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Post by NCHoya on Sept 14, 2010 12:56:58 GMT -5
2011 has definitely become a major downer, but let's also not forget that there will be decommits by top players and coachign turnover, these are only verbals after all.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Sept 14, 2010 13:54:30 GMT -5
Another option is to see if there are any 2012 recruits who can and would be willing to enroll early and come in 2011.
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Post by RDF on Sept 14, 2010 14:40:31 GMT -5
Another option is to see if there are any 2012 recruits who can and would be willing to enroll early and come in 2011. You start doing that and you are commiting suicide in terms of relationships with HS coaches---and Georgetown already doesn't do well with the AAU "world"--so why alienate the HS coaches to? This is a desperate attempt that people who have no answers beg/plead to see kids do--due to the inability to get the job done in the class of SR's. It's absurd to do and let kids be kids and if anything--work harder at your job and you won't have to resort to such ignorant methods of recruiting. Why would kids who turned you down previously--and didn't want to go to your school want to go there now? That means you better produce during the year-and that goes for any undecided kids that wait for Spring--but the problem with that--it involves the word "wait" and that is something this reactive program does far too often. They wait for things to happen on the court, in recruiting, etc...and those who wait.......well as you see they resort to trying to get HS kids to enroll early-which is so short sighted it's ridiculous. This works in CFB--because of the physical/schematic development that is needed-in skill sports like basketball---impact can be made by kids who go to HS-afterall it's been proven yearly--so why push someone to do something? Wreaks of desperation and pathetic/inept evaluation of prospects and/or how they view your program. |
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Post by EasyEd on Sept 14, 2010 15:33:41 GMT -5
501 threads.
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Post by gtowndynasty on Sept 14, 2010 16:19:52 GMT -5
Another option is to see if there are any 2012 recruits who can and would be willing to enroll early and come in 2011. You start doing that and you are commiting suicide in terms of relationships with HS coaches---and Georgetown already doesn't do well with the AAU "world"--so why alienate the HS coaches to? This is a desperate attempt that people who have no answers beg/plead to see kids do--due to the inability to get the job done in the class of SR's. It's absurd to do and let kids be kids and if anything--work harder at your job and you won't have to resort to such ignorant methods of recruiting. Why would kids who turned you down previously--and didn't want to go to your school want to go there now? That means you better produce during the year-and that goes for any undecided kids that wait for Spring--but the problem with that--it involves the word "wait" and that is something this reactive program does far too often. They wait for things to happen on the court, in recruiting, etc...and those who wait.......well as you see they resort to trying to get HS kids to enroll early-which is so short sighted it's ridiculous. This works in CFB--because of the physical/schematic development that is needed-in skill sports like basketball---impact can be made by kids who go to HS-afterall it's been proven yearly--so why push someone to do something? Wreaks of desperation and pathetic/inept evaluation of prospects and/or how they view your program. The reason that this works in football instead of basketball is that the football season is over by January when spring semesters begin. Hollis' situation was altogether different being that he was ineligible to play his senior year due to the move so it made sense for him to do it. But asking an eligible kid to skip out on his senior season...well then its clear why this is not done with any degree of regularity. Whatever methods of recruiting we have recently employed need to be scrapped. We are going to use this wait til next year approach every year. We certainly said this about 2010 and 2011 classes and now we are saying it in 2012. Folks, beggers cant be choosers. We need to throw out offers and not wait around because we are left holding the bag. Now do we just bring competent bodies in here or do we save the schollies? Tough question because with no bodies, we are an injury away from playing walkons. But if we do bring bodies in, there are very few left and we are essentially depending on finding a diamond in the rough. This is a very unsettling feeling to say the least... |
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Sept 14, 2010 18:24:02 GMT -5
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Post by gtowndynasty on Sept 14, 2010 20:51:50 GMT -5
I wish. Ware has repeatedly expressed a desire to stay in the southeast. UGA has put out some feelers on him on him as they are anticipating this could be the last year for Leslie and see Ware as his replacement. Ware stated in the attached article that G'Town was too far away from home so I wouldnt cross my fingers on him. With that said, the sanctions against UT dont seem like they will have much impact so it is not clear he will decommit. But if he were, dont expect him to travel to DC... espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/news/_/id/64072/kevin-wareStill keeping my fingers crossed we can turn this class into something respectable though. |
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Sept 15, 2010 11:40:49 GMT -5
screw moving on to 2012 move on to 2014:
"Schools in to see Tech's(indian school) Trey Lyles(2014) at open gyms include Georgetown, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Purdue and Tennessee."
