more that the ACC to make everyone happy. Just get more than the deal that was turned down last year. Then it means the Big East improved despite the losses. I disagree. Simply stated - there will be 3 bidders for the Big East (ESPN, NBC, and CBS). I believe the ACC was only speaking to ESPN. Lastly, the Big East is the only property available. All the other conferences are already signed. If you consider the scarcity + the multiple bidders, then it is possible for some interesting bidding to occur. |
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Post by kghoya on Jun 11, 2012 14:04:05 GMT -5
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Post by Yaboynyp on Jun 12, 2012 10:26:12 GMT -5
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Post by vamosalaplaya on Jun 12, 2012 16:12:44 GMT -5
Someone should start a thread with a wager on this one. I think the Big East buries the ACC TV contract. Every single macro trend in television - connected TV, online viewing, cord cutting - is making sports more and more valuable since the last round of TV deals. Fox and NBC are ready to bid against ESPN - and for networks like that the ancillary sports that the Big East bring to the table matter more as they have room to show them. NBC in particular needs a tent pole college property and this one is national. Finally the quality of the Big East basketball markets - NY, DC, Philly, Chicago, and then some - are so much higher than the basketball markets from these other conferences - that will help as well even given the disparity in football versus basketball in terms of programming value. Advertisers pay more to reach consumers in big markets.
The biggest issue is the game theory around whether an ESPN league steals existing members before the conference goes on the market.
If the existing footprint holds, Hoya fans will have a reason to make fun of Cuse alums - "Nice move - less money to play in a conference tournament in Charlotte" -
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Post by jgalt on Jun 12, 2012 17:42:49 GMT -5
Advertisers pay more to reach consumers in big markets. Yes, but the consumers in the big markets (which are in Big East territory) dont watch Big East football. They watch SEC, Big 12 and Big 10 football because that is where they went to school or are originally from. |
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jun 12, 2012 18:55:31 GMT -5
Advertisers pay more to reach consumers in big markets. Yes, but the consumers in the big markets (which are in Big East territory) dont watch Big East football. They watch SEC, Big 12 and Big 10 football because that is where they went to school or are originally from. But enough people watch these games to make them a valuable commodity. I think more people watch crappy BE football games than watch excellent BE basketball games. Football is that much more popular. |
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Post by skyhoya on Jun 12, 2012 19:00:32 GMT -5
yes, thursday night football and sometimes friday
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Post by jgalt on Jun 13, 2012 11:46:03 GMT -5
Yes, but the consumers in the big markets (which are in Big East territory) dont watch Big East football. They watch SEC, Big 12 and Big 10 football because that is where they went to school or are originally from. But enough people watch these games to make them a valuable commodity. I think more people watch crappy BE football games than watch excellent BE basketball games. Football is that much more popular. No doubt that BE Football is more watched than Basketball. But when it comes to a TV contract its all about relative to other conferences. So its BE football vs ACC football or Big 10 football (and now with Memphis SEC and SMU Big 12). As crappy as the ACC is at football (they arent really any better than the Big East), they are a more desirable TV property because people watch their games. FSU is one of the biggest draws for football on TV and their games against VT and Miami often have national interest. ESPN is also willing to pay more to keep the ACC because of Duke/UNC basketball; it is a series that gets people to watch their network. People know that Duke is on ESPN so they watch ESPN. (Of course there are personal and political relationships that make ESPN like the ACC more than the Big East, too, but we cant really do anything about that now.) Now what does that mean for the Big East? Well a while back I was promoting going with NBC Sports/NBC over ESPN for the same amount of money. Like I have said before, on NBC the Big East gets top billing and attention on their highlight shows. Right now, BE football needs to establish games of national interest. That means Boise needs to remain nationally relavent and a few other programs need to be consistently in the top 25 (hopefully those teams are SFU, SMU or Houston, and Rutgers/UConn from a market perspective). The Big East needs football games of national interest. Period. That will save the conference. It increases ticket revenues, increases program interest, and when it comes back up for renewal, increases the TV contract. NBC Sports is not a podunk back woods channel that no one has. It already has the two professional leagues seeing the most growth over the past decade (NHL and MLS) and will be showing most of the live Olympic coverage this summer (I am assuming because it is 24/7 unlike NBC and MSNBC). Its also cheaper for cable providers to carry NBC Sports than ESPN. A huge portion of your cable bill goes to ESPN networks. As viewership on