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Post by msbhoya07 on Apr 28, 2012 16:45:12 GMT -5
I really, really hope we pass on this kid. He's one cheeseburger short of Mike Sweetney at this point. If this is the best big man we can land, we have some serious issues. My how 'big man u' has fallen...
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Apr 28, 2012 16:59:08 GMT -5
I stick by my assessment. Look at what he said about his recruitment, looks like alot of people have backed off after he hasn't committed himself to getting himself in shape. Good kid/good feet/hands but 0 lift. Really don't think he gives us anything.
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Post by nychoya3 on Apr 28, 2012 17:41:15 GMT -5
I swear to god I'm going to snap the next time someone compares a recruit to Mike Sweetney like it's a bad thing. Sweets was the best big man in the freaking nation as a junior and dominated through constant double teams because there was no one else who could play on that squad. The lack of lift might hold you back in the NBA, but being wide with good feet and hands goes a LONG way in college.
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Post by alleninxis on Apr 28, 2012 17:45:43 GMT -5
I like Meeks, but he's no Sweetney. Few are.
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Post by nychoya3 on Apr 28, 2012 17:54:51 GMT -5
Yeah my point wasn't that he's as good as Sweets was, just that saying we should NOT take a guy because he's like Sweetney is insanely stupid.
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Post by ottomatic on Apr 28, 2012 18:36:21 GMT -5
He wants to get in shape, and we can do that rather easily. This mid is talented. Also, it would help with our other recruit (probably a PG) too know we already have a talented guy locked up
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Post by idhoya on Apr 28, 2012 18:38:01 GMT -5
hoyas have increased attention on Jimmie Taylor, fwiw. Interesting to see if Kirby bouncin has an effect on Taylor's recruitment.
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Post by HoyaJake on Apr 29, 2012 0:24:36 GMT -5
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Post by RDF on Apr 29, 2012 0:55:30 GMT -5
Meeks has a nice skill set for Georgetown offensively--at least from high post/face up. He struggles immensely in the paint--gets shot blocked/altered a lot and really is a bad defensive player. Decent rebounder-but no Mike Sweetney in terms of knowing how to use his size/run the court and own the glass. Sweets was a great college player. Meeks is a good HS player who is 40 lbs overweight. A GREAT kid--well liked, has good demeanor on court/leadership--but wears down late in games due to his lack of stamina.
If you get him/take his early commitment--you have to have big frontline/tall/defensive oriented Center beside him--because he can't defend a lick. He can't defend away from hoop or inside. Even with his mass--he gets shot over--has no leaping ability at all and it wouldn't change much even with weight loss-just heavy legged and not quick off the floor.
Love his basketball IQ and passing ability and really nice jumpshot for a PF. Hunter is going to do what it takes to try and sell this one, LOL
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Post by Yaboynyp on Apr 29, 2012 9:44:36 GMT -5
Kennedy Meeks (Team United 2013) – Meeks got the better of highly touted big man Jahlil Okafor in their head to head matchup Friday night. He didn’t lead his team in the scoring column but the 6’8” post managed to impact the game with his outstanding passing skills. Meeks is a phenomenal outlet passer and started countless fast break opportunities by whipping outlets to streaking teammates. He also proficiently handled double teams on the block always remaining calm and finding the open man. Meeks needs to be more assertive at times inside but his soft feet, basketball IQ, and passing skills will carry him far. www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2012-0428/nike-eybl-session-2-boo-williams-day-i/ |
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Post by TC on Apr 29, 2012 10:56:12 GMT -5
Meeks is a good HS player who is 40 lbs overweight. A GREAT kid--well liked, has good demeanor on court/leadership--but wears down late in games due to his lack of stamina. Which was exactly what Sweeney was in high school. From the highlights at least it looks like he has good timing : He gets several blocks by just pure timing in this video - and while his vertical leaves a lot to be desired, he has a nose for the ball and decent rebounding form on the offensive glass, keeping the ball high and bouncing back up for shots. This is a really, really high skill player. His conditioning could be fixed - and on a decent timeframe, and even without a complete conditioning fix you are still looking at a big contributor. Teaching someone like Hayes the amount of skill that he'd need to contribute anything is a much, much greater effort. |
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Post by RDF on Apr 29, 2012 11:13:35 GMT -5
