derhoya
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Post by derhoya on Apr 28, 2011 14:15:26 GMT -5
Working with some DoD types and some recently retired field grade and general officers, there was some thought Petraeus could have been the 10th 5 star general in US history on his next assignment (one would think it could only be an elevation to Chairman of JCS). Last one was Omar Bradley back in 1950.
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 28, 2011 16:07:18 GMT -5
Keep in mind too that unlike MacKiernan, Gen. McChrystal wasn't fired for cause, he was the quarterback running Petraeus's game plan already. Wait, Rosslyn, did you really write that? Did you mean to write that? Did you just get the names mixed up?
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rosslynhoya
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Post by rosslynhoya on Apr 28, 2011 21:20:45 GMT -5
Keep in mind too that unlike MacKiernan, Gen. McChrystal wasn't fired for cause, he was the quarterback running Petraeus's game plan already. Wait, Rosslyn, did you really write that? Did you mean to write that? Did you just get the names mixed up? McChrystal was fired because office politics, for giving an Obamaesque interview to a pop music magazine in particular. He retired with full rank and benefits over and above what statute prescribed in exchange for being scapegoated by the White House. DOD exonerated him of any actual wrongdoing last week.
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 29, 2011 6:31:39 GMT -5
McChrystal was fired because office politics, for giving an Obamaesque interview to a pop music magazine in particular. He retired with full rank and benefits over and above what statute prescribed in exchange for being scapegoated by the White House. DOD exonerated him of any actual wrongdoing last week. 1. Actually, McChrystal was fired for a series of events, culminated by the Rolling Stone piece on him and his senior staff. 2. He retired with full rank "over and above" only because Pres. Obama decided he had suffered enough disgrace and opted not to knock him back to his previous rank -- which would have been justified (by Army rules) because of the short time since his promotion. 3. The Army's most recent report/whitewash relied on witness accounts, or non-accounts. Most/all of those witnesses would have compromised their own careers if they had owned up to what actually happened. The report did not specify anyone who confirmed a different story, it only said they could not get testimony on the record to confirm all the events as reported. Big difference. 4. At the time, McChrystal himself apologized and acknowledged his culpability. 5. What on earth is an "Obama-esque" interview?
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theexorcist
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Post by theexorcist on Apr 29, 2011 8:07:27 GMT -5
McChrystal was fired because office politics, for giving an Obamaesque interview to a pop music magazine in particular. He retired with full rank and benefits over and above what statute prescribed in exchange for being scapegoated by the White House. DOD exonerated him of any actual wrongdoing last week. 1. Actually, McChrystal was fired for a series of events, culminated by the Rolling Stone piece on him and his senior staff. 2. He retired with full rank "over and above" only because Pres. Obama decided he had suffered enough disgrace and opted not to knock him back to his previous rank -- which would have been justified (by Army rules) because of the short time since his promotion. 3. The Army's most recent report/whitewash relied on witness accounts, or non-accounts. Most/all of those witnesses would have compromised their own careers if they had owned up to what actually happened. The report did not specify anyone who confirmed a different story, it only said they could not get testimony on the record to confirm all the events as reported. Big difference. 4. At the time, McChrystal himself apologized and acknowledged his culpability. 5. What on earth is an "Obama-esque" interview? All of this aside, the key point is that McKiernan was fired for not doing well in the war in Afghanistan. When he left, Petraeus/McChrystal's counterinsurgency strategy became the new approach. McChrystal lost his job because of comments made in Rolling Stone, not because of how he prosecuted the war.
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 29, 2011 13:51:10 GMT -5
All of this aside, the key point is that McKiernan was fired for not doing well in the war in Afghanistan. When he left, Petraeus/McChrystal's counterinsurgency strategy became the new approach. McChrystal lost his job because of comments made in Rolling Stone, not because of how he prosecuted the war. I agree with that.
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