lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 21, 2011 7:25:33 GMT -5
SIGNED but why arent there 6000 plus student signatures COME ON BLUE get the vote out its about MORE than bball.. go hoyas ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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seaweed
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Post by seaweed on Jan 21, 2011 9:48:55 GMT -5
#756
Is there a student/recent grad who can sit in Leavey Ctr today with their laptop and just flag down signers?
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Post by flyoverhoya on Jan 21, 2011 10:25:57 GMT -5
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PhillyHoya
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Post by PhillyHoya on Jan 21, 2011 10:29:26 GMT -5
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 21, 2011 10:40:55 GMT -5
This tells you all you need to know about the neighbors:
"Like nearly everything the University had presented, this idea also faced some opposition from the residents’, despite this form of counting actually limiting the number by more than the previous method would have."
The University's problem here is that they came with a reasonable plan that took into account the neighborhood's concerns.
It's obvious the type of person at a meeting like this and on a board like this in Georgetown is a fairly selfish and unreasonable person -- the University should have lowballed and negotiated from there.
Comments like the above; the insistence on ignoring the huge difference between graduate students or law schools students and undergrads -- heck the insistence that GU somehow has a massive off-campus population is kind of crazy.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jan 21, 2011 12:27:43 GMT -5
Some tweets from last night:
"Lenore Rubino describes the Campus Plan as hard to read and meant to confound the reader"
"Satellite housing? So then Rubino can promote a 6-hour GUTS bus ride from Arlington via I-97 and New York Avenue? "
"GU will probably be looking for more space in DC or nearby in the near future. Reached a "comfortable limit" of undergrads "
"Are the citizens of georgetown intimidated by their student neighbors? It seems like they are not allowing us to ask questions " "Approximately 15 students raise their hands to ask a question. A resident is instead given the opportunity to ask a question. "
""When I hear about all the programs that the University is implementing, I think, what's next? The national guard?" - Rubino"
""I was wondering when parking concerns became more important than saving lives?" - GU student...receives no response"
School officials believe that Yates field house does not have to be rebuilt because it has "strong bones"
"Is the maximum the biggest number?"- One of our beloved neighbors.
Lenore Rubino reads from a prepared statement: "Sitting here tonight I found many of the University's responses unacceptable." gotta love being writing that you're disappointed with the university's responses before you hear them.
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RusskyHoya
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Post by RusskyHoya on Jan 21, 2011 13:38:16 GMT -5
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jgalt
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Post by jgalt on Jan 21, 2011 14:15:01 GMT -5
I wish more of the residents were like this guy. That was a very un-biased fair assessment of the situation. As many of you know i am much more of the opinion that all the neighbors suck, so this is probably going to sound hypocritical, but to me there is a huge communication problem here. Yes there are unruly, rude students off-campus, but how many residents can name one student by name? (Same is true of the students, but they are not the ones complaining). Maybe if the first time off campus students came into contact with neighbors, wasnt when the cops have been called there would be better communication and the students would behave slightly better, or at least be more willing to listen. Its easy to ignore the pleas of a stranger and even easier to ignore someone who only yells at you and wants you gone, but its a lot harder to ignore someone whose name you know and who you respect (however slightly).
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CAHoya07
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Post by CAHoya07 on Jan 21, 2011 14:22:06 GMT -5
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joey0403p
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Post by joey0403p on Jan 21, 2011 14:34:30 GMT -5
The neighbors are the irrational one's. They all moved in prior to 1789 and pre-date the university.
Here is the reason we will NEVER have an on campus arena - the neighbors will block it at every step. Here we are trying to become a little 'greener' and update facilities that are prehistoric - (read - NO INCREASE TO STUDENT POPULATION / OFF CAMPUS HOUSING) - and they refuse.
It is sad, by my recollection the university put the building of the south west quad ahead of every other capital project for the sole reason it would lead to better relations with the neighbors and hopefully facilitate the approval of other projects (MSB, Science, Athletic, etc). Maybe we should all be happy we got the MSB and Science building approved. Now all we need to do is wait until the university builds another 1,000 dorm building to get approval for the atheletic facility???
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 21, 2011 15:17:58 GMT -5
Joey, that's my point. There's no sense of compromise for the neighbors when the University makes constant compromises.
When I lived off campus, we made a point to go around and talk to all our neighbors. We invited them to our parties and asked them to call us before calling the cops (most did).
We were generally well behaved if up late and loud, but there were definite public displays on urination (on our own property) and the attempted manual uprooting of a tree. I'd like to think the relatively low conflict we have was due to our upfront efforts, though.
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I also find it funny that the residents blame the University, not their fellow homeowners.
