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Post by dchead on Mar 26, 2011 17:14:17 GMT -5
Didn't see this article that appeared in today's Washington Post posted elsewhere. Interesting quotes from Macklin on why he left the Hilltop. He should petition to have his nickname changed to "big baby." tinyurl.com/4klms5o
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Post by 757hoyafan on Mar 26, 2011 17:21:27 GMT -5
How is he a big baby? He might be telling the truth or he could have believed the hype & expected everything handed to him. Either way, it seems as if he might have matured. Good for him!
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Post by strummer8526 on Mar 26, 2011 18:06:46 GMT -5
2006–2007: Final Four 2010–2011: Elite Eight
Seems like he went further with Georgetown.
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Post by kghoya on Mar 26, 2011 18:06:53 GMT -5
Thank you Butler.
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Mar 26, 2011 18:25:06 GMT -5
Gotta say, after reading that article - the best part about watching Florida lose was how the camera centered on Macklin's disappointment at the end of the game
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Post by SDHoya on Mar 26, 2011 18:25:39 GMT -5
Macklin made the right choice to transfer. Not because of anything at GU, but because he simply needed a fresh start. It was nice to see him play to his potential, just wish he could have shown that in blue and gray.
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Post by alleninxis on Mar 26, 2011 18:36:31 GMT -5
don't really see the issue. he's been honest previously that he didn't work hard enough here and didn't put himself all in with things like filmy study.
some things just aren't the right fit.
I was happy to see him do well today and wish his guards didn't end his career early.
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Post by dreamhoya on Mar 26, 2011 19:04:14 GMT -5
Actually, i don't think Mack was "trusted" yet. Had he worked hard and talked with coach privately, an understanding would have been easy. By senior year, Mack would have been "Green" and "Hibbert" . JTIII seems to approach coaching in a semi-detached/businesslike way. Not getting too close to his players. But when you first meet him, you don't feel that probably. You feel the good man that he is. You probably feel engaged by him. I heard something similar about Calhoun. Calhoun told the player he's free to transfer if he's not going to work hard. The kid was about to leave. Who was this kid? Jeremy Lamb. Had Mack "liked" more of the team, he probably would have stayed. But the team was established and here was this highly touted freshman coming in...you have to earn that coach's trust. I don't know. Things don't work out for everyone. But i feel like he was honest and classy in his assessment. He didn't throw GU under the bus like Rivers did. I will say that i hope he wasn't insinuating that Coach isn't genuine...
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Post by NTAMM on Mar 26, 2011 19:46:36 GMT -5
One wonders whether Macklin was putting a positive spin on his leaving Georgetown. Had he stayed for his junior year, he might have come into his own as a Hoya. There were glimpses of how well he could be defensive force in the Davidson game – even though the Hoyas lost. He was the tall, long, athletic post that teams covet – if he was willing to rebound, set screens to get shooters open, attack the rim on offense, and exert himself defensively. He was never going to be a scorer like Jeff Green, Roy Hibbert, or even his classmate DuJuan Summers. But, he could have developed into a threat when delivered the ball in the post or in offensive rebounding.
There were probably two developments that led to his departure: GU’s successful recruitments of (1) Greg Monroe and (2) Henry Sims. With Roy Hibbert leaving, Macklin probably thought that he would move into the starting rotation in his junior year. But, his outlook probably changed when he learned that skilled bigs were coming in – one of whom was a McDonalds All-American and the other a near McDonalds All-American – Macklin probably surmised that he might would becoming off the bench throughout his GU career. Summers was a lock to start in the front court. If Monroe was as good as advertised (and he was), Macklin was likely to come off the bench if the Hoyas continued to go small and run three-guard sets (with Wright, Freeman, and Sapp). But, even if the Hoyas returned to running two-guard sets, Macklin would have to beat out Sims – who at the time was considered a skilled forward/center with NBA-potential.
When Macklin alluded to taking issue with the coaching staff’s “preferential treat” of Jeff and Roy, that was not something to be taken seriously. I remember JTII talking how he was he a reserve on Celtics teams led by Bill Russell. JTII stated, as a bench player, that he would have been a fool to expect Red Auerbach to give him (JTII) the same preferential treatment Auerbach gave to the Celtics’ leader and superstar Bill Russell. When Macklin arrived, Jeff and Roy were upperclassmen and clearly on track to the NBA. If Jeff and Roy were received better treatment than Macklin, it was because they earned JTIII trust. They listened and made themselves into NBA-caliber talents. As an elite high school baller, Macklin certainly knew that elite players are treated differently than the bench players. Macklin’s real issue with the coaching staff was probably that he was recruited over with Monroe and Sims. Those two recruits probably provided the impetus for Macklin’s transfer from GU.