Meeks is a good HS player who is 40 lbs overweight. A GREAT kid--well liked, has good demeanor on court/leadership--but wears down late in games due to his lack of stamina. Which was exactly what Sweeney was in high school. From the highlights at least it looks like he has good timing : He gets several blocks by just pure timing in this video - and while his vertical leaves a lot to be desired, he has a nose for the ball and decent rebounding form on the offensive glass, keeping the ball high and bouncing back up for shots. This is a really, really high skill player. His conditioning could be fixed - and on a decent timeframe, and even without a complete conditioning fix you are still looking at a big contributor. Teaching someone like Hayes the amount of skill that he'd need to contribute anything is a much, much greater effort. Meeks can't play as a 5--he'd get killed and all teams have to do to defend him is crowd him--he can't drive/elevate at all. He's got a nice jumper-but why would he get the shot if he can't drive. His post game is non existent--so how does this compare to Mike Sweetney? Sweetney was a dominant player in HS--Meeks is a good player. Meeks will NEVER approach what Mike did at Georgetown--and Mike was a lottery pick--Meeks will be lucky if he's drafted. That doesn't mean that he can't be a good college player. But you need a legit big with him because he's an awful defensive player and not the level of rebounder Sweetney was. Some of you forget how good Sweetney was. This kid isn't Mike, but he can be a good player. Depends on what happens rest of Spring regarding '12 class but you better have defensive oriented big/legit size with him because if you put Meeks as your 5--that is a team isn't going to defend anyone and you won't have a post presence. |
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Post by drd13 on Apr 29, 2012 11:21:49 GMT -5
It sounds like defense will be an issue with him regardless, but I'd have to imagine with conditioning and work with Othella, he could be a very effective player on offense for us.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Apr 29, 2012 11:25:28 GMT -5
Meeks could be an excellent 4 in college if he got his conditioning and weight under control. Big if, but bigger upside than some seem to believe. I think he's next to pop, especially if Pollard and Hayes go somewhere else.
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Post by RDF on Apr 29, 2012 11:40:09 GMT -5
He's got a nice jumpshot from 3pt range in--good release and form. Very, very good passer/hoops IQ--but he's very marginal in post--despite his size. You would think he'd use his size to his advantage to create space-but he'll hesitate/try to jump over guys and gets shots swatted/altered. Can see why he likes Georgetown--he can play high post--he'd be tough there. Defensively--he's as bad as it gets. No presence at all. Weight loss would help a bit--but you either have that instinct or don't. Average rebounder for his size as well. Really struggled against smallish teams on EYBL circuit. Get a lot of bouncy guys who are athletic but not great size. That will be an issue for him because the previous 2 classes --especially '12 class is loaded with talented bigs and classes behind him have size too. He's a 4 year player all the way--which is not a knock-just saying he'd need 4 years.
A frontcourt duo of he/guys Hoyas have and possibly get in Hayes is a good fit. Just Meeks--isn't enough. Needs help--he gets into foul trouble a lot too--so give him some help and let him play High Post on offense and PF spot on defense and you're fine. Tell him his job is to get boards and that's it--and he'll be alright.
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Post by daymondmyles on Apr 29, 2012 11:46:05 GMT -5
Pair him with a defensive 5? Can't Moses be that 5?
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Post by TC on Apr 29, 2012 11:50:00 GMT -5
Meeks can't play as a 5--he'd get killed and all teams have to do to defend him is crowd him--he can't drive/elevate at all. He's got a nice jumper-but why would he get the shot if he can't drive. His post game is non existent--so how does this compare to Mike Sweetney? Why would anyone want him to play as a 5? He's a picture perfect 4, and a lineup of Rivera/Whittington/Porter/Meeks/Adams (or Abraham or Hopkins at the 5) would be amazing. Meeks would not have to start or contribute a great deal defensively in his defensively with Lubick in his Senior year. Sweetney was a top 50 guy. Rivals has Meeks at 58 right now. Where's the huge difference? Plus, I think you're forgetting what kind of shape Sweetney was in when he left Oxon Hill : www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-70251772.htmlI'm not saying that he's Sweetney - I'm saying the same sort of potential is there with hard work. Meeks should be a 4. |
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 29, 2012 12:16:54 GMT -5
One assumes that JT3 (and Othella) can teach the guy a post move or two if he's willing to put in the effort to learn it. I mean, they taught Macklin a decent hook shot, and he himself said he wasn't putting in the effort he should have.
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Post by deacon on Apr 29, 2012 12:47:01 GMT -5
Can we just stop mentioning Sweetney and Meeks in the same paragraphs.
No comparison at all.
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 29, 2012 12:58:00 GMT -5
How about Meeks and John "Hotplate" Williams of LSU then the Bullets? Is that a good comparison? IIRC, Hotplate was a decent passer for a man his size.
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