aggypryd
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 2,419
|
Post by aggypryd on Mar 6, 2005 18:08:28 GMT -5
Act like you've been there before...
And you plan on returning...
|
|
NCHoya
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 2,927
|
Post by NCHoya on Mar 6, 2005 19:52:57 GMT -5
I am not a proud UNC MBA by any means, but that display at the end of the game was ridiculous!!
I could not believe the #2 team in the country stormed their home court after beating an 8 point underdog by 2 points! what a joke!
|
|
RBHoya
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 4,134
|
Post by RBHoya on Mar 6, 2005 20:20:46 GMT -5
I think you guys and many others are too critical of fans storming the court. It was a great game, and it meant a lot to the fans after the loss earlier in the year. Plus, its UNC/Duke, so of course the game is tense and it feels great to get the win.
Spontaneous displays of emotion are what make sports great, ESPECIALLY college sports, where emotion and closeness to the team are what make the experience so awesome. The students wanted to celebrate a great win by running onto the court and congratulating their players. What's so embarassing about that? I dont think storming the court has to be about a huge upset win, its just what you do when you get a great win and youre filled with emotion. Nothing embarassing or unclassy about that.
|
|
|
|
Post by NickHoya215 on Mar 6, 2005 21:02:59 GMT -5
Stop being uptight about it. They beat their arch rival and say Gtown beat syracuse and they were in the same situtation as UNC i think the Georgetown Students would storm the court.
|
|
aggypryd
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 2,419
|
Post by aggypryd on Mar 6, 2005 22:38:17 GMT -5
Elite programs don't do that...
Their teams win because they expect them to...and when they do, they cheer...the band plays the alma mater...and everyone goes home...
|
|
RDF
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 8,835
|
Post by RDF on Mar 7, 2005 0:25:56 GMT -5
I raised an eyebrow too but when I found out it was for the ACC Title, I gave them a pass. And seeing they finally beat Duke for the first time in who knows when, I let the Whine and Cheese UNC fans have their fun without making too much crap of them. My question was why was that game that close?? Duke's okay but nothing special this season and UNC's supposedly God's Gift to Basketball, but they play so-so defense and when you get them in halfcourt, they take silly shots so they could be upset before making the Final 4 if they get a tough bracket. I'm guessing they'll get there based on talent and getting to play in Charlotte for the opening 2 rounds, but stranger things have happened.
|
|
RBHoya
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 4,134
|
Post by RBHoya on Mar 7, 2005 0:34:26 GMT -5
Elite programs don't do that... Their teams win because they expect them to...and when they do, they cheer...the band plays the alma mater...and everyone goes home... Blah... What fun is that? Come on, rushing the court is fun. Its one of the great things about college hoops. The thing that makes college basketball so great is the connection between the players and the fans, especially the student fans. They arent aloof multimillionaires like NBA players, they're guys from your sociology class and guys you see at the dining hall. A loud and lively crowd really does make a difference, often swaying a game one way or the other, which is why homecourt is so important in college hoops. And when you win a heartfelt game? You want to celebrate it, and these players will actually stand on the court and celebrate with you! College is hoops involves a lot of raw emotion, which is why it is arguably the best sport in America, IMO. Whether the win is big because the opponent is better than you, or the win is big because theyre a rival, or the win is big because the game was close, or any combination, a big win fills you with raw emotion. Why supress it if you dont have to? To me, saying "elite programs dont do that" sounds VERY pretentious. Everyone has their own perspective, but to me, if your full of emotion and rushing the court is fun for both the fans and the players, theres no reason to not. Its a great feeling to get a great win, and to simply listen to the alma mater and then warm up the car just seems boring. |
|
rccoleon
Bulldog (over 250 posts)
Posts: 448
|
Post by rccoleon on Mar 7, 2005 1:24:15 GMT -5
your NORTH CAROLINA! honestly as said above act like you have done it before. in fact by rushing the floor you showed Duke that you respect them more. i think rushing the floor is ridiculous unless in really extreeme circumstances like today when Ohio State won. Not when North Carolina beats DUKE AT HOME.
its only a matter of time until a massive brawl between students and players erupts after one of these ridiculous rushes.
|
|
FLHoya
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Proud Member of Generation Burton
Posts: 4,544
|
Post by FLHoya on Mar 7, 2005 2:00:19 GMT -5
It's funny that this movie was on Comedy Central this evening, because I think you can take a pretty solid philosophy about rushing the court from the film "Not Another Teen Movie".
In the scene right after Janey jumps into the pool at the party and then runs around crying, a kid in the crowd starts slow-clapping, leading to awkward silence. Then Melissa Joan Hart comes up to him and has this exchange:
"Look, you can't just start a slow-clap at any old time. You gotta wait for the right moment."
"But...how am I going to know when it's the right moment?"
