idhoya
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Post by idhoya on Apr 5, 2012 16:19:06 GMT -5
nash,
have you seen either or both play?
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 5, 2012 16:32:50 GMT -5
It would be great if Big East divide into north and south divisions with Georgetown, Memphis, Louisville and Fla schools in the south. Go Hoyas!!! Go Bigt East!!! You are in Nashville, so I understand your sentiment. I, however, would much prefer us to play in a division with 'Nova, SJU, Marquette, Temple, and YouCon than those schools likely to be in a southern division. |
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Post by HometownHoya on Apr 6, 2012 10:21:04 GMT -5
It would be great if Big East divide into north and south divisions with Georgetown, Memphis, Louisville and Fla schools in the south. Go Hoyas!!! Go Bigt East!!! You are in Nashville, so I understand your sentiment. I, however, would much prefer us to play in a division with 'Nova, SJU, Marquette, Temple, and YouCon than those schools likely to be in a southern division. Uh oh, the whole north vs south argument...didn't the university get divided by this issue a hundred-fifty years ago?  |
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drd13
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Post by drd13 on Apr 14, 2012 11:13:21 GMT -5
Larry Brown is interviewing for the SMU job. That could be a great thing for the conference.
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Apr 14, 2012 13:49:01 GMT -5
larry brown VERY interesting go hoyas GO BIG EAST ARISEN YES . with THREE hoyas now as big east presidents hmmmmm more than JUST bball yes
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ksf42001
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Post by ksf42001 on Apr 14, 2012 14:04:29 GMT -5
Larry Brown is interviewing for the SMU job. That could be a great thing for the conference. SMU spending lots of money to bring in big talent? this is sure to end well... |
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guru
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Post by guru on Apr 20, 2012 11:52:54 GMT -5
VCU, George Mason and possibly Butler to A-10 as of May 1. Those are good gets for that league.
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kghoya
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Post by kghoya on Apr 20, 2012 13:30:26 GMT -5
You gotta think that eventually there big east bball schools will join up with the likes of Xavier/Mason/VCU/Butler etc.
Not sure where the current Big East football schools will end up. I guess it's possible they stay and the bball only schools leave?
Whatever happens, its obviously not over.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 20, 2012 14:16:48 GMT -5
I cannot see the Big East schools leaving the Big East. Instead, I think if there was further realignment, you could see the football Big East schools leaving for other conferences, leaving the basketball schools behind. I think this is for a few reasons: (1) If the Big East Schools wanted to start their own conference, they would not have an automatic bid into the NCAA tournament; (2) The Big East name carries a degree of marketing power that would not exist in the A-10 or a new conference (even if much diminished from a football-Big East); (3) the football schools are in the drivers seat and they are the ones that will move or stay. The basketball schools really have no options but to stick it out and see what happens.
As I've said repeatedly, a Big East BCS conference with football is the best place for Georgetown basketball, absent the ability to get into another BCS conference as a non-football school (which will never happen).
If the Big East did eventually lose football membership, you could see schools like Xavier, Butler, etc., join forces with the Big East basketball schools, but in that case, I would see those schools joining the remains of the Big East, and not vice versa.
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jgalt
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Post by jgalt on Apr 20, 2012 17:28:44 GMT -5
I cannot see the Big East schools leaving the Big East. Instead, I think if there was further realignment, you could see the football Big East schools leaving for other conferences, leaving the basketball schools behind. I would consider this pretty much the same thing. The important part is just to be the last man standing so you get all the exit fees. |
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kghoya
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Post by kghoya on Apr 24, 2012 10:50:50 GMT -5
The AD at ODU seems to think that not only will George Mason and VCU go to the A10 in the next month, but that the Big East will once again (surprise-surprise) be losing schools. He's got Louisville and Cincinnati gone to the Big 12 soon. I have seen Louisville football recruits recently tweeting about playing in the Big 12. georgemasonbasketball.blogspot.com/2012/04/odus-ad-says-new-round-of-conference.htmlThis speculation goes along with some of the reports out there that San Diego State is dragging their feet and trying to have the WAC hold a spot for them. The WAC (ideally) needs another team but have ignored San Jose State's bid to join. LET THE GOOD TIMES ROLL! |
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Post by HeartAttackHoya on Apr 24, 2012 11:33:11 GMT -5
in re: larry brown, based on his historical job timeline, i dont think we will ever see him coach a ig east game
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Post by dungeon ball on Apr 24, 2012 11:49:32 GMT -5
Even though I know he's got nothing to do with it and would prefer to stay, cue up Cronin's BET soundbite where he questions why anyone would want to leave the Big East. He's got Louisville and Cincinnati gone to the Big 12 soon. I have seen Louisville football recruits recently tweeting about playing in the Big 12. |
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pash
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Post by pash on Apr 24, 2012 15:51:06 GMT -5
I can't imagine anyone would leave at this point for the Big 12. For the other three big conferences, maybe, but otherwise I would think it would be worth sticking around at least long enough to see what the TV contract looks like.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 24, 2012 15:59:03 GMT -5
The Big 12 has problems long term because the success or failure of the conference largely depends on Texas and its own decision making. Texas makes an enormous amount of money and if they eventually decide to walk away, it would be extremely problematic for the Big 12. I have a hard time seeing how the Big 12 would survive a scenario where 16 team mega-conferences exist, but you never know.
