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Post by FrazierFanatic on Oct 17, 2011 9:26:54 GMT -5
I agree that this is the best possible outcome we could have hoped for realistically- only I would have liked the exit fee closer to 20MM than 10MM. And if this does come to pass, we have to start a campaign to publically humiliate Army for their cowardly retreat out of real IA football when there is a league with Navy and Air Force that would invite them for football only. Add Army and Memphis or Temple to have 14 and 19 with a title game at the Meadowlands every year. I don't think you are going to get Florida and Texas teams to agree to a championship game in New Jersey in December every year! Maybe we could rotate it with some warm weather sites having turns. Otherwise I agree with your post, although getting the current football teams to agree to bump the buyout to $20 million is not too likely.
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Post by Dhall on Oct 17, 2011 9:34:57 GMT -5
Ironically, the 10m exit fee will prevent Georgetown from joining a conference that actually makes sense for us. The party is over, like it or not, and this newfangled Big East is worse than several other scenarios I can imagine being available in the future.
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Post by thebin on Oct 17, 2011 9:38:20 GMT -5
The exit fee for the basketball schools remains at $5MM. Only reason I'd like to keep the game in NYC is that there is a better chance of a sellout I think than any other neutral site and I like the idea of sort of mimicking the BET a little. I think fans of all the schools in the league can get excited about a trip around Christmas time to NYC. Make a tradition out of it.
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 17, 2011 9:39:14 GMT -5
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Post by sleepy on Oct 17, 2011 9:45:50 GMT -5
Looks like for this week the BE just may be taken off life support. the proposed conference just might make it for a few years.
My concern is when the next round of raids hits the ranks of WV, Lville Uconn et al, will we be stuck in a conference situation far worst than if the footballs all left today?
10 mill isn't keeping anyone where they are.
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Post by calhoya on Oct 17, 2011 9:51:56 GMT -5
Looks like for this week the BE just may be taken off life support. the proposed conference just might make it for a few years. My concern is when the next round of raids hits the ranks of WV, Lville Uconn et al, will we be stuck in a conference situation far worst than if the footballs all left today? 10 mill isn't keeping anyone where they are. Totally agree. It's easy to understand why Navy, Air Force and Boise St. might be a little hesitant to take a flier on the Big East, when it is apparent that WV, Louisville, UConn, and Rutgers are out of here at the first opportunity.
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Post by nychoya3 on Oct 17, 2011 10:08:28 GMT -5
I agree Sleepy, but it buys us some time to work on the things we CAN control. The main one being building a modern practice facility on campus ASAP. If we do that, continue to recruit well and win some tournament games, we'll at least be better situated to be competitive at a national level even if we end up in a BB only league.
Predicting the future is hard. All we can do is prepare for the worst.
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Post by thebin on Oct 17, 2011 10:13:30 GMT -5
I agree that WV, Louisville, RU and Uconn will bolt if given the invite to a better conf- but that is a big if. It is also probably true too that there is no way more than 2 of them find invites. (I don't think ND is joining any conference.) I'd rather have a $25MM exit fee than that- but it is what it is.
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Post by sleepy on Oct 17, 2011 10:17:42 GMT -5
100% with you nychoya, the next 3 years will be critical in laying the foundation for whatever future the program will have.
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Post by lichoya68 on Oct 17, 2011 10:24:14 GMT -5
dont sound like a done deal to me aint over till teh big east fat lady sings.. adn i aint seen here singing to much lately HOPE IT WORKS go hoyas go bi? ? east??? sue pitt wright now yup
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Post by lichoya68 on Oct 17, 2011 10:24:53 GMT -5
make the exit fee 25 million for EVERYONE build that iac now ;D ;D ;D
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Oct 17, 2011 10:34:19 GMT -5
Did not realize it was a whole year before we can negotiate our new tv deal with Non ESPN entities. I hope we can make it that long. If we make it to that point the BE will be fine. If not we're in trouble.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Oct 17, 2011 10:51:04 GMT -5
The exit fee for the basketball schools remains at $5MM. Only reason I'd like to keep the game in NYC is that there is a better chance of a sellout I think than any other neutral site and I like the idea of sort of mimicking the BET a little. I think fans of all the schools in the league can get excited about a trip around Christmas time to NYC. Make a tradition out of it. Until they have to sit outside for a football game ;)The Pinstripe Bowl had mediocre attendance last year, and that was with Syracuse drawing all of its fans. I think your idea has merit, just don't think the warm weather schools are going to agree to such a disadvantage for a conference championship game on a permanent basis.
