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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Oct 14, 2011 14:46:03 GMT -5
With two more to follow. Boise, AF & Navy as football only. I kind of like this. It doesn't do much on the Hoops sider but it makes football much stronger with Pitt & Cuse leaving. brett-mcmurphy.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/29532522/32716356Discussions of Houston & SMU for all sports would kind of s**k but oh well. That would increase recruiting for Texas and also improve the football side of the equation. Raise that exit fee, get that TV deal and you might hold this thing together.
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Post by idhoya on Oct 14, 2011 15:12:41 GMT -5
Houston is on the rise in hoops. Not bad. UCF in all sports not bad either.
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Post by blueandgray on Oct 14, 2011 15:21:38 GMT -5
Any conference that has Georgetown, Uconn, Louisville, Villanova and others will always be one of the top basketball conferences in the country.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Oct 14, 2011 15:28:27 GMT -5
Travel is the main issue I think. UCF is already within the footprint but Texas is definitely not. The idea of an eastern & western conference in football makes sense though. SMU, Houston, Boise, Air Force, Cincy? & Louisville? and then USF, Uconn, rutgers, WVU, UCF, Navy.
In hoops, I guess that would make it 17 teams. Ouch! I say divide that up into divisions too. Go football vs. non-football that way the eventual spinoff is more fluid and you keep those rivalries paired together. Play home & home in division and then fill in with a rotating scrap pile. Go back to a qualifying format for the BET.
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Oct 14, 2011 15:32:59 GMT -5
I think it's a bad idea to segregate FB / NON FB into divisions - sends the wrong message moving forward.
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Post by vamosalaplaya on Oct 14, 2011 15:38:08 GMT -5
If the exit fee is raised, that is a huge sign. UConn is the key. They own New England - not BC.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Oct 14, 2011 15:39:52 GMT -5
why not memphis? Is their football that bad? (i don't pay a lick of attention to college Football)
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Post by harlemhoya on Oct 14, 2011 15:43:53 GMT -5
need to add Temple in all sports.
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Post by SirSaxa on Oct 14, 2011 15:44:23 GMT -5
Temple should be in the mix. They are within the natural BE footprint, are good at hoops and football, and would be an easy travel destination.
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Post by harlemhoya on Oct 14, 2011 15:53:37 GMT -5
BTW, Brett McMurphy is on top of the big east expansion story. People like Hoops Weiss and NY post are just lost.
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Post by SirSaxa on Oct 14, 2011 16:08:17 GMT -5
Adding Boise State vs losing pitt and Cuse? For football, that's a HUGE net Plus! And it will help Boise schedule better teams and achieve a higher RPI -- and get to more bowl games. IF it's Football only, great move. Too bad all the fans won't be able to travel to and from Boise. That's the reason I hope it's only Football... so many other teams and fans couldn't possibly handle that travel.
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Post by superan on Oct 14, 2011 16:28:48 GMT -5
I think it's a bad idea to segregate FB / NON FB into divisions - sends the wrong message moving forward. agreed, we need to make any possible/potential segregation of the Big East as difficult as possible. Good to hear the exit fee up moving up to $10 million
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Post by RBHoya on Oct 14, 2011 16:40:40 GMT -5
I like it. Big help for football. May still be able to land a quality tv contract next year. I hope Fox or NBC steps up, invests a lot of money in the league and then puts our games on in prime times for sports. ESPN can shove.
Still not 100% sold on it. There still could be moves. But it's the right next step, IMO.
I think Houston and SMU are fine, they've got football potential, are great areas to recruit and Houston is competent in hoops. Not perfect fits, but not terrible, when you consider we were already planning on adding Texas Christian. In an ideal world we'd get Boise, AF, Navy for football only and UCF, Memphis and Temple for all. Or, UCF Memphis, ECU which would be better georgraphically. But I recognize Memphis football is horrible and there's complications with adding Temple (think Nova and Rutgers would both hate it for recruiting reasons), so SMU/Houston are ok.
Ultimately on the football side it's an upgrade--lose Cuse who stunk, Pitt who was ok and TCU who was excellent... Boise cancels out the TCU loss, Navy and Air Force are better than Pitt and Houston/SMU/UCF are comparable to Cuse. But now you've got 12 teams and a conf championship, which is very important. On the hoops side... well, we end up with 17 like we would've with TCU. SMU and TCU is a wash, and we land 2 decent programs with some potential in Houston & UCF. Neither comes close to Pitt or Cuse, but all things considered if the league holds together it's not that bad. As I've said all along, nothing that was gonna happen here would be good, our best hope was "not a disaster". This could be that!
Now... can we work out all the details and make it happen? And.... can we hold it together?
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Post by RBHoya on Oct 14, 2011 16:44:27 GMT -5
Another thing to consider... not sure if these schools coming on board have exit fees to deal with... If not, or they're not high... maybe we could add UCF/AF/Navy/BSU next season, while Pitt and Cuse are still in the league. We could use the next couple years as essentially an audition, and we could determine who of the remaining candidates (Houston, SMU, ECU, Temple, Memphis or any others) gets invited to fill the spots that Cuse & Pitt will vacate in a couple years.
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Oct 14, 2011 16:55:56 GMT -5
Football schedule are ususally set further out than the BB schedules so it's usually harder to transition quickly in football.
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Post by SirSaxa on Oct 14, 2011 17:08:40 GMT -5
Another thing to consider... not sure if these schools coming on board have exit fees to deal with... If not, or they're not high... maybe we could add UCF/AF/Navy/BSU next season, while Pitt and Cuse are still in the league. We could use the next couple years as essentially an audition, and we could determine who of the remaining candidates (Houston, SMU, ECU, Temple, Memphis or any others) gets invited to fill the spots that Cuse & Pitt will vacate in a couple years. I don't think we have that luxury. Teams need to commit now -- next month or two... even if the official transition is delayed. We need to work NOW to ensure our viability in the future for ourselves (BE CONF), and to get new teams to commit. This is the crucial time and we need to make it happen.
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Post by calhoya on Oct 14, 2011 17:08:59 GMT -5
Pull out a map and look at this ridiculous version of the Big "East" conference. Boise St, UCF, SMU, Conn, Air Force! At least change the name to something else. All this because we cannot have a playoff system in college football. So the BCS schools preserve their wealth, the non-BCS schools and the basketball schools are at the mercy of the BCS. I understand why this is happening, but it's a horrible shame. You would think that the "brilliant minds" who run these academic institutions could have actually fashioned a regional system taht still maximized profits, while lessening the costs. Instead, I cannot imagine what Boise State's cost will be for 3-4 road games in the big East each year.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 14, 2011 17:34:34 GMT -5
ESPN reporting Conference USA and the Mountain West to merge for football. If you think the BE has issues, imagine a 22 team setup!
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Post by idhoya on Oct 14, 2011 17:43:28 GMT -5
UCF for all sports.
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Post by prhoya on Oct 14, 2011 17:43:34 GMT -5
Pull out a map and look at this ridiculous version of the Big "East" conference. Boise St, UCF, SMU, Conn, Air Force! At least change the name to something else. All this because we cannot have a playoff system in college football. So the BCS schools preserve their wealth, the non-BCS schools and the basketball schools are at the mercy of the BCS. I understand why this is happening, but it's a horrible shame. You would think that the "brilliant minds" who run these academic institutions could have actually fashioned a regional system taht still maximized profits, while lessening the costs. Instead, I cannot imagine what Boise State's cost will be for 3-4 road games in the big East each year. The Big 12 has ten teams. If it meant more $$$$, I'm sure they would go to 14 teams and not stop at 12. It's the nature of beast.
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