The Big East really needs to try to lock down as big a television contract as possible, because that will be key to ensuring some level of stability. Several football partners (like San Diego State, Boise State) aren't natural fits and if the conference falls apart, they would probably be the first members to leave.
Regardless of TV contracts, the Big East is really in a tenuous position if the major conferences go to 16. It's a shame too, because for a long while it was not clear whether the ACC or Big East would win the battle in the east, and the ACC seems to have won by striking first.
I am not convinced 16 team conferences are a good thing or that they will ever happen. If that does ever happen, it will likely mean that Georgetown won't be playing in a football conference.
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calhoya
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Post by calhoya on Apr 24, 2012 17:39:59 GMT -5
The AD at ODU seems to think that not only will George Mason and VCU go to the A10 in the next month, but that the Big East will once again (surprise-surprise) be losing schools. He's got Louisville and Cincinnati gone to the Big 12 soon. I have seen Louisville football recruits recently tweeting about playing in the Big 12. georgemasonbasketball.blogspot.com/2012/04/odus-ad-says-new-round-of-conference.htmlThis speculation goes along with some of the reports out there that San Diego State is dragging their feet and trying to have the WAC hold a spot for them. The WAC (ideally) needs another team but have ignored San Jose State's bid to join. LET THE GOOD TIMES ROLL! Have not heard any reports out here about SDSU dragging its feet. Most people consider the Big East an intermediate step and there is some curiosity by the non-football enthusiasts to see what, if any, conference results from the former MWC/CUSA merger. The long term --and unrealistic --goal for the Aztecs is to join the Pac 12. Right now, the non-football sports are not thrilled with their future being limited because of the football deal with the Big East. |
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kghoya
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Post by kghoya on Apr 25, 2012 11:26:47 GMT -5
I think its pretty damn clear that other conferences/ESPN are going to make it so that the Big East isn't in any position to obtain a strong TV deal come September.
Obviously I don't know what will happen but I doubt that the Big East gets to September with the current stable of expected teams in place.
I hope I'm wrong.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 25, 2012 13:43:54 GMT -5
I think its pretty damn clear that other conferences/ESPN are going to make it so that the Big East isn't in any position to obtain a strong TV deal come September. Obviously I don't know what will happen but I doubt that the Big East gets to September with the current stable of expected teams in place. I hope I'm wrong. I find it pretty hard to believe that other conferences would try to minimize a contract for the Big East; if so they are incredibly short-sighted. Now that there are other potential significant players than just ESPN/ABC, setting the bar higher with a Big East contract would only benefit the other conferences down the road when their next contract negotiations take place. Of course that also means that ESPN has every reason to try to avoid a big contract for the BE now. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 25, 2012 14:47:14 GMT -5
I think its pretty damn clear that other conferences/ESPN are going to make it so that the Big East isn't in any position to obtain a strong TV deal come September. I hope I'm wrong. I'm not sure that the other conferences or ESPN are in a position to do this. Of course, ESPN can play hardball with the Big East and refuse to offer a favorable deal, but there is competition in the marketplace and live sports programming is a hot commodity these days because it generally garners relatively good viewership in good demographics. Also, I know many people think ESPN has a conspiracy against the Big East, but I still think the Big East still brings enough value to ESPN to make the Big East relevant. Sure, they might not be wild about the Big East, but would they rather let them go to NBC Sports and serve as direct competition? ESPN's strength in sports programming is largely because of their total monopoly, especially when it comes to NCAA sports. Regarding other conferences, I'm not sure there's much they can do to stop the Big East from getting a TV contract, aside from another round of realignment that might destroy the Big East. I don't think that alone would be enough reason to do another round of realignment if there are no other legitimate reasons to do it right now. |
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Post by cincyhoya on Apr 25, 2012 15:53:27 GMT -5
The AD at ODU seems to think that not only will George Mason and VCU go to the A10 in the next month, but that the Big East will once again (surprise-surprise) be losing schools. He's got Louisville and Cincinnati gone to the Big 12 soon. I have seen Louisville football recruits recently tweeting about playing in the Big 12. Cincinnati is not going to the Big 12. Period. They are not wanted by them or any other big-time conference. They're Memphis, but with a better recent history. |
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