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Post by kchoya on Jan 21, 2011 16:53:01 GMT -5
The neighbors are the irrational one's. They all moved in prior to 1789 and pre-date the university. Here is the reason we will NEVER have an on campus arena - the neighbors will block it at every step. Here we are trying to become a little 'greener' and update facilities that are prehistoric - (read - NO INCREASE TO STUDENT POPULATION / OFF CAMPUS HOUSING) - and they refuse. It is sad, by my recollection the university put the building of the south west quad ahead of every other capital project for the sole reason it would lead to better relations with the neighbors and hopefully facilitate the approval of other projects (MSB, Science, Athletic, etc). Maybe we should all be happy we got the MSB and Science building approved. Now all we need to do is wait until the university builds another 1,000 dorm building to get approval for the atheletic facility??? Exactly. If there's ever a question as to whether we'll get an on campus arena of any shape or size, the current fight over the campus plan gives you your answer.
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DudeSlade
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Post by DudeSlade on Jan 21, 2011 18:10:10 GMT -5
First and foremost, as joey said, if you move next to a University, you know what to expect. That doesn't give free reign to students to do whatever they want. BUT to think that Georgetown is somehow rowdy is ridiculous. The behavior of Georgetown's students in general is extremely tame for college students, and especially when they are in the neighborhood. If we moved in after the residents, there may be a basis for complaint, but there is no one that can argue they didn't know they were moving next to a university in this case.
Secondly, I wonder what the impact of the keg ban and the heavy restrictions on parties on campus has done to the relations and the students interaction with the neighbors. When I was there (2006 grad), we were almost always on campus in apartments or townhouses for parties. After I graduated, major changes to the party and alcohol policies went into place and for my sister graduating in 2010, the majority of students were forced off campus and into bars for a social life at night. She said she didn't attend one single party on campus her senior year and that they almost never happened and if they did they were closed down immediately. Students were also getting fake I.D.s and under-aged kids were in the Georgetown bars far more than prior to this change. This change in the policy came with a great deal of pressure from the neighborhood and complaints about partying. I know because I was on our Disciplinary Review Committee for 2 years and was able to stave off these changes during that time with very solid reasons I thought for why we shouldn't change it, focused on it making the social life more dangerous for students and more disruptive for the community. Within a short time it came about though obviously, and I wonder how it has affected some of these relations.
I don't know what recourse the University has, but I know it's damaging the school to have these sort of issues with the neighborhood both in regards to building on campus and in regards to social life issues. I went to Georgetown over other academic schools because it seemed to be the perfect blend of a college life with great academics, but from all reports I've heard from more recent students, we've become no different than the ivies and other solely academically focused schools. Much of the fun, they claim, is gone. That's a shame. Georgetown was unique.
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DudeSlade
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Post by DudeSlade on Jan 21, 2011 18:26:57 GMT -5
Just read that Patch article and this jumped out at me:
"Candith Pallandre is both a University professor and Burleith neighbor. She said she is torn between the students she loves to teach and her neighborhood. Pallandre spoke to University officials, saying when looking for housing solutions "I have not a question, but a plea: to think outside the box, to be creative.""
The Georgetown website says in her bio that she works in the Center for Language Education and Development (which I've never heard of, nor could tell you what it does).
The last thing we need is for members of our university like Pallandre to be fighting the university on its own campus plan. If she had complaints, they should have been voiced within the University, not in a setting that could harm the university like the ANC. We need every member of the community to support the school in this or it has no chance.
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Post by strummer8526 on Jan 21, 2011 19:21:55 GMT -5
First and foremost, as joey said, if you move next to a University, you know what to expect. That doesn't give free reign to students to do whatever they want. BUT to think that Georgetown is somehow rowdy is ridiculous. The behavior of Georgetown's students in general is extremely tame for college students, and especially when they are in the neighborhood. If we moved in after the residents, there may be a basis for complaint, but there is no one that can argue they didn't know they were moving next to a university in this case. Secondly, I wonder what the impact of the keg ban and the heavy restrictions on parties on campus has done to the relations and the students interaction with the neighbors. When I was there (2006 grad), we were almost always on campus in apartments or townhouses for parties. After I graduated, major changes to the party and alcohol policies went into place and for my sister graduating in 2010, the majority of students were forced off campus and into bars for a social life at night. She said she didn't attend one single party on campus her senior year and that they almost never happened and if they did they were closed down immediately. Students were also getting fake I.D.s and under-aged kids were in the Georgetown bars far more than prior to this change. This change in the policy came with a great deal of pressure from the neighborhood and complaints about partying. I know because I was on our Disciplinary Review Committee for 2 years and was able to stave off these changes during that time with very solid reasons I thought for why we shouldn't change it, focused on it making the social life more dangerous for students and more disruptive for the community. Within a short time it came about though obviously, and I wonder how it has affected some of these relations. I don't know what recourse the University has, but I know it's damaging the school to have these sort of issues with the neighborhood both in regards to building on campus and in regards to social life issues. I went to Georgetown over other academic schools because it seemed to be the perfect blend of a college life with great academics, but from all reports I've heard from more recent students, we've become no different than the ivies and other solely academically focused schools. Much of the fun, they claim, is gone. That's a shame. Georgetown was unique. Agree on all accounts. I was class of '07, but I stayed in touch with a lot of kids through the class of '10. Their experience seemed very different from mine, and not in a way that I think was positive. Not for them, not for the University, and not for the neighbors.
