thebin
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Post by thebin on May 22, 2012 13:35:38 GMT -5
Fantastic news.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 22, 2012 13:39:52 GMT -5
Is there much doubt that ESPN wants to diminish the conference to enhance the value of its exclusive negotiating window? Unfortunately it won't work. It might be entertaining to see how ESPN would treat the Big East if it actually wins the negotiating war.
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thebin
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Post by thebin on May 22, 2012 13:42:34 GMT -5
Either that or they have to suck it up and try to pre-empt giving NBC/FOX/CBS a chance by blowing us out of the water. That might be the smart move. The question is have they burned that bridge? Do we let them do that if the money is there? If they just wanted to devalue our package, isn't the thing to do decline to even enter the negotiating window with us? Just say, "forget it, we offerered you more than you were worth and you turned it down." Now they clearly have to go much higher than the last deal, even though the product isn't as attractive.
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Post by DanMcQ on May 23, 2012 13:03:00 GMT -5
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on May 23, 2012 14:22:50 GMT -5
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 23, 2012 14:40:14 GMT -5
We're definitely trying. Any idea whether BYU might be a bball member also? Probably too hard geographically. |
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on May 23, 2012 14:46:40 GMT -5
Frazier, I saw the reference to the Philly article in McMurphy's twitter feed, who was in turn retweeting @ucfsports. In that guy's follow up discussions, he stressed that since BYU is an indy in football, it makes it easy to just move FB. I infer that means that keep the other sports where they are.
But yeah, for all the doom and gloom after Marianatto's ouster, things are looking much better.
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Post by calhoya on May 23, 2012 15:42:51 GMT -5
BYU would be a nice addition for football, but the school and its fans are really looking for a single conference for all sports and not independent status. School officials and boosters have made no secret of a desire to join the BIG 12 or PAC 12, neither of which is likely right now. The key question for the BE is why they would want to add a school that wants to be elsewhere. Effectively, Louisville is in that position now. Of course both Boise and SDSU are likely temporary additions, so perhaps adding another Western school makes sense.
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Post by hoyarooter on May 23, 2012 16:37:31 GMT -5
BYU would be a nice addition for football, but the school and its fans are really looking for a single conference for all sports and not independent status. School officials and boosters have made no secret of a desire to join the BIG 12 or PAC 12, neither of which is likely right now. The key question for the BE is why they would want to add a school that wants to be elsewhere. Effectively, Louisville is in that position now. Of course both Boise and SDSU are likely temporary additions, so perhaps adding another Western school makes sense. Why would we add a school that wants to be elsewhere? Because we're the Big East, that's what we do! TCU = cover child. |
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Post by kghoya on May 23, 2012 17:12:47 GMT -5
BYU is like Notre Dame-lite. That would be a great add for football.
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Post by jgalt on May 23, 2012 18:00:49 GMT -5
BYU (and SDSU and Boise) may WANT to be somewhere else, but thats not best for them. For those teams to move up to the big boys they need to be at the top of a conference for a lot of years. Thats never going to happen in any other conference (except the ACC) Boise or BYU in Big 12 is like Texas Tech level, a nice third or fourth or fifth runner some years, but also at the bottom a lot.
Just being in these conferences does little. Iowa St. is in the Big 12 but they arent good either major sport (except every so often in basketball). BYU and Boise have what it takes to be big time players if they WIN! Both have strong loyal fan bases, but they have to grow themselves into national brands. Notre Dame can suck for a few years and still be considered great because they are a national brand. If Boise had one season that was like any ND has had the past few they would be finished.
Getting the TV money is great for the short term. But the big money is in being a national brand that sells out bowls against any opponent and that sells merchandise like crazy. You get there by winning National Championships in the BCS here is a list of schools who would be able to win a championship:
Bama, LSU, Florida, Arkansas, Auburn, South Carolina, Georgia
Michigan, Ohio State, Nebraska, Penn State
Texas, Oklahoma
USC, Oregon?, Stanford?
Virginia Tech, FSU, Miami
Notre Dame
Thats it. Not because other teams are good. Not because other teams cant beat those teams. Because the way the system worked is that it favored perception and those were the teams that got the favorable perception. Then they could rack up wins by playing favorable schedules. (the SEC is unique in this in that those teams actually play incredibly difficult schedules).
But now you only have to be in the Top Four not the top two. And the diference between top 2 and top 4 is huge. The easiest way to be top four is to be in a conference where you are the Top 1 or Top 2. No sense in joining a conference like the Big 12 were the top 2 are always Oklahoma or Texas. You are already number 3. How likely is it you are going then be top 4 in the nation also? If the play off is only conference champs, even more reason to not be in the Big 12 because you are never going to win.
