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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 17:00:08 GMT -5
ENJ, you don't think taking Trey and then having him sit the bench or even transfer out wouldnt cause bigger problems in the long-run? Not, saying you're wrong, just saying the staff needs to, and likely is, taking a very holistic view of this and is gonna try to make the best decision for the program. I do expect there will be a lot of transparency with Zo about their plans. First off does he want to be a Hoya? If yes then you offer him a scholly. Ewing should never have been allowed to wear another jersey. Don't make the same mistake here. I hear what you're saying, but you're not really answering my question. You might be right, but you have to acknowledge the downside/risks. There's a tension between your argument and EtomicB's about dealing with "family" and how although it worked out for Ewing it would be very messy if things didn't for Trey. All I'm saying is that there are a few things to consider. In any case, there's a lot of time for things to get figured out, we can all probably sit back and relax for a bit....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 17:31:55 GMT -5
Just for clarification Trey is 6’8…Unless he has grown since the NBPA camp this summer where he measured in at 6’8 in shoes with a 7’0 wingspan.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Dec 15, 2013 17:45:32 GMT -5
How exactly would he save us a scholarship? If other schools are recruting him, isn't he a counter? Nope. We're just not allowed to recruit him any more than a normal recruited walk on. No official visit, etc.
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Dec 15, 2013 17:56:47 GMT -5
Kyle Kuric is a perfect example. He had scholarship offers from Butler and Indiana. Louisville definitely recruited him but he never took an official visit. Kuric actually signed a letter of intent but Louisville didn't have enough scholarships to go around so Kuric went to Louisville as a walkon.
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Post by IDenj on Dec 15, 2013 18:03:10 GMT -5
If we can take a player like Bolden then we can take a kid named Mourning. Regardless of ability.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 18:54:17 GMT -5
Definitely do not agree with the notion that he should get offered based on his last name...
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Post by Problem of Dog on Dec 15, 2013 18:59:00 GMT -5
If we can take a player like Bolden then we can take a kid named Mourning. Regardless of ability. So because we horribly misfired on a recruit we should recruit anyone else who isn't as bad?
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Post by strummer8526 on Dec 15, 2013 19:39:35 GMT -5
If we can take a player like Bolden then we can take a kid named Mourning. Regardless of ability. So because we horribly misfired on a recruit we should recruit anyone else who isn't as bad? By that logic, Nikita has opened the door wide enough that most of us could probably make the team.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Dec 15, 2013 20:03:43 GMT -5
How exactly would he save us a scholarship? If other schools are recruting him, isn't he a counter? Nope. We're just not allowed to recruit him any more than a normal recruited walk on. No official visit, etc. Thanks for the clarification.
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Post by idhoya on Dec 15, 2013 20:21:49 GMT -5
I think the kid has enough po to bring him on. I think he grows to 6'10-6'11; he's already better than Hayes, which is sad.
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Post by dreamhoya on Dec 15, 2013 20:43:27 GMT -5
hayes actually looked better than he while in h.s.
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Post by idhoya on Dec 15, 2013 20:48:29 GMT -5
I rooting for Hayes cause of his size; light has to come on.
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Post by idhoya on Dec 15, 2013 20:49:22 GMT -5
Maybe he will turn into Hendawg.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Dec 15, 2013 21:51:46 GMT -5
This board is starting to devolve into absolute nonsense
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 16, 2013 10:20:28 GMT -5
If we can take a player like Bolden then we can take a kid named Mourning. Regardless of ability. In retrospect, it's easy to pile onto Bolden but if you recall at the time of his commitment and earlier he actually had some buzz. If you are going to go after early commitments, at some point you will get someone who doesn't live up to expectations. We aren't going to get early commitments from the top 20 types so sometimes the staff needs to take a chance. And really, what was the harm? I don't think Bolden kept us from getting anybody else, he seemed enthusiastic on the bench, and he transferred when it was obviously the best thing for him. I think it worked out fine. Also, when looking at "missed" opportunities with big guys, don't forget the loss of Tyler Adams to injury. If Adams had been healthy he might have been a big contributor to this team over the last few years.
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Post by nychoya3 on Dec 16, 2013 10:59:04 GMT -5
Can someone PM me an x-ray of Trey Mourning's growth plates?
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Post by IDenj on Dec 16, 2013 12:40:40 GMT -5
If we can take a player like Bolden then we can take a kid named Mourning. Regardless of ability. In retrospect, it's easy to pile onto Bolden but if you recall at the time of his commitment and earlier he actually had some buzz. If you are going to go after early commitments, at some point you will get someone who doesn't live up to expectations. We aren't going to get early commitments from the top 20 types so sometimes the staff needs to take a chance. And really, what was the harm? I don't think Bolden kept us from getting anybody else, he seemed enthusiastic on the bench, and he transferred when it was obviously the best thing for him. I think it worked out fine. Also, when looking at "missed" opportunities with big guys, don't forget the loss of Tyler Adams to injury. If Adams had been healthy he might have been a big contributor to this team over the last few years. I was one of the few around here that said it was not a good move. And all I heard was but Florida is looking hard at him. Just nice to see the staff remembering that hard work on the trail pays off.