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Post by thebin on Oct 17, 2011 11:01:36 GMT -5
I don't think of it as a disadvantage but you might be right that they do. There is a difference though you have to say between NYC weather at the end of autumn (early Dec) and Jan. Its not generally that cold in early Dec. Isn't that when conf titles games are? And a BCS conference title game, with major ramifications on the line, should well out-draw one of the totally meaningless third rate bowls like the Pinstripe Bowl.
I'm not married to the idea, just generally don't like rotating title game sites- I'd rather build on the tradition of bringing college athletic atmosphere to the Big Apple in the same sort of way that made the BET hands down the best conference title tourney in the country. No its not midtown- but the idea of people taking a quick vacation to NYC during Christmas season might hold more general appeal than bouncing the game around a very vast section of the country. I feel like we should go out of our way to own NYC as a BE asset. This is one way to do it.
I just have to think a lot more casual fans/alums will be likely to book an impromptu long weekend in NYC for christmas shopping, Rock Center, etc in addition to a big game than just the game in some random rotating city.
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Post by vamosalaplaya on Oct 17, 2011 11:08:38 GMT -5
38,000 folks showed up for a game between a 4th ranked BE team and a 6th rank B 12 team.
BE Title game would be totally different in terms of getting non-alumni to show up and a slightly warmer time of year. It's NEW YORK CITY my goodness. Owning NYC during the holidays. So Boise St-West Virginia in NY is worse than Boise St- West Virginia in, say. . . .I don't know, where would they play? Philadelphia? Cincinnati? Washington DC?
New York for a BE FB title game would be awesome.
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Post by calhoya on Oct 17, 2011 11:11:11 GMT -5
Did not realize it was a whole year before we can negotiate our new tv deal with Non ESPN entities. I hope we can make it that long. If we make it to that point the BE will be fine. If not we're in trouble. Hopefully, the Big East has not written off ESPN as a potential partner. I know that the fingerprints of ESPN are all over the recent departures of Pitt and Syracuse, but from a basketball perspective, I think that the Hoyas need the exposure of ESPN more than what is available on other network alternatives.
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Post by Cambridge on Oct 17, 2011 11:13:45 GMT -5
Did not realize it was a whole year before we can negotiate our new tv deal with Non ESPN entities. I hope we can make it that long. If we make it to that point the BE will be fine. If not we're in trouble. Hopefully, the Big East has not written off ESPN as a potential partner. I know that the fingerprints of ESPN are all over the recent departures of Pitt and Syracuse, but from a basketball perspective, I think that the Hoyas need the exposure of ESPN more than what is available on other network alternatives. I'd say those bridges are burned. And I wouldn't be surprised to see legal action.
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Post by hoyaboya on Oct 17, 2011 11:20:23 GMT -5
Agreed with Cambridge on the "bridges burned" point. And it seems like ESPN is going out of its way on a daily basis to kill the Big East with how it's "reporting" on the conference realignment shakeout.
I'm not necessarily happy about not being associated with ESPN moving forward (solely due to ESPN's reach/influence), but seems like best-case scenario is for somebody like Comcast/NBC to pick up the Big East and try to hype it up as a competitor for ACC/SEC/Big XII/Big Ten/Pac-12 on ESPN.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Oct 17, 2011 11:41:48 GMT -5
One potential issue is highlights/coverage. As an ESPN product, the Big East enjoys substantial coverage on the the highlight shows. Will that decrease significantly if we sell ourselves to someone else? Relative to the ACC, I suspect our coverage may suffer significantly. The other potential suitors for the TV contract do not provide nearly the exposure that that Bristol does, since they don't have a SC, ESPN news, or nightly college bball roundup. If ESPN does reinvest in the product, we probably fare much better than if we affiliate with a different network.
Edit: Just realized cal said the same thing.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Oct 17, 2011 11:42:57 GMT -5
We are not going to be in a position to "burn bridges" with anyone, nor do we want to. Even if ESPN starts behind the 8-ball in any negotiations, at the very least we should be able to use them to drive up the price with anyother interested parties; also, if it is in the business interests of ESPN, it will pay to get the product. The type of "forward thinking" that many have accurately idenftified as critical at this point cannot include grudges that could end up leaving money on the table.
That said - I would desperately hope that FoxSports, Comcast/NBC/Versus, CBS/CSTV would outbid ESPN so we could tell the Mothership where it can stick its ACC ;D
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