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Post by odufan757 on Mar 21, 2011 1:54:19 GMT -5
NCAA has an agenda to keep the casual March Madness viewer glued to the TV for buzzer beaters and upsets. big east teams were dominant in out-of-conference play this year but these "ticky-tack" fouls take the men out of basketball and hand sweet 16s to the boys. The only way a BE team can win is to have an over-sized guard (i.e., Kemba or a 3/swingman) who can drive and capitalize on the cheap fouls. Having the commentators in love with him also helps. it's like going from the NBA to international play--completely different styles, created to rob from the rich and give to the poor. Sorry guys, as a casual observer, I had to come over and read some of your thoughts about the CAA and VCU (being an ODU fan and all). I read this thread and just shook my head. You think there is a freaking conspiracy AGAINST the Big East? 11 of your 16 teams got in the tournament!! Not only that, the majority of them got very high seeds and fairly easy first round games! What else could they possibly do to help you? Let all 16 teams in? Try being a mid major or god forbid, even a low major like Morehead State. One loss late in the season on a neutral floor and your season is over. Sorry, no dance for you. VCU gets the last bid into the tournament and everyone and their mother says "its a joke, they don't deserve to be there, not better than Va Tech or Colorado!". BS. VCU is proving they belong. People said the same thing about George Mason the year they went to the Final 4. It's a load of crap. I'll tell you what, you let 11 CAA teams into the tournament (yeah, even the crappy ones like Towson and Northeastern) and you only let in 2 or 3 Big East and ACC teams and lets see who gets more teams to the final 4 in that scenario. The age of parity in college basketball is here. Too many teams with the resources to compete, too much good coaching, too many good players for one conference to claim so much dominance. The Big East has been exposed. Hell the BCS conference teams have basically been exposed. VCU, Richmond, Butler, BYU, San Diego St. are all in the Sweet 16. If at least one of those teams doesn't make the Final 4 I will be extremely surprised. The Big East is a hype machine. The Northeastern media loves to play up the home teams. ESPN is right in the middle of Big East country and those tv packages don't pay for themselves, ratings do. So they blow smoke up these teams arses all day long. Butler absolutely punched PItt in the mouth and they deserved to lose. VCU completely outplayed you guys (not trying to bash, just a fact), Mason beat Nova despite Nova actually looking solid for the first time in quite a while. A Big East conspiracy to get Big East teams OUT of the tournament after they gave you a record 11 teams IN the tournament? Please pass whatever you are smoking. Face it, other teams can play basketball, there is no conspiracy, just give some credit where credit is due. I would have thought splitting home and homes with a team like ODU over the last 4 years would have taught you that by now.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 21, 2011 2:12:34 GMT -5
Nice rant, odufan, based on one post from a very infrequent (27 posts total in 4 years) poster here. Move along now. Sorry guys indeed.
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Post by GPHoya on Mar 21, 2011 7:42:19 GMT -5
There is considerable merit in odufan's rant.
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Post by skyhoya on Mar 21, 2011 7:42:29 GMT -5
dan, your are not neutral, by the way, can you open my kid's account back up, it appears that since you stopped him from posting he has no way to get on line.
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Post by whipple on Mar 21, 2011 7:44:32 GMT -5
posts are important in this world . . . advertising money is more important in the NCAA tourney world . . . the refs are just trying to keep white-america entertained by artificially creating buzzer beaters
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Post by 757hoyafan on Mar 21, 2011 7:46:21 GMT -5
There is considerable merit in odufan's rant. .................
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 21, 2011 7:47:34 GMT -5
There isnt a conspiracy against the BE, but that rant is similarly ridiculous. The BE wasnt "exposed" and there isnt a hype machine that's any different than the 5 other major conferences. There is absolutely no credible argument that all 11 teams didnt deserve to make the tournament. But, there is nothing surprising about 8th seeded Mason beating 9th seeded Nova. You dont hear anyone ripping on ODU because they lost to Butler? Dan is right. Take that garbage some where else.