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Post by krukster201 on Sept 15, 2010 13:39:49 GMT -5
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Post by krukster201 on Sept 15, 2010 19:48:13 GMT -5
(Just a thought .. On the other Hoya board I have a Thread called "Hoya Twitter news" or something like that. It may be a good idea for this board as well. It's kind of hard to seperate the 2011 and 2012 news) Either way.. here's a few other interesting tweets:
@demathahoops:
Head Coach Buzz Williams and Asst. Coach Aki Collins from Marquette stopped by school today.
Coaches expected to watch workouts today....and Mikael Hopkins has his in home with Texas and Head Coach Rick Barnes tonight.
List of schools that came to the workout today very impressive. Villanova, Texas, OK st, Howard, Rice, Rutgers, Boston College, Notre Dame
Head Coach Mike Brey from Notre Dame is speaking to a group of DeMatha folks tonight. Great to hear his story.
@nationwidenolan:
Kyan Anderson visited Oklahoma 2 weekends ago. Will visit Providence soon.
out of the top 30 kenpom teams from last year only 5 return four starters: UW, G'Town, Mich State, OSU and Utah State. #random.
Clemson, Villanova and UW return the most rotation players (25% > of team minutes played) with 7 each. (& no, Pitt was not a top 30 team)
@therecruitscoop:
“I’m still considering them but like anyone that will always be a problem." Adonis Thomas on Tennessee's issues, per @adamzagoria.
@memphisroar:
The Memphis staff stopped in on 2012 Point Guard LJ Rose of Texas today.
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Post by hoyarooter on Sept 15, 2010 20:02:11 GMT -5
Totally off point, but I can't resist.
I'm LJ Rose of Texas
My friends all call me Tex.
When I lived in old New Mexico
They used to call me Mex.
When I lived in old Kentucky
They called me Old Kentuck.
I was born in old Shemoken
Which is why they call me LJ Rose.
I'm sure there aren't more than a handful of us who have any idea what this is referencing.
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Post by krukster201 on Sept 15, 2010 23:29:33 GMT -5
@nationwidenolan: Jarelle Reischel has 4 visits aligned: Penn State, Rice, Seton Hall, G'Town. 5th TBD between Temple/Maryland. Interview up in AM @demathahoops: Texas coaches Barnes and Springman were very impressive in home with Mikael Hopkins tonight. Official visit scheduled for 10/25. Today was a good day. Tomorrow will bring more coaches in to see players. George Washington, Oklahoma and Tennessee will be there w/ others. @adamzagoria: Rutgers coach Mike Rice and Pitt coach Jamie Dixon watched Omar Calhoun work out Wednesday at Christ the King, per Omar Calhoun Sr. One time Seton Hall commit Jamir Hanner will take an official there this weekend, per Alif Muhammad of NIA Prep Norvel Pelle had an in-home with #stjbb last night and Arizona tonight. tinyurl.com/26em8zo @bluedevilnation: bluedevilnation.net/2010/09/savon-goodman-duke-will-start-recruiting-me-hard/ Savon Goodman 2 BDN"Duke will start recruiting me hard" Quinn Cook has "had" an offer and he is the only PG Duke is still looking at now. @reggierankin: Texas A&M and Pitt in yesterday to watch ESPNU Terrific 25 SF Jabari Parker. Keep in mind dad Sonny Parker played for the Aggies. @gonzagahoops: Another good day for the Purple Eagles! Kids really getting after it in open gym. Schools in the house today: Virginia Tech, Mt. St. Mary's, Howard Univ., Shepherd, and Catholic Coach Bob Huggins stopped by school yesterday and Coach Buzz Williams made a stop in today. Morning workouts were great today. Schools who came in: Villanova, Boston U., William and Mary, South Florida, Robert Morris, and SCSU... |
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Post by HometownHoya on Sept 16, 2010 12:09:16 GMT -5
