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May 5, 2011 8:11:58 GMT -5
Post by Boz on May 5, 2011 8:11:58 GMT -5
Oh, come now. I agree that it was a great episode, and I agree that it's still probably the best drama on TV, but absolute ambiguity as to who had been poisoned??
I know that's what they were going for, sure, but did you or anyone REALLY not know that Mags was going to poison herself/poisoned herself after Loretta completely rejected her, not to mention the news that Doyle had gotten a Bin Laden in the noggin?
I thought it was really kind of obvious. I don't know. For me, the ending was a bit of a cop out.
But I still liked everything else, don't get me wrong.
Well, ALMOST everything else. I also didn't buy Art basically cutting Raylan loose and telling Winona he was on his own. However, I do think they did set that one up pretty well in previous episodes, but I couldn't buy it because Art's just not that kind of guy when push comes to shove. Maybe I'm missing something there, though.
Great season altogether though. Looking forward to more.
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May 5, 2011 8:25:38 GMT -5
Post by TC on May 5, 2011 8:25:38 GMT -5
Oh, come now. I agree that it was a great episode, and I agree that it's still probably the best drama on TV, but absolute ambiguity as to who had been poisoned?? Go back and look at Raylan's face a little bit after he drinks compared to Loretta's Dad's face. And listen to the dialogue. I thought for sure the season was going to end with him in a coma or something. Maybe I'm just slow on the uptake, but having remembered the Loretta's Dad scene, I thought for sure she had poisoned Raylan - who had been responsible for Coover's death, now Doyle's, and who had put a gun to Dickie's head, which Mags said she'd take care of the episode before. And Boz, if you remember back to the speech Art gave Raylan about how he was a good lawman and a terrible Marshall but the problem would take care of itself, Art telling Winona that sometimes you just can't help was completely in character. I thought Winona's change of heart (saying she wouldn't be there but then begging Art to help him) paralleled nicely with Art's change of heart.
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May 5, 2011 8:38:54 GMT -5
Post by Boz on May 5, 2011 8:38:54 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong. I admit that I'm quibbling a bit. I tend to do that with stuff I really like. If I didn't like it, it wouldn't be worth the effort.
As I said, I do think they set up Art saying "no" pretty well. But after getting to know his character for two seasons, I just felt for sure that in the end, he'd have Raylan's back when he needed it.
On the ending, we'll just disagree. That's cool. I'll admit may have had a moment of doubt, but Mags just looked so defeated after Loretta shot her, I was pretty sure what was going to happen.
. I just realized, hope I didn't ruin this for people who may have DVR'd the finale.
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May 5, 2011 9:17:00 GMT -5
Post by SFHoya99 on May 5, 2011 9:17:00 GMT -5
Don't worry. I would have ruined it. We need to go to a spoiler tag policy.
I agree it was well performed, but it still came off to me. Also, I really saw no chance that Raylan Givens dies at the end of season 2, and that poison wasn't exactly a slow type where they could have pumped his stomache.
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May 5, 2011 9:19:15 GMT -5
Post by SFHoya99 on May 5, 2011 9:19:15 GMT -5
Obviously I'm way late to this TV party.... Per usual HBO's got it goin' on -- diggin' the second season of Treme and have fallen head over heels for Game of Thrones. Who's read Martin's books? Quite a few of us have read the books. There's a decent amount of discussion on the "geek" thread. I think it's spoiler-free from a plotpoint perspective, but there's still discussion of style and such that could give some things away, I suppose. In other words, if you want absolutely NOTHING ruined, I'd stay away. And I can't wait for Sunday.
