2011 College Football Thread Aug 26, 2011 14:13:54 GMT -5
Post by AustinHoya03 on Aug 26, 2011 14:13:54 GMT -5
I'd rather have FSU and Clemson if I'm the SEC but that's just based on FB alone. I think this move would blow up in A&M's face and they'd be regulated to the level of a Kentucky or Mississippi State in FB in the SEC--and it's a case of a program thinking far too much of itself. Aggies need to stay in the weakened Big 12 and they can emerge again-they go to SEC and they are the team that gets a beatdown routinely by powers and has a nice 8-4 season once in a while. Would Aggie ego allow them to just collect paychecks as an SEC member and not succeed on the field? I think not.
Pac 12 wouldn't want Texas Tech. What do they bring? Lubbock is a rathole and that school is beyond ridiculous. It's a joke academically. I think Pac 12 expands--they want Oklahoma, Texas, and I wouldn't be surprised if they coveted Baylor more then Tech or Oklahoma State and they tried to bring in another West Coast team from another league. Oklahoma State might try to attach itself to Oklahoma but lets face it their options are limited if Pac 12 passes on them because SEC and Big 10 wouldn't want them-- either.
Yeah, I think Texas Tech and Oklahoma State ride the coattails of Texas and OU to the Pac-16 once state legislatures get involved and push for those schools to be included as part of a "package deal." If the politicians don't get their way TTU and OSU wind up in the Mountain West. Baylor has done a lot over the past decade to improve facilities and its overall athletic program, but it's a private school and it still lags Texas Tech and Oklahoma State in terms of attendance, fanbase, merchandise sales, donors, etc. (I'm not sure if academics would be a factor in expansion or not, as the Pac-12 currently includes members as "academically diverse" as Stanford and Oregon State.)
I also think the second SEC team will be FSU, unless UF can arrange to keep the 'Noles out politically. Interestingly, that would leave the ACC with the following teams (record over past five seasons in parentheses):
NC State (28-34)
Wake Forest (36-28)
Ga. Tech (41-25)
N. Carolina (31-32)
U. Va. (26-35)
Va. Tech (52-16)
Overall W/L: 380-325 (.540 winning percentage)
That's a pretty weak football conference. Only 2 teams have won over 65% of their games over the past five years: Boston College and Virginia Tech. Additionally, two members (UNC and Miami) may soon be hit by NCAA penalties. By comparison, here's the Big East:
Overall W/L: 306-203 (.600 winning percentage)
Add TCU (55-10) into the mix and the numbers change to 361-213 (.630).
That's also a fairly weak football conference, but one that contains a slightly greater number of schools winning at least 65% of games over the past five years (3, 4 if you count TCU), and a better overall winning percentage.
There are very few "big programs" in these conferences. From a pure W/L perspective, only Va. Tech, WVU, and TCU qualify. Based on program reputation, one could arguably throw FSU, Clemson, and Miami into the mix. If FSU goes to the SEC, Miami gets busted by the NCAA, Clemson continues its recent struggles, and the Big East looks poised to score a huge TV contract, is it inconceivable that Va. Tech could return to the Big East? If Va. Tech moves to the ACC, is it inconceivable that FSU could move to the Big East? Would BE football schools rather add a school like Va. Tech or a school like Kansas, which has a track around its football field, no support, and went 34-28 over the past five seasons?
There are two points I'm trying to make here. One, that the Big East should be ready to expand if an ACC team leaves for the SEC. Two, that the schools we'd like to add to the BE as Georgetown basketball fans (Kansas, Mizzou) are not necessarily the schools that WVU football fans would like the conference to add.
Note: I realize W-L is a terrible stat to use without taking into account strength of OOC schedule and other factors, but it's Friday, I'm lazy, and I don't know where to find the other stats.
(FWIW, the Big 12 has an overall winning percentage equal to the Big East's over the past five years, but five teams with an individual winning percentage over 65%. Perhaps there is an imbalance of power in that conference?)
Oh, and one more note: Texas A&M is 35-29 over the past five seasons. Just sayin'.