"Oh, you'll know."
|
|
RBHoya
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 4,134
|
Post by RBHoya on Mar 7, 2005 2:40:55 GMT -5
your NORTH CAROLINA! honestly as said above act like you have done it before. in fact by rushing the floor you showed Duke that you respect them more. i think rushing the floor is ridiculous unless in really extreeme circumstances like today when Ohio State won. Not when North Carolina beats DUKE AT HOME. its only a matter of time until a massive brawl between students and players erupts after one of these ridiculous rushes. You guys are too worried about perception. Duke will know we respect them more, OH GOD NO!!!! IMO youre too worried about peoples perception of the program. Youre suggesting that we shouldnt rush because then it will make it seem like big wins are commonplace to outsiders. But who cares what anyone thinks? When you're full of emotion and wanting to celebrate with your team, I think its great. If you premeditate it, then its sorta dumb, but if the game just ends and its real exciting and you want to celebrate with the guys, I say go for it. I think you guys are trying to apply the Barry Sanders "flip the ball to the official and act like youve been there before" philosophy after touchdowns to rushing the court. End zone celebrations that are premedidated like those of Terell Owens or Randy Moss or Joe Horne are ridiculous and embarassing, but if you score a big touchdown in a big game and youre overcome with excitement, spiking the ball and celebrating with teammates is great. Thats what makes sports great to begin with, is the raw emotional content. Elite programs have fans who love their team and conduct themselves with class-- and if those fans want to celebrate with their players on the court after a big win, more power to them. I dont think any less of UNC for running onto the court. If the criteria is that it has to be a big upset, then a team like UNC could never rush the court, because theyll never be underdogs as a highly ranked team playing at home. Their fans are just pumped up about a big win, and as far as Im concerned, thats great and nothing to be ashamed of. |
|
aggypryd
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 2,419
|
Post by aggypryd on Mar 7, 2005 9:13:59 GMT -5
Blah... What fun is that? When we played Howard in the late 70s to mid 80s, back when the rivalry pretty much determined who was going to the 'Dance', just about EVERY game was like the Duke-Carolina game from yesterday... The fans cheered...The band played the alma mater... Everybody went either to a post-game party, or they went home... |
|
SirSaxa
Silver Hoya (over 500 posts)
Posts: 747
|
Post by SirSaxa on Mar 7, 2005 10:00:41 GMT -5
I think you guys and many others are too critical of fans storming the court. It was a great game, and it meant a lot to the fans after the loss earlier in the year. Plus, its UNC/Duke, so of course the game is tense and it feels great to get the win. Spontaneous displays of emotion are what make sports great, ESPECIALLY college sports, where emotion and closeness to the team are what make the experience so awesome. The students wanted to celebrate a great win by running onto the court and congratulating their players. What's so embarassing about that? I dont think storming the court has to be about a huge upset win, its just what you do when you get a great win and youre filled with emotion. Nothing embarassing or unclassy about that. At a time when we are praising our student section for their energy and excitement and trying to figure out how to build on the momentum from this year, I find it rather astonishing that anyone would criticize Tar Hell fans for rushing the court after beating Duke for the first time in umpteen attempts and winning the ACC title. Duke and Coach K get all the accolades all the time, while UNC won only 8 games two years ago. To come all the way back in such a short time and beat Duke after their excruciating last second loss last time... heck, if our HOYAS did something like that I would EXPECT our fans to rush the court. FAN ENTHUSIASM is what we WANT! I am with you RBHoya... 100%. |
|
tgo
Silver Hoya (over 500 posts)
Posts: 803
|
Post by tgo on Mar 7, 2005 10:53:56 GMT -5
RBHoya is right on, rushing the court is part of what makes college sports great.
In my opion fans do rush the court too often in hoops games thereby cheapening it but it is still called for in many circumstances. it has to be a really close game, and should either be against one of your biggest rivals or a huge upset.
a last second win against your biggest rival should always be a possible court rush, add in that it clinched a league title and you have a losing streak against them and you should be ashamed if you dont court rush.
elite programs my ass, so if you are usually good you shouldnt enjoy it anymore? that is lame. I guess i dont want to root for an elite program because their fans arent allowed to enjoy big wins anymore.
|
|
aggypryd
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 2,419
|
Post by aggypryd on Mar 7, 2005 11:09:15 GMT -5
If your program does not get the 'Creme of the Crop' athletes year-in and year-out, then certainly, rush the floor...
If UNC-Charlotte were to beat Carolina or Duke, then I would expect them to rush the floor...
You don't rush the floor after a game you EXPECT to win...except for maybe the National Title game, or Conference Championship game...
|
|
Buckeye70
Century (over 100 posts)
Posts: 135
|
Post by Buckeye70 on Mar 7, 2005 11:20:21 GMT -5
Not to be a contrarian -- first of all, know I TEXT hate TEXT North Carolina and most things A.C.C.,
but, c'mon, gang, this reacting to people spilling out on
the court is getting old.
It was a magical moment for those people, an impact
game that got big national publicity. As much as I dislike
the Tar Heels and their self-congratulatory tradition
(like no other...I would be tempted to root for the Taliban vs. Carolina), I think they have the right to celebrate the moment of a victory over their archrival.
