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Post by bigelephant on Mar 2, 2011 8:30:53 GMT -5
bigelephant's only regret is that we would have been much better with him (except at the foul line) the past 2 years - but it wasn't meant to be. Good luck Vernon and thanks for not trashing us.
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Post by RDF on Mar 2, 2011 11:37:41 GMT -5
Things workout for best for everyone. Georgetown and players moved on but can't help but take great satisfaction in seeing Rivers stuck with that moron Tom Crean in Bloomington and the cult of weirdos that hang on his cry of "wait til the future....."-it's absurd. Talent or not-you still have Tom Crean as the ringmaster of that circus.
BTW--Rivers offensive game has gotten worse at Indiana--didn't think that was possible--but it has.
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Post by hifigator on Mar 2, 2011 14:23:09 GMT -5
skk wrote:
Well of course I cared what he did off the court.
I am saying he was a kid, and now he is saying he was a kid. I am attacking him because he cared more about what he did on the court than off. He did not care about his personal development at Georgetown. He just wanted the easiest way to get the minutes. And he was going to get the minutes if he embraced Georgetown, put the work in, and STAYED.
I don't see your point about on the court compared to off. Vernon didn't get in any significant trouble off the court did he? Ar you saying that his work ethic in practice was the problem? Among other things, he did suggest that he didn't work hard enough, but I don't consider that an "off the court" issue.
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Post by bigelephant on Mar 2, 2011 14:27:59 GMT -5
If you take BB out of the equation you have academics ( ?) if you take academics ( ?) out of the equation you have BB and Crean. If you take both out you have Bloomington, Indiana. Not a wise move Jerry.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Mar 2, 2011 19:03:23 GMT -5
you guys talk as if jeremiah rivers said something like "Georgetown BBall is garbage, and it held me back." As far as I know from the previous interviews, he just said the system was not right for him. Yes, some of you guys may point out that it was his lack of skills especially in ballhandling and shooting that hindered him and him not openly acknowledging that on interview (i mean who would do that ? I wasn't a good shooter so i didnt' get a playing time? no one would openly say that even if they are aware of their deficits) is what makes you guys trash jeremiah whenever he speaks.
Georgetown Priceton Offense is not right for every one, as it takes some high bball IQ. Some people just don't have high bball IQ like Jeff Green. Regarding Vernon Macklin transferring out of Georgetown to play under Bill Donovan's system where he can utilize more of his athleticism/size (since that was only thing he had when he came to Georgetown), nobody can blame his decision. He chose to transfer to somewhere where he can best utilize his naturally given bball abilities. Vernon is the man at Florida. The chance of him achieving that at Georgtown by last year seems quite slim to me.
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Post by 757hoyafan on Mar 2, 2011 21:48:07 GMT -5
Thank you! you guys talk as if jeremiah rivers said something like "Georgetown BBall is garbage, and it held me back." As far as I know from the previous interviews, he just said the system was not right for him. Yes, some of you guys may point out that it was his lack of skills especially in ballhandling and shooting that hindered him and him not openly acknowledging that on interview (i mean who would do that ? I wasn't a good shooter so i didnt' get a playing time? no one would openly say that even if they are aware of their deficits) is what makes you guys trash jeremiah whenever he speaks. Georgetown Priceton Offense is not right for every one, as it takes some high bball IQ. Some people just don't have high bball IQ like Jeff Green. Regarding Vernon Macklin transferring out of Georgetown to play under Bill Donovan's system where he can utilize more of his athleticism/size (since that was only thing he had when he came to Georgetown), nobody can blame his decision. He chose to transfer to somewhere where he can best utilize his naturally given bball abilities. Vernon is the man at Florida. The chance of him achieving that at Georgtown by last year seems quite slim to me.
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Post by RDF on Mar 3, 2011 0:38:55 GMT -5
Rivers trashed the program--and stated exactly what you said he didn't say. He talked as if he'd get to "showcase his game" at Indiana--and really went out of his way to be derogatory about Georgetown. He did same in response to Hoosier fans that asked about his little richardhead brother Austin and if he'd consider Indiana--and he acted like a jerk again.
Sometimes a kid of a celebrity is just a jerk. It happens. Rivers is one of those cases.
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Post by seaweed on Mar 3, 2011 7:54:20 GMT -5
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Post by bigelephant on Mar 3, 2011 8:34:11 GMT -5
The article did mention Omar shot 36 % from the 3 - is this really "quite good enough"?
And didn't III give him quite a bit of playing time?
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Post by superan on Mar 3, 2011 10:03:48 GMT -5
My only memory of Wattad was him pumping his fist for making a FT. Seemed a little bit over the top.
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 3, 2011 10:33:41 GMT -5
My only memory of Wattad was him pumping his fist for making a FT. Seemed a little bit over the top. Not if you're Vernon Macklin. ;D
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Post by RDF on Mar 3, 2011 11:25:16 GMT -5
Vee Sanford shoots over 60% from 3pt range on the team and is a better all around player and he has received far less of an opportunity then Wattad--so the point is?