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Post by RDF on Mar 26, 2011 20:58:43 GMT -5
It probably didn't help that in Macklin's best game as a Hoya-it also happened to be in his last game as a Hoya. I know he scored more against SJU at Garden--but Vernon was better fit against Davidson that day--and team responded to him--he was able to hedge/recover and did a great job--and then.....he vanished/didn't play. That tends to irritate players--but it was hit/miss that he was staying/going then thought he was staying, and then he left. Happens. Vernon played hard at Georgetown and helped the team with his role--they were successful so that's what matters. He had a nice career at Florida and ended on a strong note again in NCAA's--so he's got to be satisfied with his decisions--both out of HS and to transfer.
Seeing that game today--makes you wonder what would've happened if Macklin played with Monroe in '09 and '10--but if's and buts........so onto next year!
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 26, 2011 21:19:47 GMT -5
Macklin has, in several articles earlier this year, acknowledged that a lot of his lack of development at GU fell in his own lap. Donovan's comments in this article mirror that when he says he told him he'd have to work on the same things he'd been told to work on at GU. College is a place for maturation and development. While it would have been nice to see him do it all at GU, he did not. Good to see him have such a strong game in his last one today, but disappointing to see Donovan's coaching decision take away the one sure thing Florida had going for them on the offensive end against Butler.
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Post by lichoya68 on Mar 26, 2011 23:08:32 GMT -5
good points dan as always GO HOYAS BEAT UCONN THAT UCONN TOMMARROW YUP never know folks never know tough but possible yupwith thesee ladies possible
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Post by skyhoya on Mar 27, 2011 8:50:26 GMT -5
Donovan gave Vernon another chance to succeed, but VM had to put in the work. III is stubborn and slow to change his mind. When he added Sims to the team, the picture was clear to VM that he was not going to get Much/any PT. or else III told him that he needed to find another home. VMs replacement became JV. JV was, unlike VM, willing to work. So it worked out for JV and VM as they both graduate with degrees, with little potential to go to the next level.
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Post by gtowndynasty on Mar 27, 2011 9:04:40 GMT -5
I wouldnt say VM has little potential to get to the next level. He has size, can run and jump, is strong, finishes above the rim, is an okay defender and excels in the type of game that is played in the nba-fast paced. To the contrary for Julian so I would agree JV has little nba potential, but I could certainly see VM on a bench somewhere ala Randolph Morris or Daniel Orton.
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Post by whipple on Mar 27, 2011 9:33:52 GMT -5
I had always thought it was an academic/workload issue rather than a system or coach-attention issue. Seems like a combo of several things:
"I didn’t want guys to think that I was just running from a situation at Georgetown. There was more to it."
I'll root for his NBA ticket to be punched!
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Post by Filo on Mar 27, 2011 9:52:14 GMT -5
VM played a great game. Not sure why he couldn't do that all year. And i will echo Dan's comments. Just some horrible coaching by Billy the Kid. Butler had no answer for Macklin -- how do you not exploit that all game. Terrible end-of-game coaching too.
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Post by EasyEd on Mar 27, 2011 10:08:03 GMT -5
At the end Billy probably thought that, were Macklin to get the ball, Butler would foul him and take their chances on him missing.
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 27, 2011 10:50:06 GMT -5
“I’m not gonna say [Coach John Thompson III] didn’t care at Georgetown, it was just the position I was in. It was Jeff Green, Roy Hibbert, so I wasn’t in a position to really be cared about."
I'm sorry but theres something wrong here. Yeah, JTIII should be focused on the upperclassmen but not completely ignore the underclassmen. This isn't the NBA, we have kids for 4 years and the sooner they can start producing the better. College is about developing talent and that happens in-season, not just off-season. The upperclassmen have mostly developed thus should be focusing on the offense, the underclassmen need to play. Even if JTIII was too focused on his stars, we have assistants that should be developing our talent. I can't help but think that Vee might have been in a similar situation this year, fortunately he seems like a strong character kid, so I hope it doesn't end like VM.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 27, 2011 10:55:42 GMT -5
If you look at ALL of Macklin's quotes in ALL the articles where he has commented about this, he makes it pretty clear that much of the reason he was not "in a position to be cared about" was at least in part because he did not put the work in.
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Post by aggypryd on Mar 27, 2011 20:37:52 GMT -5
Everyone has to find his way. If you can't do it at G'town, then go somewhere where you can. I think he would have been a more well-rounded player if he would have stayed, but I'm glad he enjoyed success down in Gainesville.
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