Devonta Pollard '12

[mfk24]

Mar 25, 2012 15:53:37 GMT -5 cosmopolitanhoya said:

Mar 25, 2012 13:15:41 GMT -5 daymondmyles said:

Cosmo, are you a Cuse fan or something? First you talk about he benefits of other programs for big men in the Noel thread and now you say that pollard may not be a good fit here.

Dan, please take an action toward these type of posts that do not belong on this thread. These are the type of posts that are uncalled for, and are very detrimental to perception of this message board to outsiders

To answer your question though: No, just stating an objective view in a different angle. How is my opinion of Pollard not fitting well with Georgetown has anything to do with me being a fan for Cuse? Many describe him as an athletic freak, but we have a plenty of 3s and 4s, and it was my humble opinion that his skills may be a bit raw (lack of shooting skills, does he have high bball IQ etc.) that he may not be a fit here. I did acknowledge that if he does have a high skill set and has high bball IQ to understand our offense system, he will complexly add a new dimension to our offense - are you even reading my posts before calling me out?

Benefits of other schools? Did I ever say what kind of benefits Pollard or NN will have at other schools? All I said was big men can be developed elsewhere and you have put words into my mouth that I praise Syracuse develops the best big men in the country and thus, he needs to go there? When did I ever say that?

Haha...how old are you tattle-tailing to Dan?! No one is saying bigs don't develop elsewhere, they're saying bigs don't develop at 'Cuse. Bill Self has done a good job with bigs at Kansas, UNC, Kentucky, Steve Lavin has gotten quite a bit out of God's Gift Achua, heck you could even throw Duke in there if you wanted to, but 'Cuse?? Gimme a break. Using Fab Melo as your example shows how much you know about basketball. The kid has no offensive game outside of dunks and putbacks and gets by on size alone to block shots and flops like a feather to draw charges. He's 7 feet tall!!! He hasn't developed ANY post moves, in fact, the times I've seen him try to do something offensively, his own teammates give him a tongue lashing about the air ball he just threw up or the brick that clanged off the backboard.

PE2 wasn't a program changer at IU either, IU stunk at the time anyway! On Pollard, with his athleticism, he could do all the things people have wanted Hollis to do from the jump. He could drive to the basket and throw down, hit an outside jumper, post up. An athletic guy with size fits exactly into our offense.

The types of players that don't fit, are guys that need to have the ball in their hands at all times, guys that don't know how to play without the ball, perfect example...Russ Smith for Louisville, he has to have to ball in his hands, he's a scorer plain and simple and can't facilitate.

[tonyparker]

Again, Pollard a five star player, McDonald's All-American is visiting Georgetown in a couple of weeks. Let's keep this on-topic.

[cosmopolitanhoya]

Mar 25, 2012 16:20:08 GMT -5 mfk24 said:

Mar 25, 2012 15:53:37 GMT -5 cosmopolitanhoya said:

Dan, please take an action toward these type of posts that do not belong on this thread. These are the type of posts that are uncalled for, and are very detrimental to perception of this message board to outsiders

To answer your question though: No, just stating an objective view in a different angle. How is my opinion of Pollard not fitting well with Georgetown has anything to do with me being a fan for Cuse? Many describe him as an athletic freak, but we have a plenty of 3s and 4s, and it was my humble opinion that his skills may be a bit raw (lack of shooting skills, does he have high bball IQ etc.) that he may not be a fit here. I did acknowledge that if he does have a high skill set and has high bball IQ to understand our offense system, he will complexly add a new dimension to our offense - are you even reading my posts before calling me out?

Benefits of other schools? Did I ever say what kind of benefits Pollard or NN will have at other schools? All I said was big men can be developed elsewhere and you have put words into my mouth that I praise Syracuse develops the best big men in the country and thus, he needs to go there? When did I ever say that?

