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Post by DFW HOYA on Nov 30, 2011 11:20:07 GMT -5
A Georgia Florida fan tries to figure out Kyle Field in his first visit, where everyone stands and no one leaves at halftime. "The game experience is unlike anything else in college football: coordinated, regimented, and disciplined to a degree one might not think college football should ever be. It is one part North Korean pep rally, one part Fenerbahçe match, and several dashes of English Premiere League singalong."www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/11/29/2595941/texas-am-rivalry-sec
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Post by TBird41 on Nov 30, 2011 11:22:42 GMT -5
To be fair (unfair?) to Spencer Hall, he's a Florida fan. He's also the best college football writer on the internet (his site is Everyday Should Be Saturday:
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Post by RDF on Dec 1, 2011 13:57:19 GMT -5
Coaches who I'd be after if I were an AD: James Franklin, DeWayne Walker, Jim Mora JR (think he'd be like Pete Carroll more then a clown like Herm Edwards), Paul Chryst, and Josh Heupel.
Coaches I would be very careful overesimating---Kevin Sumlin--ASU/UCLA are hot on him--and his offenses are great-and his teams can't play defense. Having Leach/Rich Rod in same league--you can prep for 3 teams who do same thing, so if I'm Pac 12 team, I re-think that.
Chris Petersen. Lotta hype-and maybe he'll be the one to break mold, but I've seen Houston Nutt, Dirk Koetter, and Dan Hawkins get same hype before, after leaving Boise and want to see results before I buy into the fact he'll be able to take over an elite program and in a major conference/media coverage. Very interesting his proteges have proven to be complete duds in their gigs as OC (Harsin at Texas) and DC (Wilcox at TN).
Complete clusters if hired--Herm Edwards. The man is a clown. He'd make for an entertaining in-home with kids, but he can't organize, prep a team, put together a gameplan, understand game management, and he's always preaching. Sermons are meant for church, not coaching.
Dan Mullen--he's trying to get out before they figure out he sucks in Starkville. If PSU goes in that direction, good luck on searching for new coach in 2 years.
Any OC under Mike Gundy.
Gus Malzahn--anyone see his wife on youtube and how his offenses at Arkansas and Auburn function without Cam Newton's immense talent? He's been a flop based on gimmicks.
Kirk Ferentz. Most overrated coach in Football. Gets this talk of being able to something with nothing--iowa has put 3rd most players in NFL Draft the past 3 years. Ferentz has lost at least 5 games, 6 of last 7 years. His program is in top 3 for players being arrested. Yet he's talked about as a wholesome guy with great values/coaching ability. Chew some more gum and take some more notes "Careful" Kirk.
Kirby Smart--See Will Mushchamp. Some guys are best left as DC and when you look like one of Bobby Bowden's kids--that isn't a good sign either. He is one that needs to cut his teeth on a mid major job and prove he can coach.
Randy Shannon--the single most inept man to ever pretend to run a football program.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Dec 1, 2011 20:27:07 GMT -5
Mike Sherman out at TAMU. Kevin Sumlin is the leading candidate to replace him. I agree with RDF: I'm not sure Sumlin's system is going to work in the SEC. Aggies also seem to have already forgotten that the Coogs were 5-7 last season and that Case Keenum was recruited by Art Briles.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Dec 1, 2011 20:47:24 GMT -5
Chris Petersen. Lotta hype-and maybe he'll be the one to break mold, but I've seen Houston Nutt, Dirk Koetter, and Dan Hawkins get same hype before, after leaving Boise and want to see results before I buy into the fact he'll be able to take over an elite program and in a major conference/media coverage. Very interesting his proteges have proven to be complete duds in their gigs as OC (Harsin at Texas) and DC (Wilcox at TN). I wouldn't say Harsin has been a complete flop...yet. First of all, he's co-coordinator with Major Applewhite, so any blame has to be shared. Secondly, Texas hasn't been great personnel-wise for a lot of the season. Case McCoy just isn't a college quarterback. David Ash didn't play well enough to keep his starting job. Inconsistent QB play means that Texas WRs don't get the ball and an opportunity to make plays as often as they should. The offensive line has struggled all year. Fozzy Whitaker going down really hurt, and Brown/Bergeron being banged up only exacerbated the pain. The sad thing is that I don't feel like the Texas offense has "built" much in a rebuilding year. Expectations will increase next season, but the 'Horns will enter 2012 with big questions at quarterback, probably expecting too much out of heralded RB recruits, and ignoring the fact that O-line hasn't proven itself over the past couple seasons.
