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Post by FrazierFanatic on Oct 14, 2011 19:31:34 GMT -5
Pull out a map and look at this ridiculous version of the Big "East" conference. Boise St, UCF, SMU, Conn, Air Force! At least change the name to something else. All this because we cannot have a playoff system in college football. So the BCS schools preserve their wealth, the non-BCS schools and the basketball schools are at the mercy of the BCS. I understand why this is happening, but it's a horrible shame. You would think that the "brilliant minds" who run these academic institutions could have actually fashioned a regional system taht still maximized profits, while lessening the costs. Instead, I cannot imagine what Boise State's cost will be for 3-4 road games in the big East each year. If - and it is a big IF - this plan or something similar comes together and the conference survives, the extra TV money Boise makes, as well as the possibility of BCS bowl money, will more than make up for the added travel expense - but it will still be some inconvenience. The most important thing for the conference is to establish a plan and get everyone committed very soon, to create stability, try to avoid incentive for the remaining teams to bolt, and be able to look and plan for the future.
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Post by NCHoya on Oct 14, 2011 19:35:23 GMT -5
Probably not a rumor anymore. Sounds like the invites for Boise, Navy, AF and UCF will go out in 72 hours per the league by-laws. Also interesting that the bball schools allowed the team additions only after increasing the exit fee to $10MM. Seems only fair. www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index.ssf/2011/10/big_east_preparing_to_add_bois.htmlSince I have a dog in this race on both sides, GU and RU (hometown school), I think this was probably the best possible outcome based in reality. BSU brings instant credibility to the football side and having 2 service academies with them will likely make it impossible for the BE to lose its AQ status for the BCS, which is what this is all about at the end of the day.
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Post by nychoya3 on Oct 14, 2011 19:37:09 GMT -5
Not like I'm excited over this, but if this comes to pass it's almost certainly the best, realistic option on the table. These four teams strike me as the most desirable, and they keep the conference credible for football. I'd like to see Temple and Memphis get the other two slots in bball and football.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Oct 14, 2011 21:04:31 GMT -5
If I am UConn or WVa or Rutgers, games against Air Force and Navy, and Boise State if its success continues, have more interest than playing Syracuse or Pitt. They may even have more television interest, which could translate to contract dollars. Of course the bball dollars without SU and Pitt won't be the same, but in total it would be a plus for all of the BE schools and their programs.
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Post by gtowndynasty on Oct 14, 2011 22:01:04 GMT -5
Doug Gottlieb just described the response by the BE in seeking to add Houston, SMU, Central Fl to replace Pitt, Cuse and the eventual departure of Uconn n Rutgers as laughable. I agree with him. We are being put on ice by Boise St. Man GTFOH.
So now Air Force and Boise St both reported by ESPN to decline the invite to the BE and stay in the Mountain West.
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Post by nathanhm on Oct 14, 2011 22:42:33 GMT -5
gtowndynasty not seeing AF or BS declined anywhere, is this on TV or the website?
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Post by kghoya on Oct 14, 2011 22:59:56 GMT -5
gtowndynasty not seeing AF or BS declined anywhere, is this on TV or the website? It's been on the bottom scroll on ESPN for awhile now. Yes I'm watching MLS on this fine Friday night.
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Post by concord on Oct 15, 2011 2:06:34 GMT -5
It's been on the bottom scroll on ESPN for awhile now. Yes I'm watching MLS on this fine Friday night. I spent a little time sleuthing this out and it sounds like Andy Katz is the one reporting it. What kind of sources could that guy possibly have at Boise State?! The articles the Idaho Statesman is putting up tonight seem to indicate Boise State will jump at the BE invite, if extended early next week as expected. www.idahostatesman.com/2011/10/15/1840192/boise-state-reportedly-invited.htmlI really couldn't care less about college football, but it seems like an intact BE football conference is the only way the Hoyas can bank enough to survive down the line in a basketball-only conference, so hopefully this whole expansion thing works out.
