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Post by TBird41 on Jan 25, 2011 23:40:07 GMT -5
I agree that Obama's speech was short on the concrete, but he's dealing with the reality. Every time he proposes something concrete, certain folks in Congress refuse to allow a debate on it. The numbers on that do not lie. What he did tonight rhetorically was to set some goals and ask the people now controlling the House and who have slowed the wheels in the Senate to fill the gap. What I heard was a President asking people who claim to believe in personal responsibility to take personal responsibility. Contrast that with the doomsday talk from Ryan and the blame Obama stuff that was so 2010, and it is easy to see how the plan falls apart. Wait. So Obama gets to be short on concrete in his longer speech b/c he's offered solutions that the minority party in the Senate (I assume?) prevented from being debated (not sure exactly what proposals you are talking about here), but it's fair to criticize Ryan for giving a shorter speech that doesn't have a lot of details despite the fact that he's offered a concrete plan that was prevented by the Majority party in the House from being debated... Also..."that was so 2010"? Really?
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Jan 25, 2011 23:43:37 GMT -5
I don't give Obama a pass on the details, don't get me wrong. What I am saying is that the Republicans have an opportunity. I am not confident they'll make the most of it.
Fortunately, of the debates that took place since 2008, we now know that they saved industries, saved jobs, created over 1 million private sector jobs, etc. While I wish more was done, given where the country was at the end of 2008, I'll take it and be proud.
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Post by kchoya on Jan 25, 2011 23:48:13 GMT -5
I agree that Obama's speech was short on the concrete, but he's dealing with the reality. Every time he proposes something concrete, certain folks in Congress refuse to allow a debate on it. The numbers on that do not lie. What he did tonight rhetorically was to set some goals and ask the people now controlling the House and who have slowed the wheels in the Senate to fill the gap. What I heard was a President asking people who claim to believe in personal responsibility to take personal responsibility. Contrast that with the doomsday talk from Ryan and the blame Obama stuff that was so 2010, and it is easy to see how the plan falls apart. Wait. So Obama gets to be short on concrete in his longer speech b/c he's offered solutions that the minority party in the Senate (I assume?) prevented from being debated (not sure exactly what proposals you are talking about here), but it's fair to criticize Ryan for giving a shorter speech that doesn't have a lot of details despite the fact that he's offered a concrete plan that was prevented by the Majority party in the House from being debated... Also..."that was so 2010"? Really? Precisely. And if "blaming Obama" is so 2010, what about still blaming Bush?
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Jan 25, 2011 23:49:19 GMT -5
Who mentioned Bush in this thread?
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 25, 2011 23:50:30 GMT -5
Back to the speech--I forgot to mention that I really liked Obama's call for elite university's to let ROTC back on campus. Anyone know if Gtown has an ROTC program? Or do we force students in the ROTC to go to GW or AU?
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Post by Boz on Jan 25, 2011 23:52:37 GMT -5
I think it says something that people - here and on TV - seem more interested in talking about Ryan or Bachmann's speeches than the actual SOTU.
Just sayin'.
I am going to embrace the President's spirit of bipartisanship here and offer up the following:
Syracuse SUCKS!!!
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Post by strummer8526 on Jan 25, 2011 23:57:17 GMT -5
Back to the speech--I forgot to mention that I really liked Obama's call for elite university's to let ROTC back on campus. Anyone know if Gtown has an ROTC program? Or do we force students in the ROTC to go to GW or AU? I'm 99.9% sure we have a ROTC program. I was not close with anyone in it, but I'm sure I had classes with kids who were. I'm not certain that it was "GU's" ROTC program and not somehow affiliated with GW/AU, but I do think they did things on Copley Lawn (drills, I guess?). Also, the SOTU was far from the best speech the President has given. A few lines fell short, he stumbled a bit, and the airplane joke was a mess. But his message seemed pretty clear: if Republicans are willing to work with him—rather than just spend the next two years lobbing grenades and bags of flaming poop—there's ample room for compromise and some productivity. And yes, "investment" is "spending," in a sense. But I think we'd all rather see the government get people back to work, develop their job skills, repair and improve our infrastructure, and fuel some innovation, rather than sink more into unemployment and 20-year paid vacations for 65 year olds.* * How is raising the retirement age not the major component to fixing social security?