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Post by RDF on Dec 2, 2011 1:28:06 GMT -5
Chris Petersen. Lotta hype-and maybe he'll be the one to break mold, but I've seen Houston Nutt, Dirk Koetter, and Dan Hawkins get same hype before, after leaving Boise and want to see results before I buy into the fact he'll be able to take over an elite program and in a major conference/media coverage. Very interesting his proteges have proven to be complete duds in their gigs as OC (Harsin at Texas) and DC (Wilcox at TN). I wouldn't say Harsin has been a complete flop...yet. First of all, he's co-coordinator with Major Applewhite, so any blame has to be shared. Secondly, Texas hasn't been great personnel-wise for a lot of the season. Case McCoy just isn't a college quarterback. David Ash didn't play well enough to keep his starting job. Inconsistent QB play means that Texas WRs don't get the ball and an opportunity to make plays as often as they should. The offensive line has struggled all year. Fozzy Whitaker going down really hurt, and Brown/Bergeron being banged up only exacerbated the pain. The sad thing is that I don't feel like the Texas offense has "built" much in a rebuilding year. Expectations will increase next season, but the 'Horns will enter 2012 with big questions at quarterback, probably expecting too much out of heralded RB recruits, and ignoring the fact that O-line hasn't proven itself over the past couple seasons. You are right and to be fair I should include Applewhite but what I dont' like about Harsin that i've seen--he ignores a guy who seems to make positive plays each time he gets ball (DJ Monroe), he didn't recognize the year that Fozzy Whitaker was putting together and would go away from him after positive plays--he'd get 2 first downs and then it was Brown time or some gimmick play. WR play other then Shipley has left a lot to be desired--although I see Horns have 2 very good ones committed--but player development is more important then recruiting--you have to develop what you get. Jonathan Gray will help big time--he's a stud play maker type they've lacked, but need a QB badly and Brewer is overrated imo, and agree about OL but I think the new S&C coach is going to have say there--he can't be worse then Madden who was an embarrassment considering facilities and talent he would get to work with. Sumlin's got to focus on getting superior defensive staff--if he takes Brian Stewart with him to Pac 12 or SEC--Sumlin is 3 and out.
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 4, 2011 4:22:52 GMT -5
How far has your program fallen when an 18 point loss is considered a moral victory? "Well, at least we didn't lose 50-0." I didn't see any of the Bedlam Bowl, but the score had me rubbing my eyes. Sure didn't see that coming. Ditto Clemson's turnaround from what appeared to be a free fall. Ditto Houston blowing a BCS game by getting rolled by the team that lost to UAB.
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Post by vcjack on Dec 4, 2011 21:27:32 GMT -5
So Alabama is in the national title game. Not what I would pick, but still very defensible and understandable that a majority believe that Alabama is superior to Oklahoma State.
The real travesty is Virginia Tech getting into a BCS bowl over Kansas State.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 4, 2011 21:32:45 GMT -5
I think if the goal of the BCS title game is to match the two best teams as best as can be determined, it's done that.
If the goal of the BCS title game is to crown the best team national champs, it should have been LSU versus someone other than Bama.
If the goal of the BCS is to make money, which it is, this is the right title game and so is putting in Va Tech and Michigan over Boise and K State.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Dec 4, 2011 22:37:25 GMT -5
This never would have happened under the old bowl system, under which Alabama would be playing in the Cotton Bowl against K-State, and LSU would be playing a team like Virginia Tech en route to a well-deserved unanimous national championship.
Instead, LSU must defeat a team that did not win its conference. A team it has already defeated. This is further proof that the BCS has already destroyed the importance of the regular season and conference championships. Although it makes me gag to say it, I'd rather have a small playoff.
Bowls (most notably the Rose Bowl) used to bring together distinct regions of the country. Now we have a regional rivalry as the "national" championship game. Even if Alabama and LSU are the two best teams in CFB (and I think they are), this sucks.
