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Post by Boz on Jan 3, 2011 15:01:30 GMT -5
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Jan 3, 2011 15:25:27 GMT -5
it's going to be a LONG couple of days boz. lots of speculation. it only makes sense that brandon had an agreement with harbaugh all along and that is why he didn't boot RR after the osu game. if not, it has the makings of a giant clusterf :-Xck.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Jan 4, 2011 14:49:53 GMT -5
Rodriguez is gone. I am happy. Get Harbaugh by any means necessary.
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Post by theexorcist on Jan 4, 2011 16:04:08 GMT -5
College coaches have a lousy record of success in the NFL. Just sayin'.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jan 4, 2011 16:20:56 GMT -5
College coaches have a lousy record of success in the NFL. Just sayin'. Jimmy Johnson and Pete Carroll called to register their disagreement. Also, Harbaugh was an NFL QB for 15 years. And he runs a total pro system at Stanford. Nonetheless, I'd be really happy if he decides he loves life in Palo Alto and opts to stay on The Farm.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 4, 2011 16:41:10 GMT -5
Paul Brown was a college coach too. So was Bill Walsh, Dick Vermeil, Don Coryell and a lot of others.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 4, 2011 16:47:34 GMT -5
Paul Brown was a college coach too. So was Bill Walsh, Dick Vermeil, Don Coryell and a lot of others. That's a long time ago. And Pete Carroll is an NFL success? I mean, they did okay this year, but eh. Jimmy Johnson, I'll give you. But that's twenty years ago and one guy.
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Post by adlai on Jan 4, 2011 17:25:49 GMT -5
Rodriguez is gone. I am happy. Get Harbaugh by any means necessary. Don't celebrate just yet: michigan.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1172485Moreover, if Harbaugh doesn't come which now looks like a given, I'm not sure another year for RR with an overhaul on the defensive side would be the worst outcome.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 4, 2011 17:31:29 GMT -5
It's not that college coaches can't make good NFL coaches, but the NFL system is largely predicated on building up experience as an NFL assistant, so there are fewer teams looking to the college ranks to pick up HC talent.
Another factor? Time. In college, coaches get time to build up a record (at SEC schools, less so; at Georgetown, more so). Any adjustments a college coach must make in the NFL must be almost immediate or they will get cut.
It's the same in basketball. Would John Thompson or Mike Krzyzewski have been give three or four years in today's climate to develop an NBA playoff team, much less a title contender? No chance. Jerry Tarkanian didn't see 21 games in the NBA before Red McCombs sent him packing.
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Post by Boz on Jan 4, 2011 17:40:45 GMT -5
Rodriguez is gone. I am happy. Get Harbaugh by any means necessary. Don't celebrate just yet: michigan.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1172485Moreover, if Harbaugh doesn't come which now looks like a given, I'm not sure another year for RR with an overhaul on the defensive side would be the worst outcome. I say he's gone. Wanna bet $1000 on it? Didn't think so. And how is it now a "given" that Harbaugh is out?
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Post by adlai on Jan 4, 2011 17:54:47 GMT -5
Never said he wouldn't be fired. My hunch is that he is in fact gone, but clearly reports to this effect were a bit premature. As for the "given", the reports RR will be fired are as strong as those saying Harbaugh isn't coming, so you wanna bet $1000 that Harbaugh will be the coach at Michigan? Didn't think so.
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Post by RDF on Jan 5, 2011 1:23:38 GMT -5
I'd expect to see Brady Hoke at Michigan and Harbaugh in NFL.
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Post by RDF on Jan 5, 2011 1:25:28 GMT -5
Really great to see the Ohio State "5" make such impact on the game they should'n't have been allowed to play in--the last pic came from the lesser known kid who was involved.
Tressel sure runs a "class" outfit in Ohio.
Think an Arkansas receiver just dropped another pass--that being said Ryan Mallett did what Ryan Mallett does-choke in 4th quarter of a big game. Guy is a bust waiting to happen.
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Post by theexorcist on Jan 5, 2011 12:25:58 GMT -5
Really great to see the Ohio State "5" make such impact on the game they should'n't have been allowed to play in--the last pic came from the lesser known kid who was involved. Tressel sure runs a "class" outfit in Ohio. Think an Arkansas receiver just dropped another pass--that being said Ryan Mallett did what Ryan Mallett does-choke in 4th quarter of a big game. Guy is a bust waiting to happen. OSU really hasn't had any notable off-the-field incidents. According to this article - www.usatoday.com/sports/college/2010-10-27-ncaa-graduation-rates-study_N.htm - they graduate 63% of their athletes, tied for 16th in the country. Five players were busted for a rule that every sports pundit qualifies by saying "it's a stupid rule, but" before hammering them. College football is always a little dirty - every team has some scandal every so often. But tOSU seems no worse - and actually seems better - than many.
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Post by theexorcist on Jan 5, 2011 12:34:44 GMT -5
I have a friend who's a Michigan alum and who attends lots of football and hockey who writes for a minor blog about UM. That blog turned me on to mgoblog.com, which I go and read every so often to reassure me that, for all the nutty stuff that goes on in HoyaTalk, we're all actually pretty sane (there's also an undercurrent of superiority that goes far beyond what we have here).