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 25, 2011 23:58:02 GMT -5
Back to the speech--I forgot to mention that I really liked Obama's call for elite university's to let ROTC back on campus. Anyone know if Gtown has an ROTC program? Or do we force students in the ROTC to go to GW or AU? Looks like Gtown has an Army ROTC battalion that pulls students from all the DC colleges and that the other schools host the Navy and Air Force ROTC battalions. rotc.georgetown.edu/
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Jan 26, 2011 0:50:15 GMT -5
Nobody gave a good speech tonight.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 26, 2011 9:28:13 GMT -5
Brilliant sloganeering by POTUS' speechwriters...
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Post by kchoya on Jan 26, 2011 11:50:02 GMT -5
Who mentioned Bush in this thread? No one on here is blaming Bush. Just like no one on here is blaming Obama. We're talking about politicians blaming other politicians. Stop being deliberately obtuse.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 26, 2011 12:39:41 GMT -5
I had two friends who were ROTC at GU in the late 90s - one Navy, one Air Force. I think it was as the other poster said -- a joint effort -- because I think the Air Force one referred to having to go off campus a lot.
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Post by kchoya on Jan 26, 2011 12:49:55 GMT -5
I had two friends who were ROTC at GU in the late 90s - one Navy, one Air Force. I think it was as the other poster said -- a joint effort -- because I think the Air Force one referred to having to go off campus a lot. That was always my understanding - Air Force was at one campus elsewhere in DC, Navy at another (GW?), etc.
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 26, 2011 13:05:09 GMT -5
I'm surprised that someone (Slate?) hasn't come out with a generic SOTU speech to see how close it is to the real thing. "The economy was down but it's showing signs of improving" "The stimulus was great. Here's one small business helped by the stimulus that proves the billions were worth it" "Rep. Giffords is nice. Let's all be nice to each other." "I love the troops" "Where's Alito? Blah Blah Blah I'm surprised someone hasn't come up with a generic board reaction to the speeches giving (ahead of time) what the reactions would be by TC, EasyEd, Ambassador, Boz, etc. On a related item, oh s__t:
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Post by SoCalHoya on Jan 26, 2011 14:03:27 GMT -5
I had two friends who were ROTC at GU in the late 90s - one Navy, one Air Force. I think it was as the other poster said -- a joint effort -- because I think the Air Force one referred to having to go off campus a lot. My recollection was that Navy was hosted by GWU, Air Force by someone else (American?) and the Army ROTC unit was at Georgetown. That may have changed, but I do remember seeing the Army ROTC office on the Hilltop. I had three Navy ROTC friends and they were always making the hike down to GWU.
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Post by strummer8526 on Jan 26, 2011 14:37:10 GMT -5
On a related item, oh s__t: Someone says that someone else said something that he has no way of personally knowing? I'm convinced!
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Post by CTHoya08 on Jan 26, 2011 15:05:56 GMT -5
Army is at GU, Navy at GWU, Air Force at Howard.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 26, 2011 15:53:22 GMT -5
The options for Social Security:
1. Increase funding (which I think we're all against)
2. Cut payouts in some manner (less paid out, higher retirement age, moving from entitlement to a welfare-style program - and yes, this would include scrapping it)
3. The Soylent Green solution
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 26, 2011 15:56:20 GMT -5
The options for Social Security: 1. Increase funding (which I think we're all against) 2. Cut payouts in some manner (less paid out, higher retirement age, moving from entitlement to a welfare-style program - and yes, this would include scrapping it) 3. The Soylent Green solution Now all we need is a convenient food shortage...I mean...ummm...hey look no birth certificate! ;D
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Post by HoyaNyr320 on Jan 26, 2011 16:54:04 GMT -5
I'm surprised that someone (Slate?) hasn't come out with a generic SOTU speech to see how close it is to the real thing. "The economy was down but it's showing signs of improving" "The stimulus was great. Here's one small business helped by the stimulus that proves the billions were worth it" "Rep. Giffords is nice. Let's all be nice to each other." "I love the troops" "Where's Alito? Blah Blah Blah I'm surprised someone hasn't come up with a generic board reaction to the speeches giving (ahead of time) what the reactions would be by TC, EasyEd, Ambassador, Boz, etc. On a related item, oh s__t: Sorry to burst your bubble: www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/26/celebrity-journalist-says-he-never-talked-hawaii-governor-obama-birth/I don't want this thread to become another stupid birther thread, but I find it tiring that seemingly sane conservatives bring up the cause of the wacko element of their movement every now and again. Its this element (see: Michelle Bachmann) that will lead the charge against compromise and getting things done this year. There's an obvious insidiousness when it comes to these claims.
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