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Post by hoyatime on Mar 19, 2011 7:19:36 GMT -5
Look for the Board to close...when all else fails supress the news...much more offensive to principles of academic freedom than the vaunted 2M/year coaching staff.
Academic freedom? No one's closing and the news is on the front page.--Admin
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 19, 2011 7:52:12 GMT -5
I just feel bad for Julian. It's so hard to explain, but as I said above, the only explanation I have for the team's fizzle, aside from CW's injury, is just the the complete lack of inside game. You cant be a jump shooting team when you have no interior option. And, Julian just lost it down the stretch. Not only was he not scoring, but he was barely even getting touches or shots. Im sure no one feels worse about it than him.
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sweetness
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Post by sweetness on Mar 19, 2011 8:06:25 GMT -5
This quote says a lot because it highlights the fact that both players and coaches were awful last night...
“We thought they were going to make an adjustment, but they didn’t. I’m glad they didn’t,” said VCU’s Jamie Skeen, who wasn’t surprised by the margin of victory. “They actually started playing harder toward the end of the game.”
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Post by richfame on Mar 19, 2011 8:12:09 GMT -5
Now that we had a night to think about it I honestly never seen a team that pretty much every player completely regressed. It was really a total meltdown. Clark, Freeman, vaughn, Sims, Benemon, Lubick and JT3 were completely ineffective in there own ways.
I was very impressed with CW and HT's EFFORT last night. They were the lone Stars of the stretch run.
So what do you do about this program? Well you DO NOT fire the coach but he should come under fire I completely believe that. I also believe that if his last name was anything other than Thompson he would be catching a ton of heat. I think on many levels Thompson has done a bad job with the talent that he recruited.
All that being said we have a new class of kids coming in next year and a completely different team. If these end of the year meltdowns continue next year and the year after that Coach might not survive. Ultimately hes here to get to the final four not NIT or first round losses. Time will tell..
Tough up and down season.
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Post by ahoya2 on Mar 19, 2011 8:26:18 GMT -5
After returning from the Big East, I had a couple days off. Saw a replay of our National Championship game in '84-was there with my daughter who is now 38 and a Hoya '94 grad living in San Francisco. I had attended that and every other final four including the 1980 final 8 game in Philadelphia where we lost to Iowa.
The replay of that 84 game stimulated me to go back and look at tapes of all those previous games. One thing stands out. Each of those teams-1980, 82( North Carolina game in N0), '84. '85 and our last final four with JTIII-had deep, NBA level talent. IN '80-Big Sky Shelton and John Duren, '82-Sleepy, Patrick, Billy Martin; 84 and 85 -Patrick, Reggie, Martin, Michael Jackson, David Wingate. Recently-Hibbert, Green, and Somers. All were drafted in the first two rounds. No one on this team will get drafted.
I, like most others on this board, was very optimistic at the start of the season. In retrospect, it was the false hope of spring. The reality is that this team overachieved. Toward the end of the season, teams realized they could ignore the big guys on the pick and roll and just hang with our shooters. They played hard but the lack of athleticism and technique( except for Chris) lead to the weakest defense I have seen in a long, long time. Our inside game disappeared and only Lubick has a chance to be able to be a viable, feared option on the pick and roll. He also has the ability to hit the mid range jumper in the middle of a zone. Clark and Thompson are an outside presence and hopefully Starks can be a Big East point guard. (It should be pointed out all of our outstanding point guards in the past were contributors as Freshmen ). We have some good big men coming in. A rebuilding year next year but arguably the team will have more talent. Nothing wrong with a passing offense; it has worked well for us in the past and in other leagues( even pros). Just time for a reset
In the end, I must say that I really liked this team. I love the effort of the seniors and I will be there at the Basketball Awards Dinner to say my thanks.
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Post by oakhead on Mar 19, 2011 8:31:26 GMT -5
Whether it is the type of players recruited or the system being adapted or whatever, this is a crisis. In the relatively small but intense world of Hoya basketball, a real crisis. Whether JT3 needs to or will somehow acknowledge this to the fan base is dubious, he doesn't seem the type to do any "mea culpas". Fine, as the saying goes on my worn Ewing era ball cap: HOYAS, JUST DO IT. Because the status quo is absolutely unacceptable.