NBC Sports rises, that increases competition in the sports channel market, applying downward pressure on the subscription chargers ESPN can charge to cable carriers. This will then decrease ESPN's ability to monopolize the market by throwing cash around. Look, I know that I am rambling, as I usually do, but the bottom line is that NBC Sports is an undervalued asset at the moment and after the new contract, the Big East is going to be an over valued asset*. To gain value the Big East needs to partner with an undervalued network like NBC Sports. If these were publicly traded companies it would be like an overvalued company using stock to purchase an undervalued one in order to lock in that value. *No matter the deal it gets it will be over valued. Relative to other conference people dont watch the Big East, by a far margin. And other that the ACC its just not competitive either. |
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Post by seaweed on Jun 13, 2012 12:58:40 GMT -5
Advertisers pay more to reach consumers in big markets. Yes, but the consumers in the big markets (which are in Big East territory) dont watch Big East football. They watch SEC, Big 12 and Big 10 football because that is where they went to school or are originally from. don't know where you are from jgalt but if you think most of the people in NYC or Philly aren't from NYC and Philly you are sadly mistaken. Sure people come to Manhattan from all over the world but the NY media market is made up of NYers who went to school within 3 or 4 hours of home, right here in New England, NY and the Mid-Atl. I live in CT and it never ceases to amaze me that people here get all fired up about the craptastic UConn football program, but they do. Maybe you hang in sports bars and they cater to alumni groups, but the "media market" is what it says it is - NYer in NY, Brotherly lovers in Philly, etc... They appreciate quality and usually that means not watching BEast football, but beyond that, their allegiances are local programs and often that means BEast schools. |
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Post by calhoya on Jun 13, 2012 22:51:04 GMT -5
Syracuse, Pitt and West Virginia are the past. The conference needs to sell the revived basketball programs at St. Johns, Providence and Cincinatti as well as developing program at USF to the media. The Hoyas, Marquette, Notre Dame, Nova, Temple, louisville, Memphis, and Connecticut provide more than enough national credibility to maitain the integrity of the conference. As for football it all comes down to Boise State. If that program stays nationally strong there will be interest, though it may take some revival of the programs at Louisville, Cincinatti and Rutgers as well.
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Post by jgalt on Jun 13, 2012 23:31:37 GMT -5
Yes, but the consumers in the big markets (which are in Big East territory) dont watch Big East football. They watch SEC, Big 12 and Big 10 football because that is where they went to school or are originally from. don't know where you are from jgalt but if you think most of the people in NYC or Philly aren't from NYC and Philly you are sadly mistaken. Sure people come to Manhattan from all over the world but the NY media market is made up of NYers who went to school within 3 or 4 hours of home, right here in New England, NY and the Mid-Atl. I live in CT and it never ceases to amaze me that people here get all fired up about the craptastic UConn football program, but they do. Maybe you hang in sports bars and they cater to alumni groups, but the "media market" is what it says it is - NYer in NY, Brotherly lovers in Philly, etc... They appreciate quality and usually that means not watching BEast football, but beyond that, their allegiances are local programs and often that means BEast schools. You're right. In NYC the biggest draws for football are Notre Dame, Army, Rutgers, and Cuse. Surprisingly Rutgers holds the top 5 spots for ratings of CFB games on ESPN in the New York area. But that doesnt necessarily translate to large viewerships. The article below describes the odd landscape that is College football in NYC, and you will note that for the 2010 Championship game, NYC was the 55th ranked market in ratings. online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703467004575463843751580442.htmlNow what does that mean for the Big East? Well I guess it means it can win the biggest media market in the US if Rutgers becomes a championship contender. But lets look at the other markets and weather the Big East can dominate college football there (the numbers are the national market rank): (4) Philly: Maybe Temple can pull in the viewers, but I would guess Philly is dominated by Penn St. alumni and fans. (5)Dallas-Fortworth: SMU is the third (fourth?) biggest program in the area behind Baylor, TCU, and UT itself. But this is a growing market and if SMU can return to its 80s form, then maybe it can grab market share (6)Boston: Uconn, is in a pretty crappy location because its not really NYC and its not Boston, either way boston has been apathetic about college football for a while now. Can it come back? Maybe, but I wouldnt hold my breath (9)Washington,DC: When people watch college football they watch VTech then maybe UMD, but the Big East has no football team here so... (10) Houston: Well UH is the biggest game in town I guess, but there last three bowl games have pulled: 1.8, 1.7, .7!, and a 3.24 against South Carolina which is pretty good. Houston is one of the teams that the Big East needs to become a