If Alabama wins, does it "prove" anything other than the fact that it's really hard to beat a good team twice in the same season? I'll be rooting hard for the Bayou Bengals, and I'll gag if Alabama takes home another crystal football after blowing it at home against LSU.
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In other CFB news, Fresno State fired Pat Hill tonight. I didn't think that would ever happen.
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Post by RDF on Dec 5, 2011 2:11:05 GMT -5
Why does the "rematch" bother people so much? It wasn't Alabama's fault that other teams gagged the chance to keep them out of the game. Don't lose to Iowa State, TCU, USC, etc.....and Bama is out of equation.
Think an argument should be made if we're going to have Conference Title games, then the best 2 teams in the conference should play--not Division winners. Then you'd have rematch in SEC Title game and less arguments about rematch (See Wisc vs Mich St). For those arguing for plus 1 format--or "Final 4"--great--but until then, this beats old alternatives which prevented crappy teams from being exposed and letting them hide in bad leagues with favorable matchups.
I still remember in '96 when FSU beat Florida 24-21 in last game of year and for a spot in Sugar Bowl "Title Game" and when Texas upset Nebraska in Big XII game, and UF won SEC, it was a rematch in New Orleans and Gators pounded FSU. Was it fair for FSU that season to end a season undefeated and beating a team and then having your bowl game be against same team? I didn't have a problem with it because UF was deserving and proved it. It's only a problem if they aren't 2 best teams.
Sugar Bowl has now had 3 rematches 18 years--FSU-Florida twice (the 5th quarter game after 31-31 tie) and in '96 as described above and this year. We had Washington vs Nebraska twice last year--and they played this year too--so that means 3 matchups in less then a year. Miami and FSU did same in middle of last decade--Labor Day, Orange Bowl, Labor Day and they weren't that good, nor was having a rematch a "Reward" for the season.
At least LSU will have homestate advantage with game in New Orleans.
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Post by whatmaroon on Dec 5, 2011 2:33:39 GMT -5
My problem with an Alabama rematch is unless Alabama does something insane and wins by 30, there's no good case Alabama should be #1 over LSU. At least Oklahoma State has a couple decent wins, and if they beat LSU (admittedly unlikely), they should get something.
If FSU-UF '96 happens in the BCS era, FSU plays unbeaten Arizona State in the BCSCG and UF doesn't win a championship. Instead, Ohio State (ridiculous team, John Cooper special) beats Arizona State in the Rose Bowl (great game), and UF gets the blowout and title.
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 5, 2011 4:38:35 GMT -5
The first LSU/Alabama game was a snoozefest, with two tremendous defenses dominating two ok offenses. Why should we as fans have to be subjected to that again? If Alabama wins a squeaker this time, the two teams should be declared co-national champions, but of course that can't happen. So I'm with Austin. I'll be pulling big time for LSU to validate the championship they already won on the field in Tuscaloosa.
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Post by skyhoya on Dec 5, 2011 8:01:01 GMT -5
Defense wins championships and offense makes the game worth watching. Very little market share for this title game. Would have loved to see OSU in the title game and see how good the LSU D is against a passing, exciting team. But ESPN/SEC controls the BCS.
Watched the PAC12 and B1G title games on FOX this weekend. What a difference without all the announcer hype of the SEC. Also the camera coverage was better and you got a instant replay on almost every play. Real professional coverage, no talking heads.
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Post by RDF on Dec 5, 2011 12:30:26 GMT -5
Would it be easier for some of you to come out and admit you're just tired of SEC winning? We've repeatedly seen "great offensive teams" from all over the country play SEC and get slapped around. I'd rather see the 2 best teams play--no matter where they are from and too often the Big XII (specifically a school from Oklahoma) has prevented this from happening-'03, '04, '08. Oklahoma State is no different.
If the game was 31-28 in OT, everyone would be clamoring for a rematch. It's 9-6 and people "want to see a Big XII offense against an SEC defense". Been there/done that and no thank you. I'll take SEC domination of BCS over a fraud team getting run out of Superdome. Oklahoma State has favorable matchup against Stanford, so they'll get their shot to make a statement.
As for this "it's not fair to LSU" argument. The only way it wouldn't have been fair is if they lost to UGA in SEC title game and got passed over by Alabama. Otherwise-it's completely fair--they earned spot in title game. Now they play for National Title. If they win--they are undisputed National Champion--if they lose--they might get AP title in split--depending on how game goes, and if they lose--Alabama is champ of BCS.