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Post by SirSaxa on Dec 16, 2013 12:42:29 GMT -5
- JT3 and Alonzo have known one another since 1988, when JT3 would have been about 22 and Zo about 18. That would be about 25 years.
- Zo is on the GU Board of Trustees... so he sees both JT's pretty regularly.
- Both JT3 and Zo know all about the realities of college ball,
recruiting, teams that cheat at recruiting, being the son of highly successful dad, or the highly successful dad of a less talented son. - AND, both know the value of a first class education at a top tier
school. (Not suggesting plenty of kids don't get good educations at 100s of American colleges and universities not named Harvard or Yale, but it is a privilege to attend a Princeton, GU or other similar academic institutions.)
- Finally, both know that Trey has not been rated a top level, D1 recruit so far, and has not drawn enthusiastic attention from a boatload of major, D1 programs.
Given all of that, if Zo wants his kid to attend GU he already knows what JT3 thinks and that neither the kid nor his dad have been made any promises. It sounds like Trey could have done what JT3 did back in the day, play for an Ivy, get a good education and have fun playing college ball. But IF he and his dad would rather see him at GU. I, for one, am not the least bit worried about how this would play out. Either Trey will continue to grow and develop, and surprise us all with his contributions, or he won't. Either way, he'll have a great experience at GU, just as most of us did. I have to believe that both JT3 AND Zo know ALL of this - far better than any of us do. Worrying about possible problems due to the potential arrival on campus of freshman Trey Mourning is about as far down my list of things to worry about as one can possibly imagine. This is a total and complete non-issue.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 16, 2013 13:02:50 GMT -5
- JT3 and Alonzo have known one another since 1988, when JT3 would have been about 22 and Zo about 18. That would be about 25 years.
- Zo is on the GU Board of Trustees... so he sees both JT's pretty regularly.
- Both JT3 and Zo know all about the realities of college ball,
recruiting, teams that cheat at recruiting, being the son of highly successful dad, or the highly successful dad of a less talented son. - AND, both know the value of a first class education at a top tier
school. (Not suggesting plenty of kids don't get good educations at 100s of American colleges and universities not named Harvard or Yale, but it is a privilege to attend a Princeton, GU or other similar academic institutions.)
- Finally, both know that Trey has not been rated a top level, D1 recruit so far, and has not drawn enthusiastic attention from a boatload of major, D1 programs.
Given all of that, if Zo wants his kid to attend GU he already knows what JT3 thinks and that neither the kid nor his dad have been made any promises. It sounds like Trey could have done what JT3 did back in the day, play for an Ivy, get a good education and have fun playing college ball. But he and his dad would rather see him at GU. I, for one, am not the least bit worried about how this will play out. Either Trey will continue to grow and develop, and surprise us all with his contributions, or he won't. I have to believe that both JT3 AND Zo know ALL of this - far better than any of us do. Worrying about possible problems due to the arrival on campus of freshman Trey Mourning is about as far down my list of things to worry about as one can possibly imagine. This is a total and complete non-issue. Sir Saxa, are you telling us that Trey will definitely be a part of the 2014 class?
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Post by blueandgray on Dec 16, 2013 13:04:10 GMT -5
- JT3 and Alonzo have known one another since 1988, when JT3 would have been about 22 and Zo about 18. That would be about 25 years.
- Zo is on the GU Board of Trustees... so he sees both JT's pretty regularly.
- Both JT3 and Zo know all about the realities of college ball,
recruiting, teams that cheat at recruiting, being the son of highly successful dad, or the highly successful dad of a less talented son. - AND, both know the value of a first class education at a top tier
school. (Not suggesting plenty of kids don't get good educations at 100s of American colleges and universities not named Harvard or Yale, but it is a privilege to attend a Princeton, GU or other similar academic institutions.)
- Finally, both know that Trey has not been rated a top level, D1 recruit so far, and has not drawn enthusiastic attention from a boatload of major, D1 programs.
Given all of that, if Zo wants his kid to attend GU he already knows what JT3 thinks and that neither the kid nor his dad have been made any promises. It sounds like Trey could have done what JT3 did back in the day, play for an Ivy, get a good education and have fun playing college ball. But he and his dad would rather see him at GU. I, for one, am not the least bit worried about how this will play out. Either Trey will continue to grow and develop, and surprise us all with his contributions, or he won't. I have to believe that both JT3 AND Zo know ALL of this - far better than any of us do. Worrying about possible problems due to the arrival on campus of freshman Trey Mourning is about as far down my list of things to worry about as one can possibly imagine. This is a total and complete non-issue. Great perspective and agree wholeheartedly.
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