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Mar 19, 2011 8:35:01 GMT -5
we got outhustled.. out shot... couldnt hit threes ....couldnt defend the three.. yup thats it move move move and move on IS IT KENNER YET go hoyas and we freaking outrebounder them by like 12 OUCH go hoyas
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TC
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Post by TC on Mar 19, 2011 10:08:40 GMT -5
Whether it is the type of players recruited or the system being adapted or whatever, this is a crisis. In the relatively small but intense world of Hoya basketball, a real crisis. Whether JT3 needs to or will somehow acknowledge this to the fan base is dubious, he doesn't seem the type to do any "mea culpas". Fine, as the saying goes on my worn Ewing era ball cap: HOYAS, JUST DO IT. Because the status quo is absolutely unacceptable. I'm very satisfied with the status quo. Yearly appearances in the NCAA tournament, 20 wins, no scandals, players graduating, and a clear offensive gameplan and system. What is not to like about that? Single elimination tournaments are a crapshoot to an extent and only a fool would judge a program based on the performance of a single game.
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Mar 19, 2011 10:17:20 GMT -5
As someone said earlier, the sun came up this morn. And, in South Carolina the spring flowers and trees are blooming. Unselfish women and men are protecting our safety in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere. Many, many are suffering greatly in Japan, Libya, Egypt and many other places. And Harry is making progress in his great battle.
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Post by hoyahalffull on Mar 19, 2011 10:21:04 GMT -5
Whether it is the type of players recruited or the system being adapted or whatever, this is a crisis. In the relatively small but intense world of Hoya basketball, a real crisis. Whether JT3 needs to or will somehow acknowledge this to the fan base is dubious, he doesn't seem the type to do any "mea culpas". Fine, as the saying goes on my worn Ewing era ball cap: HOYAS, JUST DO IT. Because the status quo is absolutely unacceptable. I'm very satisfied with the status quo. Yearly appearances in the NCAA tournament, 20 wins, no scandals, players graduating, and a clear offensive gameplan and system. What is not to like about that? Single elimination tournaments are a crapshoot to an extent and only a fool would judge a program based on the performance of a single game. I agree that a single NCAA tournament game shouldn't (emphasis on shouldn't) outweigh the accomplishments of 30+ game seasons. However, for many, the NCAA tournament is the only college basketball that one sees all year. While JT III's recent NCAA track record is a glaring blemish on otherwise pretty successful seasons, it is what the non Georgetown fan, or even the casual Georgetown fan, sees. Twenty-point blowouts in the first round of the NCAA tournament. To many, that is Georgetown. The other "JT III" thread addresses this, but I figured I'd include this here just for clarity. JT III is our coach and I'm proud to have him as such. He is not and should not be going anywhere. I merely hope that he is able to get over the hump of this recent NCAA drought, and improves in this aspect of his coaching.
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Post by hoyahalffull on Mar 19, 2011 10:23:34 GMT -5
As someone said earlier, the sun came up this morn. And, in South Carolina the spring flowers and trees are blooming. Unselfish women and men are protecting our safety in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere. Many, many are suffering greatly in Japan, Libya, Egypt and many other places. And Harry is making progress in his great battle. Well put, EasyEd. Harry Saxa.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 19, 2011 10:28:35 GMT -5
Woke up this morning in Chicago after a mostly sleepless night. Sick feeling in my stomach really hasn't gone away yet...
Let me preface everything I say right now by saying this: I have often times gone to Georgetown games over the past decade and gone home disappointed or angry. That happens. But rarely, if ever, have I ever left a game embarrassed. Last night was embarrassing. Our basketball players were dominated in every facet of the game. Ditto for the coaching staff. And, quite possibly something I've never seen before at our game, our pep band and cheerleaders were shown up by their VCU counterparts repeatedly all night. It was such a poor performance from JTIII down to the last trombone player that I really started to hope VCU didn't decide to take up politics last night too. Complete and utter disgrace.
Obviously, aside from Hollis Thompson's offense and Chris finally sticking up for himself last night, there wasn't really any redeeming quality to last night's game. Concentration and focus wasn't there. Effort wasn't there (and for all you people who whine about people complaining effort, eff off). Inexcusable for a team that had 9 days to rest and prepare for this game to come out completely unprepared and unmotivated.
Now, don't get me wrong. I think JTIII should be our coach going forward, and he's done a good job during his tenure thus far. But there has to be something done to correct the mistakes we habitually make. That comes in the form of recruiting players who have some competent level of basketball IQ, some competitive spirit and some communication skills. It also comes in the form of putting your players in a position to win, making adjustments when necessary, and protecting your players when they are being taken advantage of by the officials. It's no longer just about getting a call here or there. It's about protecting your players so a) they don't have to protect themselves using a T, and b) they don't get injured. JTIII did not stick up for CW last night, and if I'm CW, that leaves a bad taste in my mouth as I head out the door.