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Post by tashoya on Mar 3, 2011 11:43:48 GMT -5
WATTADation has set in.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 3, 2011 16:14:22 GMT -5
I would ask for a definition, but it would probably get heavily edited!
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Post by wrestlemania on Mar 3, 2011 16:56:07 GMT -5
Rivers trashed the program--and stated exactly what you said he didn't say. He talked as if he'd get to "showcase his game" at Indiana--and really went out of his way to be derogatory about Georgetown. He did same in response to Hoosier fans that asked about his little richardhead brother Austin and if he'd consider Indiana--and he acted like a jerk again. Sometimes a kid of a celebrity is just a jerk. It happens. Rivers is one of those cases. Don't watch much IU hoops, but when I do he never seems to be on the court. I also recall that his father wanted him to stay at Georgetown. Interesting contrast with Vernon -- he seemed to have more support for his decision. Maybe that has something to do with why it worked out a little better.
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 3, 2011 16:58:44 GMT -5
you guys talk as if jeremiah rivers said something like "Georgetown BBall is garbage, and it held me back." As far as I know from the previous interviews, he just said the system was not right for him. Yes, some of you guys may point out that it was his lack of skills especially in ballhandling and shooting that hindered him and him not openly acknowledging that on interview (i mean who would do that ? I wasn't a good shooter so i didnt' get a playing time? no one would openly say that even if they are aware of their deficits) is what makes you guys trash jeremiah whenever he speaks. Georgetown Priceton Offense is not right for every one, as it takes some high bball IQ. Some people just don't have high bball IQ like Jeff Green. Regarding Vernon Macklin transferring out of Georgetown to play under Bill Donovan's system where he can utilize more of his athleticism/size (since that was only thing he had when he came to Georgetown), nobody can blame his decision. He chose to transfer to somewhere where he can best utilize his naturally given bball abilities. Vernon is the man at Florida. The chance of him achieving that at Georgtown by last year seems quite slim to me. If I remember correctly, this is exactly what Rivers did. He talked about how the system was holding him back and he preferred a game that showcased his offensive talents and what Georgetown runs does not allow a player to get into an offensive flow, blah , blah , blah. So not sure, but it sounds like a public thrashing to me? As for Vernon, completely different story and there is no comparison between the two IMO.
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Post by guru on Mar 3, 2011 17:00:26 GMT -5
you guys talk as if jeremiah rivers said something like "Georgetown BBall is garbage, and it held me back." As far as I know from the previous interviews, he just said the system was not right for him. Yes, some of you guys may point out that it was his lack of skills especially in ballhandling and shooting that hindered him and him not openly acknowledging that on interview (i mean who would do that ? I wasn't a good shooter so i didnt' get a playing time? no one would openly say that even if they are aware of their deficits) is what makes you guys trash jeremiah whenever he speaks. Georgetown Priceton Offense is not right for every one, as it takes some high bball IQ. Some people just don't have high bball IQ like Jeff Green. Regarding Vernon Macklin transferring out of Georgetown to play under Bill Donovan's system where he can utilize more of his athleticism/size (since that was only thing he had when he came to Georgetown), nobody can blame his decision. He chose to transfer to somewhere where he can best utilize his naturally given bball abilities. Vernon is the man at Florida. The chance of him achieving that at Georgtown by last year seems quite slim to me. If I remember correctly, this is exactly what Rivers did. He talked about how the system was holding him back and he preferred a game that showcased his offesnive talents and what Georgetown runs does not allow a player to get into an offensive flow, blah , blah , blah. So not sure, but it sounds like a public thrashing to me? As Vernon, completely different story and there is no comparison bwteen the two IMO. I happened to flip past the Florida game the other night, and caught Vernon being subbed for at the end of his last home game and getting a very nice ovation from the Gator crowd. I was happy for him. It's hard to believe he was even on that Final Four team, but I'll always have fond memories of everyone associated with that group. Seems like so long ago.
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Post by hifigator on Mar 3, 2011 18:06:46 GMT -5
One more comment on Macklin: Patric Young, who is a freshman big man who was highly recruited out of high school, praised Vernon for helping him develop his game. He said that he (Macklin) had gone through much the same thing, that being going from big man on campus to just another small fish in a big pond. He also said that Macklin sort of took a mentor role, much as guys like Roy had. The big guy is a good representative of both Florida and G'town. Now if he could only make free throws ...
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Post by tashoya on Mar 3, 2011 21:04:12 GMT -5
One more comment on Macklin: Patric Young, who is a freshman big man who was highly recruited out of high school, praised Vernon for helping him develop his game. He said that he (Macklin) had gone through much the same thing, that being going from big man on campus to just another small fish in a big pond. He also said that Macklin sort of took a mentor role, much as guys like Roy had. The big guy is a good representative of both Florida and G'town. Now if he could only make free throws ... Funny. Sounds exactly like a Georgetown big man. I'm glad it's worked out well for him.
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Post by tashoya on Mar 3, 2011 21:04:30 GMT -5
I would ask for a definition, but it would probably get heavily edited! Haha!
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