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Post by strummer8526 on Aug 10, 2010 16:02:45 GMT -5
The Georgetown Fan base is one of the most negative in the country. Everyone here is so pessimistic. The majority of message boards are filled with homers who are optimistic no matter what. We don't have anyone like that here. Do you even read Lic's posts? ;D
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Aug 10, 2010 16:03:32 GMT -5
Look all sites are depressing after something bad happens, but this site is negative even when things are going well or when nothing is happening. People aren't satisfied even after wins.
Seriously go around to other boards and look at their preseason predictions even at places like rutgers, providence, and seton hall they're optimistic about their chances of making the NCAAs most years. Yet everyone around here is too rational and pessimistic. If these other boards had the type of talent we have at Georgetown they'd be talking national championship every year. All 3 of those fan bases on their messageboards thought they were making the NCAAs last year, Seton Hall at least came close, but the others weren't even NIT material. We could just use some more delusional fans over here. We need some more 13 year olds who don't know what they're talking about and are positive on everything.
We had 23 wins last year, were ranked most of the year, made the finals of the BET and earned a 3 seed in the NCAA tournament, but because of the Ohio loss everyone throws all those good things out the windows and acts like we had a losing season last year and have no hope of being good next year, even though most writers are picking us to challenge for the top of the big east next year. Everyone here is of the mind set that they'll believe it when they see it and that we have a bunch of losers.
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Post by gtowndynasty on Aug 10, 2010 16:29:10 GMT -5
Really guys???
Put me in the category of those that dont believeboard chatter is not killing us. I mean sure some posters are always negative, but imho, when things are going well, the board is reasonable. There are always gonna be eternal haters, that is true on ALL boards, but for the most part things are pretty reasonable.
People are somewhat panicking now because there is good reason. I dont believe the board chatter is causing us to lose recruits, especially as it relates to to the schools the recruits are choosing. I mean guys are not saying no to gtown and yes to liberty.
If a player sees the board and sees something negative and chooses to go elsewhere, Im sure he would have made the same choice without the board. Our shortcomings are well documented so no need to go into them, but it is perfectly reasonable for fans to be concerned right now, especially if nothing comes through soon.
We are not going to thrive with a bunch of Bowens and Benimons (no offense as they are great finds, but these guys have to be mixed with other guys that can take over a game like Austin and Greg). Right now, the 2011-12 season is looking pretty bad. I dont see anything wrong with giving an honest assessment of things. Everybody cant be LIC and see no evil...
With that said, we can still pull it together, but we need to stop saying oh well we can focus on next year now because we said it in 2009 and 2010 and now we are saying it in regard to the 2011 class. Just because a player lists us amongst 7 or 8 other schools is not that impressive. We need to make offers and get commits from the 4 star guys and stop waiting for the 5 star with 10 offers that wants to wait until sr year to sign because the schollies we hold for them we hve to scramble and search for "gems" when we could have given em to a more quality 4 star guy that actually wants to be here.
Just my $0.02
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Post by hoyaboya on Aug 10, 2010 16:34:00 GMT -5
Furthermore, spare me the recruiting crap. There's a whole lot of blah blah blah here because no one knows how good these kids are going to be or who we are going to get. You do realize you're on the Recruiting board, correct?
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Post by mfrekko on Aug 10, 2010 16:40:12 GMT -5
"Everyone here is of the mind set that they'll believe it when they see it and that we have a bunch of losers."
I think this comment is a huge stretch. Couldn't disagree more, HSB.
I think the people who post what they believe to be more realistic assessments of the Hoya program and are not 100% homers are considered by the homers to be negative nellies. As a realist, I obviously disagree with this assessment.
The beauty of this board is that we are in a constant vicious cycle in that, when things go well, the realists are attacked as negative nellies, and when something goes bad, the realists are in "I told you so" mode, which Editedes off the homers.
It's like marriage.
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Post by RDF on Aug 10, 2010 16:56:46 GMT -5
How's the optimism been working for the program? If you are involved with players who base decisions off the talk on internet boards--you have bigger problems then losing recruits--you need to overhaul your recruiting efforts and examine what type of coaches you have hired. Your grasp of what does and doesn't influence and effect teenagers and their parents continues to astound. Preach on! Preach on! How's the preaching going on the other board, btw? About as well as Georgetown basketball program is doing in March, or in recruiting.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Aug 10, 2010 17:05:00 GMT -5
haha, wait did RDF get banned from balla's website? that's hilarious.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Aug 10, 2010 17:05:42 GMT -5
I'm just saying most of the people who post here are realistic but compared to what most fanbases say being relaistic is comparatively negative.