They HATE Hoke. HATE HATE HATE HATE. Whereas Randy Edsall brought a 74-70 record to Maryland, Hoke's record is 47-50. Before SDSU went 9-4 this year, they were 4-8. His record at Ball State until 2008 was pedestrian bordering on bad. He's a Michigan guy, but people are of the opinion that a guy that other - lesser - schools passed on is an awful choice.
With that said, I can't believe that RichRod isn't gone. UM waited about an hour to strike down the news releases. If RichRod coaches one more year, he is dead man walking - unless he wins the national championship, he's gone. Recruiting is thus doomed - will you play for Les Miles, or Harbaugh, or Hoke, or someone else?
Michigan needs to do something for next year and it's not RichRod.
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Post by theexorcist on Jan 5, 2011 12:40:18 GMT -5
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Post by Boz on Jan 5, 2011 13:22:59 GMT -5
I have a friend who's a Michigan alum and who attends lots of football and hockey who writes for a minor blog about UM. That blog turned me on to mgoblog.com, which I go and read every so often to reassure me that, for all the nutty stuff that goes on in HoyaTalk, we're all actually pretty sane (there's also an undercurrent of superiority that goes far beyond what we have here). This may very well be the greatest blog post ever: mgoblog.com/content/all-smiths-songs-sorted-piles-applicabilityOf course, I could be biased. Having Brady Hoke take over what should be every year one of the top college football programs in the country is just plain crazy. That'd be like electing some guy who has virtually no experience as President of the Unite.....oh.
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Post by adlai on Jan 5, 2011 13:26:14 GMT -5
I have a friend who's a Michigan alum and who attends lots of football and hockey who writes for a minor blog about UM. That blog turned me on to mgoblog.com, which I go and read every so often to reassure me that, for all the nutty stuff that goes on in HoyaTalk, we're all actually pretty sane (there's also an undercurrent of superiority that goes far beyond what we have here). They HATE Hoke. HATE HATE HATE HATE. Whereas Randy Edsall brought a 74-70 record to Maryland, Hoke's record is 47-50. Before SDSU went 9-4 this year, they were 4-8. His record at Ball State until 2008 was pedestrian bordering on bad. He's a Michigan guy, but people are of the opinion that a guy that other - lesser - schools passed on is an awful choice. With that said, I can't believe that RichRod isn't gone. UM waited about an hour to strike down the news releases. If RichRod coaches one more year, he is dead man walking - unless he wins the national championship, he's gone. Recruiting is thus doomed - will you play for Les Miles, or Harbaugh, or Hoke, or someone else? Michigan needs to do something for next year and it's not RichRod. It seems that the consensus among UM fans is that Brandon has completely butchered this process. Despite all of RichRod's problems, next year's season with RichRod has greater promise than next year's season without him. Given the personnel, it's going to be another painful transition assuming that the new coach doesn't run the spread. Even then, it seems likely that Denard is leaving the program which was the real bright spot on offense. Not everything is about next year, of course, and so if a new coach with enough promise were hired, the temporary pain might make sense. The only coach with that level of excitement was JH, which even Brandon admitted today is not going to happen. Les Miles might end up the coach, but despite his successful W-L record there seem to be some clock management issues, etc., surrounding him that will eventually catch up to him. Neither Minnesota or Indiana wanted Brady Hoke and the fan base is justified in being highly skeptical of a guy with two successful years of coaching and a sub-.500 record. He is clearly not the guy for Michigan at this point and it would be seen as an enormous failure. While perhaps another name arises and this turns out for the better, Brandon has an extremely tough task ahead. UM soured on a guy who had been successful everywhere he'd been who recruited a potential Heisman trophy winning quaterback. No matter who coaches with the attrition of personal and assuredly weak incoming recruiting class, the team will be worse next year. 2012 represents a brutal schedule considering the road games UM confronts, meaning that the next coach cannot be expected to right the ship over the next two years. With what happened to RichRod, that's not a great prospective for any new coach. I realize the fan base was clamoring for a change, but I really think that UM would have been better off with RichRod for one more year unless they could get JH. When that seemed like the most likely scenario, this all made some sense. However, trading RichRod for Brady Hoke will not appease anyone and the program will be the worse in the short term and will likely be going through this process again in a few more years since he will not have the support of the fan base either. Hopefully it turns out differently, but it seems that Brandon may have misplayed this one.
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Post by Boz on Jan 5, 2011 13:35:07 GMT -5
Les Miles would've been a great hire for Michigan three years ago. And he still would be a great hire for Michigan.
For the time being, I am trying my best to follow the advice of Adam Schefter and Michael Rosenberg, namely: don't believe anything you read.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Jan 5, 2011 13:39:22 GMT -5
this press conference is interesting. one second brandon says he thinks harbaugh is going to the nfl, the next he says he talks to him often. the more i hear brandon talk, the more i think it's going to be a big name (ie not hoke). i just pray brandon started this process already. if not, current players and recruits are going to bolt like it's the titanic.
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