Haha...how old are you tattle-tailing to Dan?! No one is saying bigs don't develop elsewhere, they're saying bigs don't develop at 'Cuse. Bill Self has done a good job with bigs at Kansas, UNC, Kentucky, Steve Lavin has gotten quite a bit out of God's Gift Achua, heck you could even throw Duke in there if you wanted to, but 'Cuse?? Gimme a break. Using Fab Melo as your example shows how much you know about basketball. The kid has no offensive game outside of dunks and putbacks and gets by on size alone to block shots and flops like a feather to draw charges. He's 7 feet tall!!! He hasn't developed ANY post moves, in fact, the times I've seen him try to do something offensively, his own teammates give him a tongue lashing about the air ball he just threw up or the brick that clanged off the backboard.

PE2 wasn't a program changer at IU either, IU stunk at the time anyway! On Pollard, with his athleticism, he could do all the things people have wanted Hollis to do from the jump. He could drive to the basket and throw down, hit an outside jumper, post up. An athletic guy with size fits exactly into our offense.

The types of players that don't fit, are guys that need to have the ball in their hands at all times, guys that don't know how to play without the ball, perfect example...Russ Smith for Louisville, he has to have to ball in his hands, he's a scorer plain and simple and can't facilitate.

Haha, I am just trying to get on the low level as many of you guys are, always belittling other programs and lashing out at others who have different opinions from you guys. Why, do I sound like a 7 years old? Cuz I am certainly acting on that level to match someone like you here.

I never said Fab Melo has so much skills, and Cuse made him a God of basketball. As RDF mentioned though, he is good at finishing at rim - which Sims / Vaughn both failed at. Sure, he does not have any post moves or what not, but he did make a jump from last year to this year that does not come from simply just playing a lot more minutes.

Me using Melo as an example shows that I don't know basketball? I am using Melo as an example because he currently plays at the position that NN plays at

As of Pollard, the things you said he is capable of doing have to have a basis that he can understand our offensive system first. By watching bunch of his youtube videos, do you just blindly believe that he will be instantly better than Hollis Thompson once he comes here? Do your hw before you come back at me please.

Back to the topic of recruiting on Pollard - I do also hope that he comes here, I mean adding another MCD AA cannot hurt, but my belief stands that he is not the most important piece to our system. Just as RDF said, we need a better PG and a center where the offense will run through.

[idhoya]

Scout says he has set up 2 visits. Anyone know to where?

[idhoya]

Scout says he has set up 2 visits. Anyone know to where?

[tonyparker]

Alabama and Georgetown (see previous page).

[FrazierFanatic]

Mar 25, 2012 16:25:08 GMT -5 tonyparker said:

Again, Pollard a five star player, McDonald's All-American is visiting Georgetown in a couple of weeks. Let's keep this on-topic.

Please. Seems encouraging that we will get the last visit, especially since some suggested he would decide without visiting us. April in Dc is beautiful! Get him in and sell him the Hoya program.

[cosmopolitanhoya]

We do seem to do pretty well whenever we get official visits - he is picking the best time to visit us for sure haha.

[idhoya]

Sorry. Missed it tp. Thanx

[mfk24]

Mar 25, 2012 16:32:02 GMT -5 cosmopolitanhoya said:

Mar 25, 2012 16:20:08 GMT -5 mfk24 said:

Haha...how old are you tattle-tailing to Dan?! No one is saying bigs don't develop elsewhere, they're saying bigs don't develop at 'Cuse. Bill Self has done a good job with bigs at Kansas, UNC, Kentucky, Steve Lavin has gotten quite a bit out of God's Gift Achua, heck you could even throw Duke in there if you wanted to, but 'Cuse?? Gimme a break. Using Fab Melo as your example shows how much you know about basketball. The kid has no offensive game outside of dunks and putbacks and gets by on size alone to block shots and flops like a feather to draw charges. He's 7 feet tall!!! He hasn't developed ANY post moves, in fact, the times I've seen him try to do something offensively, his own teammates give him a tongue lashing about the air ball he just threw up or the brick that clanged off the backboard.