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Post by bigelephant on Oct 15, 2011 7:07:53 GMT -5
I KNOW MOST OF YOU, IF NOT ALL OF YOU DISAGREE, BUT I THINK NOW IS THE TIME TO PUT ON THE FULL COURT PRESS ON ND. WE WILL NEVER BE IN BETTER POSITION FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE. CARROT AND STICK - GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANT/NEED OR LEAVE. IF THEY AGREE OUR TV PACKAGE WILL BE AWESOME AND THEY WILL SHARE IN IT. REMEMBER ND IN FB DOESN'T HAVE QUITE THE CHARISMA THEY ONCE HAD. IN THIS NEW BE EVERYONE INCLUDING ND WILL BENEFIT.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Oct 15, 2011 9:01:34 GMT -5
Screw 'Nova. Add Temple.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Oct 15, 2011 9:25:07 GMT -5
We HAVE to add temple. Just have to. Eff nova and Rutgers
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Post by GUMBA on Oct 15, 2011 9:44:48 GMT -5
Remember that ESPN was the network that helped the ACC plan and execute the deal for Cuse and Pitt to leave the Big East. They do not want to see a bigger stronger Big East in football. It will cost them more money at the negotiating table for the broadcast rights. ESPN has always been in the tank for the ACC. It is the Duke and UNC network when it comes to hoops. And Doug is a Big East and Hoyas hater. I agree with the above posters - this is a football upgrade. We could use a couple more all sport teams with strong basketball traditions. Temple and Memphis fit the bill. I understand why Nova doesn't want Temple in. We wouldn't want GWU in and UMD wouldn't want us in the ACC for hoops only. The hybrid conference, while not neat or tidy, still works. the fundamentals that helped establish the Big East with a mix of urban basketball schools and larger state university football schools is still effective. The ACC will try and try to kill the competition. But if the Big East can field a basketball conference with GU, ND, Nova, UCONN, Louisville, WVU, Cincinnati, Marquette, while adding Houston and potentially Memphis and/or Temple, we are STILL the BEST basketball conference in the country. The ACC is where good football and basketball schools go to die a slow and painful death on the field and court. It will be interesting to see what happens to Pitt and Cuse in a few years. Does the BC syndrome take hold? ESPN will try to ensure that does not happen.
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Post by thebin on Oct 15, 2011 10:23:45 GMT -5
The rumors that boise and af are interested in a mwc- conf usa combo makes me very nervous because it makes too much sense for them not to. I honestly think army's cowardly opt-out of real 1a football is going to screw us. I think they made navy reluctant- which has made af reluctant. I think without the service academies the league cant stand in the long term. The future of the best bb conference in the country is i think now in navy's hands to some extent. Strange friggen off season.
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Post by vcjack on Oct 15, 2011 11:37:17 GMT -5
"A veteran conference commissioner told Katz that he would be surprised if Boise State would accept an invite without knowing the long-term security of the Big East.
The source also said the Mountain West-Conference USA alliance could persuade Air Force, Boise State, Central Florida, Houston and SMU to say no to the Big East."
So Katz's source is really just a company MWC guy trying to sell the C-USA merger. The BE's proposal still could fall apart but I think its more likely than getting this behemoth 22 school thing attractive enough for the BCS.
I would be fine at stopping with Boise, UCF, Navy and Air Force but title game rematches with Houston have a certain nostalgic appeal.
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Post by thebin on Oct 15, 2011 13:03:40 GMT -5
Hope you are right. Important to remember the mwc-usa is not a league, its just a title game. Meaning best case scenario is both leagues really have .5 of a bcs bid.
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Post by HeartAttackHoya on Oct 15, 2011 14:48:17 GMT -5
looks like U. Of Houston is getting an offer today according to Houston Chronicle. Great pickup in my opinion. Good football program, new football stadium, huge TV Market, Texas Recruiting and a basketball program that is on the rise again.
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Post by calhoya on Oct 15, 2011 15:21:08 GMT -5
looks like U. Of Houston is getting an offer today according to Houston Chronicle. Great pickup in my opinion. Good football program, new football stadium, huge TV Market, Texas Recruiting and a basketball program that is on the rise again. Agree that this is a good pick-up for the Big East--at least until Houston gets a ittle more established and jumps to the Big 12. Local radio here in SoCal points out that the raising of the exit fee by the Big East to $10 million would be a minor consideration for any of the major Big East schools if the Big 10 or ACC come calling. No different than buying out a coach except for the dollar figure and that could be made up fairly quickly.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Oct 15, 2011 16:32:59 GMT -5
The point of raising the exit fee is mostly symbolic. It shows a level of commitment. The schools commit to that on monday and the schools we invite will jump on board. If they don't agree to it then they may not. It won't really stop anyone from leaving but indicates they're committed to making this work as best they can for now. Which is more than what they could say before.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Oct 15, 2011 19:51:55 GMT -5
"A veteran conference commissioner told Katz that he would be surprised if Boise State would accept an invite without knowing the long-term security of the Big East. The source also said the Mountain West-Conference USA alliance could persuade Air Force, Boise State, Central Florida, Houston and SMU to say no to the Big East." So Katz's source is really just a company MWC guy trying to sell the C-USA merger. The BE's proposal still could fall apart but I think its more likely than getting this behemoth 22 school thing attractive enough for the BCS. I would be fine at stopping with Boise, UCF, Navy and Air Force but title game rematches with Houston have a certain nostalgic appeal. And BSU Pres denied telling BE that he thought they would decline.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Oct 15, 2011 20:59:04 GMT -5
Katz works for ESPN. Don't trust anyone with mouse ears.
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