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Post by guru on Mar 21, 2011 8:12:41 GMT -5
posts are important in this world . . . advertising money is more important in the NCAA tourney world . . . the refs are just trying to keep white-america entertained by artificially creating buzzer beaters Wait. I had no idea non-white-america didnt like buzzer beaters. Tell us more o wise one. Actually, just take your racial garbage someplace else.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 21, 2011 8:22:20 GMT -5
dan, your are not neutral, by the way, can you open my kid's account back up, it appears that since you stopped him from posting he has no way to get on line. One cannot assume that what I post is 'neutral' simply because I serve as a moderator here. When I post with 'MOD:' at the start I am posting solely in that capacity. Otherwise, my posts are just like anyone else here: one person's opinion. I'm sorry about your 'kid' but you'll have to be more specific. Address any specific concerns you have in a PM to the Admin. There is considerable merit in odufan's rant. I do not disagree. My point may not have been made clearly enough because I did not attend law school: I was trying to make the distinction that not all us 'guys' agree with what whipple posted.
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Post by lichoya68 on Mar 21, 2011 9:39:20 GMT -5
ok i do not like doug gottlieb at all BUT he made an interesting point this am on espn 980 talk show he listed who is still dancing and pointed out we deserved 11 teams into the dance... the big east has great coaches but he and the other guy discussed the remaining teams left and went over probalble nba players and OOPS almost all had two or three adn even richmond has one.. only big east team with a great nba prospect was uconn and thats keemba maybe with lamb in the future.. hard to argue great TEAMS great LEAGURE and great coaches BUT not alot of nba players at big east teams this year not a lot.. i tought it was a fair point EVEN THO i dontlike mr. gottlieb too much interested in others thougths well not really cause ive moved on and rooting for the ladies and lax and bball GO HOYAS ONE AND ALL
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Post by bmartin on Mar 21, 2011 10:10:13 GMT -5
Even though VCU has shown that they are a very good team, they still did not deserve to be in the tournament after going 3-5 in February with bad losses against Northeastern, Drexel, and James Madison (on top of a horrible January loss to Georgia State) and finishing two games behind Hofstra in the regular season.
They played themselves out of the tournament by going from 18-5, 10-1 to 21-10, 12-6. Even the CAA tournament win over GMU should not have been enough to get them in.
Harvard had a better case for an at-large bid than VCU, and Harvard did not deserve one either.
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Post by Boz on Mar 21, 2011 10:18:57 GMT -5
Chuck is ripping on the BE right now, right in Rick P.'s face. He doesn't look all that happy about it, especially since Charles is barely making any sense. I hate it when Charles Barkley is right about things. On the plus side, I met a really nice stripper in New Orleans, so the weekend wasn't a total loss. They're salt of the earth, I tell ya'. There's no one better at easing the pain.
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Post by lichoya68 on Mar 21, 2011 11:18:21 GMT -5
and pre the notre dame game pittino guarnanteed barkley that notre dame would win and charles said nopt OOPS not wright on that one OUCH
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Post by EasyEd on Mar 21, 2011 18:58:01 GMT -5
PTI had an observation today that the city of Richmond has as many teams in the Sweet 16 as the entire Big East.
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Post by whipple on Mar 21, 2011 19:13:09 GMT -5
It's because Nike didn't refresh our uniform designs. WVU, Syracuse, Nova and Pitt too. Maybe St. Johns.
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 21, 2011 20:25:25 GMT -5
I also think there is much merit in ODUfan's rant, but there is no merit whatsoever in jumping on the entire GU fan base because one nutball posted some conspiracy nonsense.
The Big East this season was quite possibly the biggest tournament flop by a conference since the field expanded to 64 teams. Two teams made the Sweet 16 because they beat other Big East teams (thank you, Marquette), so that proves nothing. Aside from that, a 1 lost to an 8, a 2 got blown out by a 10, a 4 lost to a 13, and two 6's got blown out by 11's. Put it all together, and it's one big swan dive.
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Post by odufan757 on Mar 22, 2011 1:14:11 GMT -5
Apologies. Didn't mean to jump on you guys. I have nothing but respect for Georgetown's program and fans. You guys have shown real intestinal fortitude giving us a home and home over the last 4 years and we couldn't be happier about that. Was rooting for you guys to win it all when you went to the Final 4.