PE2 wasn't a program changer at IU either, IU stunk at the time anyway! On Pollard, with his athleticism, he could do all the things people have wanted Hollis to do from the jump. He could drive to the basket and throw down, hit an outside jumper, post up. An athletic guy with size fits exactly into our offense.

The types of players that don't fit, are guys that need to have the ball in their hands at all times, guys that don't know how to play without the ball, perfect example...Russ Smith for Louisville, he has to have to ball in his hands, he's a scorer plain and simple and can't facilitate.

Haha, I am just trying to get on the low level as many of you guys are, always belittling other programs and lashing out at others who have different opinions from you guys. Why, do I sound like a 7 years old? Cuz I am certainly acting on that level to match someone like you here.

I never said Fab Melo has so much skills, and Cuse made him a God of basketball. As RDF mentioned though, he is good at finishing at rim - which Sims / Vaughn both failed at. Sure, he does not have any post moves or what not, but he did make a jump from last year to this year that does not come from simply just playing a lot more minutes.

Me using Melo as an example shows that I don't know basketball? I am using Melo as an example because he currently plays at the position that NN plays at

As of Pollard, the things you said he is capable of doing have to have a basis that he can understand our offensive system first. By watching bunch of his youtube videos, do you just blindly believe that he will be instantly better than Hollis Thompson once he comes here? Do your hw before you come back at me please.

Back to the topic of recruiting on Pollard - I do also hope that he comes here, I mean adding another MCD AA cannot hurt, but my belief stands that he is not the most important piece to our system. Just as RDF said, we need a better PG and a center where the offense will run through.

Listen, I have a neuroscience exam to study for so I don't really have the time to argue with you. I never said Pollard was the most important piece to our success. I also never said that I expected him to be better than Hollis, just that he could do the things that people expected Hollis to be able to do. So now who's putting words in who's mouth?

I made a few points:

1. It was pretty childish of you to ask for Dan to stop people from picking on your sometimes silly posts.

2. Pollard would fit just as well in to our system as any other. I'll agree that a high basketball IQ is necessary to learn the system but I will also counter that the system isn't rocket science. If you put in the work, you can learn it just fine. Not many programs run a similar type of offense so the coaches make their best guess as to whether or not a player will fit, JTIII seems to think he'll fit just fine, so I trust his opinion on that.

3. I agreed that big men can develop elsewhere, even gave a few programs where I thought they could be successful and countered with my opinion of Cuse development of big men. We'll have to agree to disagree on Melo because IMO he's a lighter version of the same guy from last year. To me it looks like he and Keita switched places and the points and rebs Kieta got last year, Melo got this year because one was riding the pine more than the other. Sims and Vaughn could have been coached by Ewing himself and I don't think they would have finished better around the rim. Sims was too slight w/ not enough hops and Vaughn had the size but not the lift. Somethings can't be taught.

I'm all for different opinions when there is validity behind them. You sir...I'm not real sure about. Congrats to the staff for getting this guy on campus. Hopefully he clicks with the coaching staff and the guys on the team and we can seal the deal.

[idhoya]

They see him as tony Mitchell without the headaches.

[hoyazeke]

If DeVonta has a mean streak attacking the rim I do believe he will be better than Hollis when he gets here. He cant possibly be a worst finisher at the rim than Hollis. I think he would instantly be our backup at the 3. My biggest question is his willingness to play GTown D. The few tubes Ive seen show him being a pretty lazy defender...........

[purplefilms]

I think Devonta does have a (competitive) mean streak.

[hoyazeke]

I made a few points:

1. It was pretty childish of you to ask for Dan to stop people from picking on your sometimes silly posts.

2. Pollard would fit just as well in to our system as any other. I'll agree that a high basketball IQ is necessary to learn the system but I will also counter that the system isn't rocket science. If you put in the work, you can learn it just fine. Not many programs run a similar type of offense so the coaches make their best guess as to whether or not a player will fit, JTIII seems to think he'll fit just fine, so I trust his opinion on that.