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Post by kchoya on Jan 21, 2011 19:26:54 GMT -5
First and foremost, as joey said, if you move next to a University, you know what to expect. That doesn't give free reign to students to do whatever they want. BUT to think that Georgetown is somehow rowdy is ridiculous. The behavior of Georgetown's students in general is extremely tame for college students, and especially when they are in the neighborhood. If we moved in after the residents, there may be a basis for complaint, but there is no one that can argue they didn't know they were moving next to a university in this case. Secondly, I wonder what the impact of the keg ban and the heavy restrictions on parties on campus has done to the relations and the students interaction with the neighbors. When I was there (2006 grad), we were almost always on campus in apartments or townhouses for parties. After I graduated, major changes to the party and alcohol policies went into place and for my sister graduating in 2010, the majority of students were forced off campus and into bars for a social life at night. She said she didn't attend one single party on campus her senior year and that they almost never happened and if they did they were closed down immediately. Students were also getting fake I.D.s and under-aged kids were in the Georgetown bars far more than prior to this change. This change in the policy came with a great deal of pressure from the neighborhood and complaints about partying. I know because I was on our Disciplinary Review Committee for 2 years and was able to stave off these changes during that time with very solid reasons I thought for why we shouldn't change it, focused on it making the social life more dangerous for students and more disruptive for the community. Within a short time it came about though obviously, and I wonder how it has affected some of these relations. I don't know what recourse the University has, but I know it's damaging the school to have these sort of issues with the neighborhood both in regards to building on campus and in regards to social life issues. I went to Georgetown over other academic schools because it seemed to be the perfect blend of a college life with great academics, but from all reports I've heard from more recent students, we've become no different than the ivies and other solely academically focused schools. Much of the fun, they claim, is gone. That's a shame. Georgetown was unique. Agree on all accounts. I was class of '07, but I stayed in touch with a lot of kids through the class of '10. Their experience seemed very different from mine, and not in a way that I think was positive. Not for them, not for the University, and not for the neighbors. I lived in one of the University's townhouses right outside the front gate on 37th my junior and senior years ('98 grad). We had a good number of parties there with people hanging out in the back yard and on the front step with "refreshments." Sounds that couldn't happen now. Sad.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 21, 2011 20:59:27 GMT -5
Joey, that's my point. There's no sense of compromise for the neighbors when the University makes constant compromises. When I lived off campus, we made a point to go around and talk to all our neighbors. We invited them to our parties and asked them to call us before calling the cops (most did). We were generally well behaved if up late and loud, but there were definite public displays on urination (on our own property) and the attempted manual uprooting of a tree. I'd like to think the relatively low conflict we have was due to our upfront efforts, though. ------------ I also find it funny that the residents blame the University, not their fellow homeowners. Good Lord, SF, what did that poor tree ever do to you? ;D
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 21, 2011 21:09:36 GMT -5
Joey, that's my point. There's no sense of compromise for the neighbors when the University makes constant compromises. When I lived off campus, we made a point to go around and talk to all our neighbors. We invited them to our parties and asked them to call us before calling the cops (most did). We were generally well behaved if up late and loud, but there were definite public displays on urination (on our own property) and the attempted manual uprooting of a tree. I'd like to think the relatively low conflict we have was due to our upfront efforts, though. ------------ I also find it funny that the residents blame the University, not their fellow homeowners. Good Lord, SF, what did that poor tree ever do to you? ;D For the record, I was not doing the uprooting. And also for the record, he had absolutely zero chance of succeeding. The tree was like five years old. It was more hysterical than destructive.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 21, 2011 21:10:07 GMT -5
Joey, that's my point. There's no sense of compromise for the neighbors when the University makes constant compromises. When I lived off campus, we made a point to go around and talk to all our neighbors. We invited them to our parties and asked them to call us before calling the cops (most did). We were generally well behaved if up late and loud, but there were definite public displays on urination (on our own property) and the attempted manual uprooting of a tree. I'd like to think the relatively low conflict we have was due to our upfront efforts, though. ------------ I also find it funny that the residents blame the University, not their fellow homeowners. Good Lord, SF, what did that poor tree ever do to you? ;D For the record, I was not doing the uprooting. And also for the record, he had absolutely zero chance of succeeding. The tree was like five years old. It was more hysterical than destructive.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jan 22, 2011 18:34:14 GMT -5
Joey, that's my point. There's no sense of compromise for the neighbors when the University makes constant compromises. When I lived off campus, we made a point to go around and talk to all our neighbors. We invited them to our parties and asked them to call us before calling the cops (most did). We were generally well behaved if up late and loud, but there were definite public displays on urination (on our own property) and the attempted manual uprooting of a tree. I'd like to think the relatively low conflict we have was due to our upfront efforts, though. ------------ I also find it funny that the residents blame the University, not their fellow homeowners. Good Lord, SF, what did that poor tree ever do to you? ;D I thought your board name referred to your allegiance at Hoya sports contests. It seems as if it refers to the base of trees around the campus and their protection.
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