I think my problem was with the lack of people calling him out, but I agree with you, 1 guys craziness shouldn't dictate one's opinions on an entire fan base. There are a myriad of reasons the Big East is falling short in the tourney this year, but a "conspiracy" by the NCAA to get them out is probably last on the list as most Big East schools are located in and around major media markets and the less of teams from Philly, New York etc. does nothing to help tourney ratings.
Sometimes good teams just get beat. Hell, I thought ODU was a better team than Butler. I thought we were more talented at nearly every position. Then they hit a buzzer beater against us and a buzzer beater against Pitt and there they are in the Sweet 16 while we sit at home.
We beat both Richmond and VCU 3 total times this year and they are still dancing and we are not. Sometimes it just doesn't go your way lol.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 22, 2011 8:30:42 GMT -5
Agree with ODU partially. The BE was good all year but didn't have great teams. What made it tough this year is you would play six teams in a row who were all very good (top 37 teams thus tourney teams) but no one was dominant, even Pitt. The only smoke blowing occurs when people, JTIII included, hype up South florida, Depaul, SH, Rutgers as being good. Those teams were garbage this year and we all know it.
Our teams won some early OOC tourneys (us, UConn, etc.) and have good OOC records and the thing just snowballs from there. It happened for the Missouri Valley a few years back. We were good this year, not great, and we got beat by a team playing much better then us at this time of the year. There is no reason to analyze it any further.
BTW, I thought ODU would hammer Butler.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 22, 2011 8:36:38 GMT -5
BTW, I thought ODU would hammer Butler. Me too - but they fell victim to a Hoya foible: failing to box out on the weak side.
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Post by bronxhoya87 on Mar 22, 2011 9:04:57 GMT -5
Outside of Bronxitos' post...this is the best post Bronxie has read in a while! True indeed god! NCAA has an agenda to keep the casual March Madness viewer glued to the TV for buzzer beaters and upsets. big east teams were dominant in out-of-conference play this year but these "ticky-tack" fouls take the men out of basketball and hand sweet 16s to the boys. The only way a BE team can win is to have an over-sized guard (i.e., Kemba or a 3/swingman) who can drive and capitalize on the cheap fouls. Having the commentators in love with him also helps. it's like going from the NBA to international play--completely different styles, created to rob from the rich and give to the poor. Sorry guys, as a casual observer, I had to come over and read some of your thoughts about the CAA and VCU (being an ODU fan and all). I read this thread and just shook my head. You think there is a freaking conspiracy AGAINST the Big East? 11 of your 16 teams got in the tournament!! Not only that, the majority of them got very high seeds and fairly easy first round games! What else could they possibly do to help you? Let all 16 teams in? Try being a mid major or god forbid, even a low major like Morehead State. One loss late in the season on a neutral floor and your season is over. Sorry, no dance for you. VCU gets the last bid into the tournament and everyone and their mother says "its a joke, they don't deserve to be there, not better than Va Tech or Colorado!". BS. VCU is proving they belong. People said the same thing about George Mason the year they went to the Final 4. It's a load of crap. I'll tell you what, you let 11 CAA teams into the tournament (yeah, even the crappy ones like Towson and Northeastern) and you only let in 2 or 3 Big East and ACC teams and lets see who gets more teams to the final 4 in that scenario. The age of parity in college basketball is here. Too many teams with the resources to compete, too much good coaching, too many good players for one conference to claim so much dominance. The Big East has been exposed. Hell the BCS conference teams have basically been exposed. VCU, Richmond, Butler, BYU, San Diego St. are all in the Sweet 16. If at least one of those teams doesn't make the Final 4 I will be extremely surprised. The Big East is a hype machine. The Northeastern media loves to play up the home teams. ESPN is right in the middle of Big East country and those tv packages don't pay for themselves, ratings do. So they blow smoke up these teams arses all day long. Butler absolutely punched PItt in the mouth and they deserved to lose. VCU completely outplayed you guys (not trying to bash, just a fact), Mason beat Nova despite Nova actually looking solid for the first time in quite a while. A Big East conspiracy to get Big East teams OUT of the tournament after they gave you a record 11 teams IN the tournament? Please pass whatever you are smoking. Face it, other teams can play basketball, there is no conspiracy, just give some credit where credit is due. I would have thought splitting home and homes with a team like ODU over the last 4 years would have taught you that by now.
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