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Post by nodak89 on Jan 28, 2011 23:32:55 GMT -5
So the right wingers who posted in this thread support Beck, Ailes and Fox and all the hate-filled venom the spew. You really think it is appropriate to accuse Americans of being, or acting like, or collaborating with....Nazis? And Nodak thinks T-bird is right, that we should not confront Beck? Just as many Americans once thought we should not confront Sen. Joe McCarthy (R. WI)? I'll clarify my thoughts by saying that Beck should be treated like an immature child. As an actual man he should absolutely know better, but he chooses to ignore the light in his soul. Rewarding him with attention is not likely to extinguish the behavior. I believe TBird is right that playing the victim fuels his narcissitic lust for wealth and fame through provocation of the darkest human impulses. Negative attention can be just as reinforcing as positive attention.
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Post by nodak89 on Jan 29, 2011 0:31:00 GMT -5
For the record, my knee-jerk response was...
Glenn Beck, you Orange Boeheim!!! You should just go straight to Syracuse!!!
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Post by SirSaxa on Jan 29, 2011 6:55:24 GMT -5
As much as I do not agree with Jon Stewart, he had it right. There's no reason to call anyone Nazis. And both sides do it. And really, my only problem with these rabbis is their disingenuousness. Why, in their letter, did they not ask for censure of Nancy Pelosi for calling the Tea Party "Brownshirts"? Why did they not ask for a reprimand for Rep. Steve Cohen? I daresay it's a little worse for our elected officials to be engaging in this kind of talk than it is for a TV/radio host, though it is wrong in both instances. You want me to take you seriously, rabbis? Show me you can see both sides and you are unilateral in your calls to stop this kind of behavior. Nice cop out Boz. So unless the Rabbis cite EVERY instance of anti-semitic or Nazi comments by ANYONE of ANY party, ANYWHERE, ANY TIME, you won't listen to their calling for Glenn Beck's censure and calling on Fox News to stop these destructive attacks? Is that it? And you can't see a difference between one, isolated poor choice of words, or one, lone congressman (who also deserves to be called out) having one instance of such talk.... and Beck/Fox's constant hammering away. Check out Dana Milbank's piece on this in Friday's W Post. www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/28/AR2011012802776.htmlAs for those who think Beck will just use the negative attention.. he undoubtedly will. But just as Joe McCarthy was allowed to continue his scurrilous campaign against innocent Americans for years until Ed Murrow, Joe Welch and others finally stood up to him -- it is long past time to demand that Rupert Murdoch take this nut job off the air. Attacking them where it hurts -- the WSJ and its many wealthy and highly influential readers -- is a good start.
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Post by fsohoya on Jan 29, 2011 7:28:28 GMT -5
As much as I do not agree with Jon Stewart, he had it right. There's no reason to call anyone Nazis. And both sides do it. And really, my only problem with these rabbis is their disingenuousness. Why, in their letter, did they not ask for censure of Nancy Pelosi for calling the Tea Party "Brownshirts"? Why did they not ask for a reprimand for Rep. Steve Cohen? I daresay it's a little worse for our elected officials to be engaging in this kind of talk than it is for a TV/radio host, though it is wrong in both instances. You want me to take you seriously, rabbis? Show me you can see both sides and you are unilateral in your calls to stop this kind of behavior. Nice cop out Boz. So unless the Rabbis cite EVERY instance of anti-semitic or Nazi comments by ANYONE of ANY party, ANYWHERE, ANY TIME, you won't listen to their calling for Glenn Beck's censure and calling on Fox News to stop these destructive attacks? Is that it? And you can't see a difference between one, isolated poor choice of words, or one, lone congressman (who also deserves to be called out) having one instance of such talk.... and Beck/Fox's constant hammering away. Check out Dana Milbank's piece on this in Friday's W Post. www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/28/AR2011012802776.htmlAs for those who think Beck will just use the negative attention.. he undoubtedly will. But just as Joe McCarthy was allowed to continue his scurrilous campaign against innocent Americans for years until Ed Murrow, Joe Welch and others finally stood up to him -- it is long past time to demand that Rupert Murdoch take this nut job off the air. Attacking them where it hurts -- the WSJ and its many wealthy and highly influential readers -- is a good start. I love how some people obsess over Beck while ignoring the gigantic beams in the eyes of so many "good" Dems and liberals who are, supposedly, our "leaders." Like, say, Rep. Jim Moran (D-VA), who casually just throws out crap like saying that Dems got slammed in November because so many Americans are racists: www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/48315.htmlThis would be funny were it not constantly used, along with the idea that anyone against big government basically hates -- or at least disdains -- just to name a few groups: minorities generally, children, the old, the poor... But that rhetoric -- which in many cases is essentially calling people Nazis without the guns -- is the kind of trash attacks many liberals use as a matter of course. It's hard to take the indignant reactions to Beck seriously while so many liberals constantly demonize anyone who might disagree with them.