Boise and BYU (or louisville) can join the Big 12, take the money, and become middle of the pack teams who play well, but never well enough to be in the playoff. OR they can commit to the Big East, actually improve their programs, and actually have a shot at winning national championships. Thats what it is all about.
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Post by SirSaxa on May 23, 2012 21:58:47 GMT -5
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Post by tigerhoya3 on May 26, 2012 8:40:57 GMT -5
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Post by jgalt on May 26, 2012 12:41:51 GMT -5
Industry sources can be really dumb sometimes. If the ACC replaces FSU and say Clemson with Rutgers and Connecticut their TV deal gets renegotiated and, while still probably bigger than the Big East, would drop significantly with the loss of its biggest FB property. The ACC deal is 17.2mil a school and that is on a scale that starts much lower and rises over the life of the deal. With out Clemson and FSU that deal could be significantly lower per school and fewer games would be in prime time slots (as they wouldnt be against FSU or Clemson who are often in those prime slots). Losing FSU and Clemson would drop the deal to say 15mil a school over the course of the contract (though i think it would go lower), but it also dilutes the product. So ratings would drop, hurting the ACC for the next contract negotiations. The Big East can only get better ratings, so if the minimum its worth is $130 a year, thats not that bad. Basically the ACC is Facebook, its worth about as much as it ever is going to, while the Big East is Winnegebo, depressed by recent market events (crapiness of football teams) and only way to go is up (or bankrupt i suppose, but that is doubtful) Thats true. The Big East doesnt have a Mich-Ohio State or a Texas-Oklahoma as a perennial marquee match up. But if Boise is undefeated in week 12 and playing Uconn, people are going to watch. Well they will watch if its on National TV, which ESPN probably wont give the Big East when setting the schedule, but NBC would. Just another reason to route for NBC over ESPN. |
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Post by jwp91 on May 26, 2012 13:31:27 GMT -5
TV Negotiations this fall should be pretty straight forward. We want whatever it takes to have a bigger contract than the ACC......
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Post by enj on May 26, 2012 13:43:15 GMT -5
When the ACC loses FSU, Clempson and UNC, they will try to fill the void with the BE's top football schools. Why won't Rutgers, UConn and or Louisville leave?? None of those three will get a 64 invite, so at that point, what is more attractive? BE or ACC?
Just asking, not sure the answer.
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Post by bicentennial on May 26, 2012 13:58:15 GMT -5
I agree that the biggest pay day is what will best stabilize the Big East. I also think that any press from fox, cbs, nbc and espn is somewhat suspect for the next several months since they all have a desire to pay as little as possible for the contract. If ESPN only offers 60 million over 5 years that is a far better starting point for all the networks to compete then if ESPN offers 130 million or more. Kicking the Big East is in the best interest of every network right now. The Big East cannot accept less than the ACC per school or they will remain at risk for pilfering. If they can get more than the ACC and as much as the Big 12 per football school they should be stabilized. Even if they get less for football but more for basketball and the money is more than the ACC or the Big 12 total that may be enough to stabilize the conference. While I hate Syracuse, the loss of the marquis GU-SU Big East matchup does not help the basketball revenue side. Conneticutt's fall from grace also doesn't help the conference on the basketball side.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 26, 2012 14:22:42 GMT -5
When the ACC loses FSU, Clempson and UNC, they will try to fill the void with the BE's top football schools. Why won't Rutgers, UConn and or Louisville leave?? None of those three will get a 64 invite, so at that point, what is more attractive? BE or ACC? Just asking, not sure the answer. If the ACC loses it's best members I'm not sure the ACC is a better place for the remaining BE teams to jump to. A lot will depend on timing. Especially if the BE is able to secure a deal better than the ACC's this fall why would teams jump to a place with less money and that would be getting a lot less upon renegotiation. |
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Post by enj on May 26, 2012 16:18:09 GMT -5
I guess it depends on what the BE can get on their deal. What scares me is the conference is looking outside its region, way outside its region, to form a football BE. Can that hold together for more than a few years?
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Post by jwp91 on May 26, 2012 20:44:36 GMT -5
I guess it depends on what the BE can get on their deal. What scares me is the conference is looking outside its region, way outside its region, to form a football BE. Can that hold together for more than a few years? It is quite possible this will be the strength and differentiating factor of the new Big East. |
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