3. I agreed that big men can develop elsewhere, even gave a few programs where I thought they could be successful and countered with my opinion of Cuse development of big men. We'll have to agree to disagree on Melo because IMO he's a lighter version of the same guy from last year. To me it looks like he and Keita switched places and the points and rebs Kieta got last year, Melo got this year because one was riding the pine more than the other. Sims and Vaughn could have been coached by Ewing himself and I don't think they would have finished better around the rim. Sims was too slight w/ not enough hops and Vaughn had the size but not the lift. Somethings can't be taught.

I'm all for different opinions when there is validity behind them. You sir...I'm not real sure about. Congrats to the staff for getting this guy on campus. Hopefully he clicks with the coaching staff and the guys on the team and we can seal the deal.
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Agree with all that you said but the bolded quote. In high school most coaches run some variation of a motion O. Most are simple because you only have one option. As a wing in HS, I either received a pass from the PG on the wing or I went backdoor. If I didnt get the ball for a layup I would then set a screen for the opposite post. The post players would do there exchanges and if we didnt get a layup or a elbow J we would set up and do it all over again. In theory. Most times the coaches were lucky if we ran it once. I was famous for running my own drive and kick O........ ;D

[HoyasAreHungry]

Glad we're finally getting the rescheduled official. Hopefully we can overcome the distance thing because without it I'd feel decently good about our chances. Get it done Kirby/III. Make momma pollard see devonta will be in good hands!

[idhoya]

Do we NEED Pollard, no. But this why he is a fit and why the staff loves him. From Jerry Meyer (Rivals):

A multidimensional lefty, Pollard has a strong post up game and is a force on the offensive boards. He is also effective in the high post as a scorer and passer and can defend multiple positions.

Seems like a fit to me.

[Yaboynyp]

Mar 25, 2012 19:16:37 GMT -5 idhoya said:

Do we NEED Pollard, no. But this why he is a fit and why the staff loves him. From Jerry Meyer (Rivals):

A multidimensional lefty, Pollard has a strong post up game and is a force on the offensive boards. He is also effective in the high post as a scorer and passer and can defend multiple positions.

Seems like a fit to me.

Sounds perfect.. plus he’ll dunk on your head in a moments notice.. Sign him up...

[cosmopolitanhoya]

Mar 25, 2012 16:59:14 GMT -5 mfk24 said:

Mar 25, 2012 16:32:02 GMT -5 cosmopolitanhoya said:

Haha, I am just trying to get on the low level as many of you guys are, always belittling other programs and lashing out at others who have different opinions from you guys. Why, do I sound like a 7 years old? Cuz I am certainly acting on that level to match someone like you here.

I never said Fab Melo has so much skills, and Cuse made him a God of basketball. As RDF mentioned though, he is good at finishing at rim - which Sims / Vaughn both failed at. Sure, he does not have any post moves or what not, but he did make a jump from last year to this year that does not come from simply just playing a lot more minutes.

Me using Melo as an example shows that I don't know basketball? I am using Melo as an example because he currently plays at the position that NN plays at

As of Pollard, the things you said he is capable of doing have to have a basis that he can understand our offensive system first. By watching bunch of his youtube videos, do you just blindly believe that he will be instantly better than Hollis Thompson once he comes here? Do your hw before you come back at me please.

Back to the topic of recruiting on Pollard - I do also hope that he comes here, I mean adding another MCD AA cannot hurt, but my belief stands that he is not the most important piece to our system. Just as RDF said, we need a better PG and a center where the offense will run through.

Listen, I have a neuroscience exam to study for so I don't really have the time to argue with you. I never said Pollard was the most important piece to our success. I also never said that I expected him to be better than Hollis, just that he could do the things that people expected Hollis to be able to do. So now who's putting words in who's mouth?

I made a few points:

1. It was pretty childish of you to ask for Dan to stop people from picking on your sometimes silly posts.

2. Pollard would fit just as well in to our system as any other. I'll agree that a high basketball IQ is necessary to learn the system but I will also counter that the system isn't rocket science. If you put in the work, you can learn it just fine. Not many programs run a similar type of offense so the coaches make their best guess as to whether or not a player will fit, JTIII seems to think he'll fit just fine, so I trust his opinion on that.