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May 5, 2011 13:19:01 GMT -5
Post by TBird41 on May 5, 2011 13:19:01 GMT -5
Don't worry. I would have ruined it. We need to go to a spoiler tag policy. I agree it was well performed, but it still came off to me. Also, I really saw no chance that Raylan Givens dies at the end of season 2, and that poison wasn't exactly a slow type where they could have pumped his stomache. I don't know, that scene just had me so sucked in that when Raylan asked Mags what she was doing I was buying that she'd poisoned him. I knew he'd live, but I was trying to figure out how / why he agreed to drink with her and how they were going to save him. (Heck, I figured that Mags was trying to poison Loretta, which makes no actual sense, just because I was that terrified of that apple pie.) Then again, if you think about her conversation w/ Boyd "you made that deal with me, not Dickie" it'd make sense that she'd still want to honor her deal w/ Helen about ending the feud. I've also been listening to Brad Paisley's version of "You'll Never Leave Harlan Alive" on repeat which also makes no sense b/c Brad Paisley is pretty much everything that's wrong with Nashville country. And yet, that version of the song is awesome b/c of Justified (it helps that it's not his song, of course). I still have a hard time believing a song that perfect for the show was written coincidentally (Every time I hear "And it's there I read on a hillside gravestone / You will never leave Harlan alive" all I can think of is Raylan's tombstone.)
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May 5, 2011 13:44:11 GMT -5
Post by AustinHoya03 on May 5, 2011 13:44:11 GMT -5
So...will the mysterious old woman who got Dickey's buddy to change his story be a new villain next season alongside Boyd?
WRT songs, I'm still waiting to hear Harlan Man by Steve Earle used in an episode.
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May 14, 2011 17:28:52 GMT -5
Post by kchoya on May 14, 2011 17:28:52 GMT -5
Just watched the final episode of Justified. I've been avoiding reading this thread until now to avoid any spoilers. I was pretty sure Mags poisoned herself, but the character was so great, I still had a little bit of doubt. I almost thought she was reaching for a gun when she was getting the glasses, but that's not her style. I wonder if she was going to use one of those special glasses on Loretta when she asked Loretta if she was thirsty. And how nice is it to have a Rainbow Six-esque sniper on your team when you need to put a bullet through Doyle.
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Jun 20, 2011 11:49:10 GMT -5
Post by hoyaLS05 on Jun 20, 2011 11:49:10 GMT -5
Did anyone stick with The Killing? Did last night's finale engender strong feelings in anyone else?
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Jun 20, 2011 12:01:47 GMT -5
Post by SirSaxa on Jun 20, 2011 12:01:47 GMT -5
Did anyone stick with The Killing? Did last night's finale engender strong feelings in anyone else? I saw most of the episodes. Last night was a little frustrating that they STILL could not wrap everything up! I did like the series though.
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Jun 20, 2011 16:30:00 GMT -5
Post by Bando on Jun 20, 2011 16:30:00 GMT -5
I've taken to calling The Killing "The Red Herring and Poor Police Work Emo Hour". Really, they took a great pilot and then made a horrible show out of it.
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Jun 20, 2011 17:39:09 GMT -5
Post by Boz on Jun 20, 2011 17:39:09 GMT -5
I've taken to calling The Killing "The Red Herring and Poor Police Work Emo Hour". Really, they took a great pilot and then made a horrible show out of it. That was spit-take worthy. ;D Can someone tell me if I am crazy for looking forward to Wilfred? Because I kind of am cautiously looking forward to it. Pros: - FX comedies - FX shows in general - have been pretty good - It's an innovative idea (for a non-animated show) Cons: - Does Frodo Baggins have any serious comedy chops? - Does the innovative idea end with "let's put a guy with a British accent in a dog suit" or will there be good writing?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jun 20, 2011 21:36:55 GMT -5
I think wilfred could be good but i wouldnt get attached. I gotta imagine it could be good and still fail miserably.
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Jun 27, 2011 13:07:21 GMT -5
Post by SFHoya99 on Jun 27, 2011 13:07:21 GMT -5
So three hours into Falling Skies and I think I'm done.
I think they've honestly used up all the cliches at least twice in three hours. There's been about eight discussions about civilians and the military. Twenty about "it's my son!" Fifteen cases of over-emotionality getting people into bad situations.
But the episode 2 (or 3? the third hour) was the capper. The obsession with twists and "secrets" is beyond stupid -- it's forced. So we've got a BSG-style Doctor Gaius on our hands, and we're already, ten seconds in, suspecting him of being a coward and more. The "twist" for next week with the kids - c'mon, is that even a twist? And the constant advertising that "you'll be surprised" screams Lost-style "we'll make up and even though it sucks you'll keep watching."