out of the top 30 kenpom teams from last year only 5 return four starters: UW, G'Town, Mich State, OSU and Utah State. #random. Thats a nice little fact to know, too bad Mich State is one of those other experienced teams. I can't wait for this season to start and to stop this recruiting nonsense! Don't all the #1s at each position know that Georgetown is the best and they should commit immediately ;D |
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Post by SaxaCD on Sept 16, 2010 12:45:29 GMT -5
Allan Sherman on HoyaTalk... whodathunkit? Totally off point, but I can't resist. I'm LJ Rose of Texas My friends all call me Tex. When I lived in old New Mexico They used to call me Mex. When I lived in old Kentucky They called me Old Kentuck. I was born in old Shemoken Which is why they call me LJ Rose. I'm sure there aren't more than a handful of us who have any idea what this is referencing. |
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Post by EasyEd on Sept 16, 2010 18:55:33 GMT -5
With all that activity, do students at Dematha actually go to school?
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Post by deacon on Sept 16, 2010 19:53:33 GMT -5
With all that activity, do students at Dematha actually go to school? That's funny. As an alum, there's nothing at DeMatha that's stressed more, but it was funny going to school there sometimes. You might go to the bathroom, and there's Coach K washing his hands, or you might go out to your car and Jim Boeheim is out in the parking lot just chatting it up with a few students. To be honest, if you didn't know it was going on, you wouldn't have any idea it was something out of the ordinary. |
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Post by tonyparker on Sept 16, 2010 20:32:22 GMT -5
Brandon Bolden visiting this week.
This is big time. Virginia stud drawing a lot of comparisons to Chris Bosh. Have been hoping we were on him.
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Post by hoyarooter on Sept 17, 2010 12:47:00 GMT -5
Allan Sherman on HoyaTalk... whodathunkit? Totally off point, but I can't resist. I'm LJ Rose of Texas My friends all call me Tex. When I lived in old New Mexico They used to call me Mex. When I lived in old Kentucky They called me Old Kentuck. I was born in old Shemoken Which is why they call me LJ Rose. I'm sure there aren't more than a handful of us who have any idea what this is referencing. We have a winnah! ;D |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Sept 17, 2010 13:04:44 GMT -5
I have two problems with "moving on to 2012."
1. Our roster next year will be severely lacking. Three guards, three wings and three bigs. We couldn't even scrimmage with scholarship players. That also includes seven players who really haven't proven anything, meaning Jason Clark and Hollis Thompson are the only guys you can really count on.
If that's the situation, you need some volume.
2. It also could potential mess up 2012-13 as well. Clark goes. Leaving more sophs and froshs to step into leadership roles. I love the potential of a lot our guys, but man, that's a lot of risk to take on.
3. My biggest issue: there's still a lot of good players out there, both ranked and not.
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Post by hoyaboya on Sept 17, 2010 13:30:02 GMT -5
3. My biggest issue: there's still a lot of good players out there, both ranked and not. Such as? Name that "lot of good players out there" that the Hoyas have a realistic shot to land. We appear to be major longshots at this point with any of the top 100 kids that have listed us. I understand your desire to be optimistic, SF, but it's borderline delusional to say that the Hoyas have a legit chance with high quality players in the class of 2011. If we're going to take the Trawicks and Reichsels of the world, I'd almost rather hold the schollies until the spring to see what additional players emerge and what players might be available from coaching changes. |
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