3. I agreed that big men can develop elsewhere, even gave a few programs where I thought they could be successful and countered with my opinion of Cuse development of big men. We'll have to agree to disagree on Melo because IMO he's a lighter version of the same guy from last year. To me it looks like he and Keita switched places and the points and rebs Kieta got last year, Melo got this year because one was riding the pine more than the other. Sims and Vaughn could have been coached by Ewing himself and I don't think they would have finished better around the rim. Sims was too slight w/ not enough hops and Vaughn had the size but not the lift. Somethings can't be taught.

I'm all for different opinions when there is validity behind them. You sir...I'm not real sure about. Congrats to the staff for getting this guy on campus. Hopefully he clicks with the coaching staff and the guys on the team and we can seal the deal.

Everyone has a busy life, so don't just make it sound like your time is too precious when you called me out at the first place w/o basis.

1) Yes it's childish, but i decided to give a childish response to childish posts - for just having an opinion that bigs can be developed elsewhere and Melo made a stride, people started jeering at me, calling me out by putting words into my mouth, and associated me as a Syracuse fan. When you guys make fun of Syracuse and their low class all the time, do you guys think you guys are acting with bit more class here? But it's the same group of people that bashed our own student athletes and called them "disgrace" after our last year's tournament loss. I called Dan to moderate this board to prevent this from becoming a total litter of people throwing bashes at each other, but I guess he does not care as long as we don't call each other neanderthals or d*****. Not even RDF, who is often very critical of my posts, has bashed me here, but simply stated his differing opinion of Fab Melo's improvement.

2) That's your opinion that Pollard will fit anywhere. People said that about Moses. People said that about Vernon. The bottom line is no one knows until the kid actually gets here. The scouting reports describe as an athletic freak, but nothing about his Bball IQ. All I said was one could struggle here if you don't understand the system, just as many others have pointed out. You put work into it and it just works? Really? Then you have a different opinion of our system from many people here.

3) W/o Melo during the regular season, Cuse lost their first game after going undefeated, and nearly lost few others or was very close game. W/o Melo, Cuse almost lost to 16th seed. I am pretty sure here, and many of us will agree that had Melo not come back from his academic suspension in game against us, we would have beaten them easily. He scored double digits, had like 7 blocks (too lazy to check stats) and took important charges (the ones we called HOMECOOKING). You talk as if Melo makes 0 difference to the Cuse team. So Rakeem played as good as Melo while he was gone and that's why they struggled without him? We will agree to disagree.

Bottom line: I am down to explain my perspective, but there is no need to throw punches here and there. This message board is meant to share different opinions. RDF has shown some class by expressing his opinion that is different from me with a reasonable basis and I think I have responded to it reasonably as well, agreeing and disagreeing. Feel free to question the validity of my statements, but show some class as someone who represents Georgetown on internet. Thanks.

[chep3]

Dude cosmo, look up two posts above yours. id referenced a scouting report describing Pollard as a guy who can operate out of the high post as a scorer and a passer, a good offensive rebounder, and a great defender. How is that not germane to his fit here?

And, wrt Melo, I don't see space between yours and the majority position. Sure, the dude can do some things on the basketball court. The question is, does he get more out of his talent than he would have some place else. A 7 footer with his athleticism will always be able to block shots, get putbacks, and play defense. He does that. Anyone who disagrees is just wrong. But a 7 footer with 2 years in college should also have developed an offensive move. Not sure he has yet. That's what people are pointing to. Not that he's not a decent player, but that he should be so much better.

[thejerseytornado]

CAN WE STOP TALKING ABOUT FAB MELO?!?! he's not a hoya. crap, he's not even playing college basketball. the recruiting forum, normally, is a bastion of not getting into Editeding wars (save a couple...special...posters). don't make it that.