Just one guy's thoughts. People in certain precincts are
getting their panties in a bunch over any and every victory. Our fans hit the court after wins over Pitt and Boston College at the Pavilion last month and I'd imagine that first big win over Syracuse or UConn at the M.C.I. might occasion the same outburst from Hoyas fans.
b70
|
|
HealyHoya
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Victory!!!
Posts: 1,059
|
Post by HealyHoya on Mar 7, 2005 11:39:18 GMT -5
Yeah, keep in mind too, that although UNC as a program has "been there before" , many of the current UNC students witnessing the game had not been there before (freshman, sophomores, transfers). Remember also, juniors and seniors at UNC lived through a few difficult years with Dougherty (sp?  ) at the helm. Or, maybe in their brief college tenures that's one of the better UNC-Duke finishes they will witness. Or, maybe those students were just incredibly pumped after their beloved school staged a rousing comeback against their most hated rival on their homecourt to secure the regular season conference championship, a #1 seed in the upcoming conference tournament and most likely a #1 seed in the NCAA Tourny. Good for the UNC fans, good for the Texas fans (over OK State), good for the Florida fans (over Kentucky), good for the Ohio State fans (over Illinois), and so on... "Act like you've been there before" is a meaningless line. It's what the losing team, and their fans, have to say. It means nothing. You and your program don't forfeit all your class by rushing the court. You know what "acting like you've been there before" means in the context of any UNC-Duke game? It means knowing the history of the rivalry, the importance of the game, the strength of school spirit...in short, it means knowing that rushing the court is totally appropriate. Always has been, always will be. Best rivalry in college sports. Hats off to the two programs. Let's work to get Gtown-'Cuse back to that level. The UNC fans, players and coaching staff -- as well as the fans, players and coaching staffs at all the schools that pulled out incredible wins this weekend -- aren't lacking in class because they stormed the court. They simply have -- and display -- the enthusiasm that makes college sports in general, and men's college basketball specifically, so great. Go Hoyas, beat the Pirates. [Duke sucks] |
|
aggypryd
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 2,419
|
Post by aggypryd on Mar 7, 2005 11:49:02 GMT -5
The UNC fans, players and coaching staff -- as well as the fans, players and coaching staffs at all the schools that pulled out incredible wins this weekend -- aren't lacking in class because they stormed the court. They simply have -- and display -- the enthusiasm that makes college sports in general, and men's college basketball specifically, so great. Go Hoyas, beat the Pirates. [Duke sucks] nobody said they lacked class... they beat a team they were supposed to beat... you storm the floor when you're a 13 - 16 seed and you win the game...not when your team consists of the bulk of the Micki D's all-Americans and you win the game... Act like you've been there... |
|
SirSaxa
Silver Hoya (over 500 posts)
Posts: 747
|
Post by SirSaxa on Mar 7, 2005 11:53:47 GMT -5
they beat a team they were supposed to beat... you storm the floor when you're a 13 - 16 seed and you win the game...not when your team consists of the bulk of the Micki D's all-Americans and you win the game... Act like you've been there... So if our HOYAS scored the last 11 points of the game to nip Cuse of UCONN and secure the Big East regular season title... you wouldn't want to rush the floor? You would criticize our fans who did? Come on... be real. Micki D's or not... it's still kids winning a big game, and it's exciting as hell. And I can't wait til T3 has us back winning those kinds of games! |
|
|
|
Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Mar 7, 2005 12:00:17 GMT -5
Just two quick things:
(1) Doesn't it seem like more and more fans are rushing the court these days in general? And for lesser triumphs than before? To me that speaks to society's lack of excitement and personal fulfillment for all its choices and opportunites. We spend so much of our lives these days being buttoned up and "on top of our game" that we're thirsty to let loose!
(2) All you law guys will appreciate this . . . I'm up here in NYC arguing at the Kaufman Securities Moot Court competition at Fordham, so I haven't had internet access for like 5 days. But, my team just won Best Brief and made the semis, so we get to have dinner with Posner and Easterbrook tonight, and we're all pretty stoked. So I log onto the board for the first time in like a week, and there's all this semantic back and forth about this and that, and the first thing I think is: "Mr. Chief Justice, may it please the court . . . " Man, this stuff sure sticks with ya!
GO HOYAS - see you all at the Big East!!!
|
|
aggypryd
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 2,419
|
Post by aggypryd on Mar 7, 2005 12:00:54 GMT -5
So if our HOYAS scored the last 11 points of the game to nip Cuse of UCONN and secure the Big East regular season title... you wouldn't want to rush the floor? You would criticize our fans who did? Sure wouldn't...and since the Hoyas don't get the bulk of the All-Americans, probably wouldn't sweat the fans for running onto the court... but we're not talking about the Hoyas...we're talking about the Heels...BIG difference... |
|
) at the helm. Or, maybe in their brief college tenures that's one of the better UNC-Duke finishes they will witness. Or, maybe those students were just incredibly pumped after their beloved school staged a rousing comeback against their most hated rival on their homecourt to secure the regular season conference championship, a #1 seed in the upcoming conference tournament and most likely a #1 seed in the NCAA Tourny.