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Post by Boz on Jan 29, 2011 10:44:54 GMT -5
So unless the Rabbis cite EVERY instance of anti-semitic or Nazi comments by ANYONE of ANY party, ANYWHERE, ANY TIME, you won't listen to their calling for Glenn Beck's censure and calling on Fox News to stop these destructive attacks? Is that it? Actually, yes. That is exactly right. If they want to call for a stop to this type of talk, they should call for a stop to it everywhere. Every instance. If it is not acceptable for Glenn Beck to make such allusions, it is not acceptable for ANYONE to make such allusions. And if Glenn Beck saying such things means he should be sanctioned or taken off the air, then any public officials saying such things means they should be censured or removed from office. Then, after that, we can start going after people who make fat jokes. (Sorry, just a little snark to illustrate that I don't really believe that saying these things should mean silencing the speaker. That is just as wrong.)
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 7, 2011 9:00:42 GMT -5
Can anyone be so outrageous, so wildly inaccurate and hyper-partisan, so mean-spirited and racist that even Fox "News" can't abide them? Apparently, and remarkabley, the answer is yes. Did all those prominent Rabbis, whom many dismissed as irrelevant, have more influence than previously thought? Did the splashing sound of all those sponsors jumping ship get Fox's attention? Fox "News" finally cancels Glenn Beck's "Fear Chamber". Why Glenn Beck lost it
Excerpts In banishing Beck, about whom I wrote a critical book last year, Fox has made an important distinction: It’s one thing to promote partisan journalism, but it’s entirely different to engage in race baiting and fringe conspiracy claims. Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity may have their excesses, but their mainstream conservatism is in an entirely different category from Beck.
Fox has rightly, if belatedly, declared that there is no place for Beck’s messages on its airwaves, and Beck will return to the fringes, where such ideas have always existed.
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Post by Boz on Apr 7, 2011 9:12:04 GMT -5
Fox "News" ... that's clever. I get it. Because the quotes mean it's not really a news organization. Right?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 7, 2011 10:11:19 GMT -5
It appears Fox's decision was primarily a business one--Beck's ratings were down, its audience skewed very old (only one quarter of his daily viewers were under 55) and the advertiser pushback was not something Roger Ailes was going to ignore, notwithstanding Beck's own advertising for backpacks of MRE foodstuffs.
At the end of the article, Dana Milbank makes a comparison between Beck and Rev. Charles Coughlin, the Detroit-based "radio priest" and among the first to leverage the media for a political soap box. For a while, Rev. Coughlin's call for opposing the New Deal on the grounds on social justice won a lot of fans, but then he fell into the quicksand of blaming "Jewish bankers" for America's troubles. Likewise, Beck's shows tied George Soros to every odd conspiracy, and further deteriorated in claiming that nefarious forces were working alongside fascists and communists in establishing a grand caliphate (never mind the historical difference between fascism and communism). He even claimed US bombers were told to avoid certain targets in Iraq because those targets would be tied to the emergence of the calphate.
At that point, Ailes probably called in the lawyers to arrange a buyout.
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Post by HoyaNyr320 on Apr 7, 2011 11:38:08 GMT -5
Fox "News" ... that's clever. I get it. Because the quotes mean it's not really a news organization. Right? Well when the "news" organization hosts a show that has content that might be considered extreme for community access television, let alone a cable news network, they deserve the quotes. Maybe the damage to their credibility was part of the reason for canceling Beck? Just a hunch.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 7, 2011 11:59:32 GMT -5
Well when the "news" organization hosts a show that has content that might be considered extreme for community access television, let alone a cable news network, they deserve the quotes. You're underestimating Ed Schultz. I have no doubt he'd be able to get a show on community access television.
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 7, 2011 12:45:37 GMT -5
Our federal government is literally one day away from ceasing operations, and this is what people are talking about.
Sign #846 that this country is terrible.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Apr 7, 2011 13:04:58 GMT -5
Our federal government is literally one day away from ceasing operations, and this is what people are talking about. Sign #846 that this country is terrible. Yet another massive earthquake (with tsunami to follow) strikes northeast Japan and people want to talk about the big vacay for federal employees. Sign #847.
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Post by The Stig on Apr 7, 2011 17:58:29 GMT -5
Our federal government is literally one day away from ceasing operations, and this is what people are talking about. Sign #846 that this country is terrible. Yet another massive earthquake (with tsunami to follow) strikes northeast Japan and people want to talk about the big vacay for federal employees. Sign #847. For what it's worth, all the federal employees I know are furious about this.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 7, 2011 18:45:24 GMT -5
Yet another massive earthquake (with tsunami to follow) strikes northeast Japan and people want to talk about the big vacay for federal employees. Sign #847. For what it's worth, all the federal employees I know are furious about this. I agree. How is Linda Sanchez going to survive?
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 7, 2011 19:25:09 GMT -5
Yet another massive earthquake (with tsunami to follow) strikes northeast Japan and people want to talk about the big vacay for federal employees. Sign #847. For what it's worth, all the federal employees I know are furious about this. As a federal employee who's dating a federal employee, I'm one of those people. And I agree that we as a nation seriously need to address the budget. But is this the rational way? I think not. Of course, it's the product of our democracy. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: democracy simply doesn't work.
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Post by EasyEd on Apr 8, 2011 10:17:08 GMT -5
If we elected Obama king, all of this would be over.
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 8, 2011 10:28:28 GMT -5
If we elected Obama king, all of this would be over. I like the many different ways that could be interpreted ;D
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