constantly good team and there is a market here to own. After that its Tampa at 13 and Orlando at 19. But both are in a football crazy state. And USF and UCF are the only teams in there cities. They have the potential to be big time teams because of the talent and interest in the state. I want to say that I am not trying to argue with anyone on here, though it may seem this way. I just love this topic and thing the Big East is in an interesting position right now. But we all have to realize that Big East football is not a hot commodity right now. People arent watching like they watch other conferences. The Big East is going to get a deal right now that it doesnt deserve. They need to take that money, circle the wagons and develop their programs. They need Boise to be a contender every year along with another programs (Rutgers, a Florida school, or Texas school would be the best) then have two or three other schools that are perennial top 25 programs (the other Florida and Texas schools). This is the Big 10 and Pac 12 model (and similar to the Big 12). Two teams at the top that are championship contenders and three or four just below that to provide a tough enough schedule. |
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Post by vamosalaplaya on Jun 15, 2012 10:13:26 GMT -5
The English Premier League just did a monster deal on their side of the pond - an increase over a previous monster deal - for their TV rights. Sports rights are skyrocketing, and I would submit the value of the non-football sports are going to go even higher relative to football; the mile wide, inch deep footprint of the conference - lots of cities, many where they don't have the number one college team - at least allows cable/satellite distribution, which is worth gold - getting access to Houston, San Diego, or Chicago markets with some unique programming as an outsized economic affect even if SMU or DePaul aren't the top properties in the market.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jun 21, 2012 11:37:23 GMT -5
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Post by skyhoya on Jun 21, 2012 14:29:12 GMT -5
why would they join a losing FB conference?
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Jun 26, 2012 18:12:42 GMT -5
College football has a playoff. Discuss.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jun 26, 2012 22:28:29 GMT -5
College football has a playoff. Discuss. I have no idea why that was so hard. I am very excited. As someone who isn't a super hardcore fan, I'm looking forward to three spectacular matchups at year end. Most of the bowls are crap games -- now we get three games between the top four teams. As for the usual complaint about preserving the regular season, I fail to see how this changes things. Teams losing will still often cost them a chance at a four team playoff. And let's not pretend a loss was always a death-knell in prior years. How many BCS games actually had two undefeated teams? |
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Post by jgalt on Jun 26, 2012 23:21:12 GMT -5
The important part will be who is on the selection committee. For Basketball they can screw up and its ok to a certain extent. But with only 4 teams they have to get it right (though that fifth team will always complain, and they will probably go to 8 teams eventually). The committee cant be conference big wigs. That wont work and no one will trust them. Its got to be highly respected past coaches. Lou Holtz is my first pick, though he would have to give up the ESPN gig I guess. Hell even respected players would work if they are old enough far enough removed. And there needs to be a balance of conferences.
Basically they should just let the Ivy League decide, because they dont really care that much (because to them the Ivy winner is the true champion) and seem to be the only ones capable of ignoring money in athletics.
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Post by Dhall on Jun 27, 2012 10:12:20 GMT -5
What does this mean for Big East? On the one hand, BE loses its automatic bid to a major bowl and has no "contract bowl" like the other conferences. On the other hand, nobody else is guaranteed a spot in the playoffs either so it is kind of leveling the playing field making conference affiliation less important (other than strength of schedule).
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Post by thebin on Jun 27, 2012 10:44:13 GMT -5
Its a crap half-fix. The bowl system is so rancid that it needs to be swept aside, not further supplemented with another half-measure patch.
The playoffs should be 8 teams and it should start the first Sat in December with the national title game never one second past the New Year's Day Holiday. People who are not in the top 8 can still attend what ever crap bowls would remain as long as they ended not one second past New Year's Day. That would be a heck of a tournament. What crushed college football postseason is the absurdly long layoff between the regular season and the jokes that are bowls- that isn't going anywhere.
There will still be tons of controversy over who is 4 vs 5....I just think 8 vs 9 is where you get to the point where the controversy is more like who are the last teams left out of the NCAAs- in other words if you couldn't crack the top 8 I don't want to hear you crying. But I can see legit arguments and the continued appearance of illegitimacy when arguments get political (SEC vs everyone) about #5, 6, etc. 8 was the right number. 16 is too many in my opinion.
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