I'm out. The han-solo-ex-prisoner-now-chef may have been the final straw, though. Better writers may have made that work. But wow was, "Find me some olive oil" flat.
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Jun 27, 2011 13:38:34 GMT -5
Post by Boz on Jun 27, 2011 13:38:34 GMT -5
I think it's indicative of the disappointment of Falling Skies that I can't remember anyone's name, except for Noah Wylie's character (and, of course, his harnessed son....BEN!!!!!)
I was thinking more of the Noble Savage with the guy you refer to as Han Solo (seriously, I do not know his name).
That is pretty tired. The cliche of the supposed uncouth brute who really is a Renaissance Man deep down.
I don't think the character's performance is lacking. He is a pretty good actor (and probably their best "We Can't Afford Gary Sinise...Get Us His Non-Union Mexican Equivalent!!" option), at least IMO. But his lines are not very good.
Even though this would have been a Lost rip-off, I was really hoping, since they started the series in medias res, that we'd have a lot of pre-invasion flashbacks to get to know the characters better and make the "twists" more about who the people are and what they are about, rather than "Oh, my God! The children are going to be connected to the aliens!!" (well, DUH!)
For instance, we know that Tom was valuable to the military because of his knowledge of military history, strategy and tactics. But how did he become such a good fighter? There is great opportunity for character development there.
But so far, he's the only character worth caring about in the least. And even in that case, the caring is rather one-dimensional.
I see a ton of wasted potential here. But I might still give it a couple more episodes, mainly because I usually don't have anything better to do or watch on a Sunday night at that hour.
My hopes aren't really high though.
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Jun 27, 2011 15:55:05 GMT -5
Post by SFHoya99 on Jun 27, 2011 15:55:05 GMT -5
You're right - Noble Savage works better. I think I especially enjoyed how his secret to killing them is to "take out their legs first." Umm, the military never thought of this?
It's seems like they want to be a Lost rip-off, so why not go your route?
Your point about Sunday nights is almost compelling enough for me to give it another shot.
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Jun 28, 2011 13:12:03 GMT -5
Post by Bando on Jun 28, 2011 13:12:03 GMT -5
I'm really glad I never started watching Falling Skies, given reports here. Really, the whole "alien invasion" genre has just been pretty horrible lately (Battle LA, V, etc.). It's only when they mix up the genre conventions is this particular kind of sci-fi good anymore (see: District 9).
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Jun 28, 2011 13:15:31 GMT -5
Post by SirSaxa on Jun 28, 2011 13:15:31 GMT -5
I just finished watching a Canadian series entitled Intelligence. It's about drug trafficking in Vancouver, and all the gangs and Govt agencies involved. Lots of intrigue, likeable characters and dirty dealing on all sides. A very well done series. It lasted 2 years. About 2 dozen episodes in all. I found it on Netflix. I'd never heard of it before. Good soundtrack too. Intelligence
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Jul 14, 2011 8:20:01 GMT -5
Post by TC on Jul 14, 2011 8:20:01 GMT -5
If Goggins, Olyphant, Martindale, and maybe even the kid playing Loretta don't get nominated for awards, something is wrong. Easily the best show airing on TV right now. Olyphant, Martindale, and Goggins all up for Emmys! I called it!!!!! <balloons fall, Colbert style>
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Jul 14, 2011 8:37:55 GMT -5
Post by Boz on Jul 14, 2011 8:37:55 GMT -5
I'm really glad I never started watching Falling Skies, given reports here. I'm really glad I stopped. Sorry, Mr. Spielberg. I did give you a chance, though. Probably more than most people did. At this point, however, you can't even compete with The Next Food Network Star, let alone anything else on Sundays. Also, I'm wondering if there will actually be any, you know, firefighting on the last season of a show ostensibly about firefighters. Congrats to the Justified cast. Well deserved. Apparently, TC also should get some kind of award, so here you go. ;D
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