Sky, agree other then having Tim Brewster call Chip Kelly "Jim" and congratulate Wisconsin on winning the "Big XII Title". His input is as valuable as his coaching was at Minnesota.
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Post by flyoverhoya on Dec 5, 2011 12:36:27 GMT -5
Over/under on the Rose Bowl might hit 100.
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 5, 2011 12:44:01 GMT -5
RDF, I'm going to fall back on a point I raised right after the first LSU/Bama game. Back in 2006 (or whatever year it was, all these seasons run together at my age), I thought Ohio State and Michigan were the two best teams, and I wanted to see a rematch. It didn't happen. Ohio State got Florida, and Michigan went off to the Rose Bowl to play USC. So what happened? The two "best" teams both got rolled.
Now I happen to agree that this year, LSU and Alabama are the two best teams. But I was wrong a few years ago, and maybe I'm wrong again. Admittedly, the SEC dominance the last few years would seem to indicate that LSU and Bama are the two best teams, but I would rather see them prove it against different opponents, even if the result turns out to be a championship game that isn't as competitive as it might otherwise be.
Also, Kansas State got the shaft. They should be in a BCS game, not Va. Tech. They may not play much defense in the Big Whatever, but I still think that the teams in the Big Whatever are clearly superior to the teams in A Crummy Conference. Here is what the match-ups should have been, and I know I'm right, since I know best. ;D
BCS: LSU/OSU Rose: Oregon/Wisconsin Fiesta: Stanford/Michigan State* Sugar: Alabama/Kansas State Orange: Clemson/Cincinnati**
* I know this couldn't happen. While I like Michigan, and I'm happy to see them coming back to the top, I think that MSU (which beat Michigan) is the second best team in the Big 10, and I think it would be fun to see Big Ten 1 vs. Pac 12 1 and Big 10 2 versus Pac 12 2.
**While West Virginia is the highest ranked team in the Big East, since they are so eager to get out, I say the hell with them, and let them sit home.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Dec 5, 2011 13:18:39 GMT -5
shouldn't the bama/lsu winner be called the national champion of oversigning?
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Post by Boz on Dec 5, 2011 13:31:27 GMT -5
I recognize and agree with most of the points RDF has made about Boise St. over the course of the season.
But being relegated to the pre-Christmas MAACO Bowl in Las Vegas seems more than a bit harsh.
I'm fairly certain they deserved better than that. And are a better team than that.
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Post by theexorcist on Dec 5, 2011 13:51:29 GMT -5
Would it be easier for some of you to come out and admit you're just tired of SEC winning? We've repeatedly seen "great offensive teams" from all over the country play SEC and get slapped around. I'd rather see the 2 best teams play--no matter where they are from and too often the Big XII (specifically a school from Oklahoma) has prevented this from happening-'03, '04, '08. Oklahoma State is no different. If the game was 31-28 in OT, everyone would be clamoring for a rematch. It's 9-6 and people "want to see a Big XII offense against an SEC defense". Been there/done that and no thank you. I'll take SEC domination of BCS over a fraud team getting run out of Superdome. Oklahoma State has favorable matchup against Stanford, so they'll get their shot to make a statement. As for this "it's not fair to LSU" argument. The only way it wouldn't have been fair is if they lost to UGA in SEC title game and got passed over by Alabama. Otherwise-it's completely fair--they earned spot in title game. Now they play for National Title. If they win--they are undisputed National Champion--if they lose--they might get AP title in split--depending on how game goes, and if they lose--Alabama is champ of BCS. Sky, agree other then having Tim Brewster call Chip Kelly "Jim" and congratulate Wisconsin on winning the "Big XII Title". His input is as valuable as his coaching was at Minnesota. I don't really care about SEC versus everybody else. I do care about the fact that the bowl system is supoptimal for determining a national champion. And, since national championships involve money going to state-supported institutions at different rates, the BCS does matter. There is one good team this year - LSU. Alabama played them, at Alabama, and lost. Alabama, while probably better than most of the other one-loss teams, isn't demonstrably better. Given that, and given that they blew their chance to beat LSU, it seems much more reasonable to give another team a chance.
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