The returning guys can spend the offseason sulking about what went wrong and ensuring they will repeat the same mistakes next year, or they can work hard this offseason, improve, and come back next year ready to compete again. I hope its the latter. But all we can do is hope.
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Post by MassHoya on Mar 19, 2011 10:31:10 GMT -5
Ed, thank you for giving us perspective.
Harry Saxa!!!
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Post by WilsonBlvdHoya on Mar 19, 2011 10:41:49 GMT -5
As someone said earlier, the sun came up this morn. And, in South Carolina the spring flowers and trees are blooming. Unselfish women and men are protecting our safety in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere. Many, many are suffering greatly in Japan, Libya, Egypt and many other places. And Harry is making progress in his great battle. Thanks Ed, great post!!
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Post by Hoya50 on Mar 19, 2011 11:09:58 GMT -5
As someone said earlier, the sun came up this morn. And, in South Carolina the spring flowers and trees are blooming. Unselfish women and men are protecting our safety in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere. Many, many are suffering greatly in Japan, Libya, Egypt and many other places. And Harry is making progress in his great battle. i'm not sure i follow your logic. if this is your argument, then why are you wasting time on the hoyas? after all, people are dying in japan and there must be a better way to spend your time.
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Filo
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Post by Filo on Mar 19, 2011 11:26:47 GMT -5
As someone said earlier, the sun came up this morn. And, in South Carolina the spring flowers and trees are blooming. Unselfish women and men are protecting our safety in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere. Many, many are suffering greatly in Japan, Libya, Egypt and many other places. And Harry is making progress in his great battle. i'm not sure i follow your logic. if this is your argument, then why are you wasting time on the hoyas? after all, people are dying in japan and there must be a better way to spend your time. You went to Georgetown and you are not bright enough to figure out his point? And what argument are you inferring from his post?
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HoyaFanNY
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Mar 19, 2011 20:04:10 GMT -5
over the course of the season, this team developed into a one trick pony. make the 3's and we compete, don't and we get run off the floor. the complete lack of anything inside or anyone willing to actually put it on the floor and go to the basket made this offense unwatchable the last month.
the difference in athleticism last night was amazing. not sure what can be done to turn it around. recruiting is a key but if III doesn't tweak his philosophy to fit the players does it really matter? it's obvious teams have adjusted to our offense but it seems III is content ramming his head into a brick wall over and over.
all night i kept asking myself how a team with 3 seniors and a junior starter can play like a bunch of junior varsity players.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Mar 22, 2011 16:34:43 GMT -5
Well, I guess my weekend was a lot better than most of you on this board, as my son got married on Saturday. The rehearsal dinner was right during the game, and their was no TV in our room, so I didn't get to see the fiasco (well, I did see the last five minutes, when all was about said and done). I didn't have to read this board over the weekend, so I could enjoy the festivities of the wedding.
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Post by bmartin on Mar 24, 2011 14:05:32 GMT -5
Went back and looked at the top individual performances in NCAA tournament games under JTIII. Roy was a great NCAA tournament player when the refs allowed him to play.
Scoring 28 Wright vs. Ohio 2010 26 Thompson vs. VCU 2011 22 Green vs. UNC 2007 20 Hibbert vs. OSU 2006 20 Summers vs. UNC 2007 20 Sapp vs. Belmont 2007 19 Green vs. OSU 2006 19 Hibbert vs. OSU 2007 19 Wallace vs. OSU 2007 19 Wallace vs. UNC 2007 19 Monroe vs. Ohio 2010 17 Cook vs. OSU 2006 17 Hibbert vs. N Iowa 2006 17 Hibbert vs. BC 2007 16 Thompson vs. Ohio 2010 15 Green vs. Florida 2006 15 Sapp vs. UNC 2007 15 Green vs. Vandy 2007 15 Summers vs. Vandy 2007 15 Wallace vs. BC 2007 15 Green vs. Belmont 2007
Double Doubles Hibbert 20 & 14 vs. OSU 2006 10 & 13 vs. Belmont 2007 17 & 12 vs. BC 2007 12 & 10 vs. Vandy 2007 13 & 11 vs. UNC 2007
Green 11 & 12 vs. BC 2007
Monroe 19 & 13 vs. Ohio 2010
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