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Post by RDF on Aug 10, 2010 17:05:53 GMT -5
BTW--there is a rumor that because of the negativity on the board--Johnny O'Bryant changed his mind and added the Hoyas to torment the fanbase and drive everyone nuts.
Seriously--what we say makes no difference. If it did--we'd have a roster of 7'0 guys for Lic, do away with midget ball for my benefit, wear black jerseys for the guys who like that, do away with Princeton offense for fans who hate that, press for fans who like that, wouldn't have Lubick because National Board said Gtown doesn't play White kids and have a racist coaching staff, etc.......so you have to take things with a grain of salt.
Will say that maybe coaches/fans should pay more attention to some kids Social Networking as a sign of where their "mood" is at regarding their recruitment--it's far more telling then what any of us say.
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Post by RDF on Aug 10, 2010 17:11:20 GMT -5
haha, wait did RDF get banned from balla's website? that's hilarious. Sure did--and for being an over the top A-hole--which makes me wonder--how did he not know this FAR before ever allowing me to be there in first place? What has changed? ;D He's a good guy--and has right to run his board how he wants--we just vehemently disagree on certain things--but he's got good info and appreciate any forum to follow the Hoyas. I agree with his opinion on Georgetown ethics--but I also believe that disagreement isnt' always bad--or sharing an opinion. Either way, I'm gone and their site is better for it--and others are worse off for having me. ;D
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Post by SFHoya99 on Aug 10, 2010 17:16:26 GMT -5
Furthermore, spare me the recruiting crap. There's a whole lot of blah blah blah here because no one knows how good these kids are going to be or who we are going to get. You do realize you're on the Recruiting board, correct? And I watch it as close as anyone. I'm one of the few, though, who seems to realize that losing a kid or even three, isn't the end of the world. Doesn't even mean those kids will be any good. Look at a post above -- 2011-12 is going to be a disaster? G - Clark, Starks, Sanford SF - Thompson, Bowen, Benimon Bigs - Lubick, Abraham, Sims That's with 0 2011 commits, which is hardly certain. Is that team awful? I doubt it. Recruiting is vitally important. But the Hoyas' best class in a decade had Cornelio Guibunda as its highest-rated recruit, it's best guard a complete unknown and sent two guys -- neither in the consensus Top 100 -- to the NBA. Going for unknowns isn't a strategy I'm proposing. But pretending there isn't a massive variance in actual college productivity and recruiting rankings is silly. I guess this is all a way of saying that I'm on board with getting quality players at the right position -- aside from RDF, I'm probably the biggest proponent of bigs, bigs, bigs. I just don't put that much stock in who it is. If we end up with a class of complete unknowns, I will be there with you guys. But right now? No. Specific guys don't mean anything to me.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Aug 10, 2010 17:16:36 GMT -5
How many of you guys have gone through the recruiting process to see what kinda things recruits pay attention to?
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Post by williambraskyiii on Aug 10, 2010 17:23:56 GMT -5
yeah well RDF, you're my dude...keep preachin' on! I for one enjoy it and, more times than not, agree wholeheartedly with your posts.
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Post by gtowndynasty on Aug 10, 2010 17:46:52 GMT -5
How many of you guys have gone through the recruiting process to see what kinda things recruits pay attention to? I have talked to a few gtown targets and others and in no certain order these things pop up as considerations. -facilities -league prospects (ie-does your system enable me to showcase what I need to showcase to get to the L from my position and who has preceded me that is there) -system -playing time -campus life -coach and staff -television exposure -city school is located in Now some of those things cut in our favor as compared to other programs. Others, well not so much. FWIW, I have never heard a recruit say the board where fans post is important, or even mentioned at all... But then again, I have not talked to enough recruits to say this is absolutely something they dont pay attention to, but the list above is what I have heard consistently.
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Post by calhoya on Aug 10, 2010 17:51:48 GMT -5
We've been through the recruiting process twice--once for our daughter and once for our son. We've watched our kids make choices based upon completely different criteria and value judgments. Decisions changed almost weekly and in each instance my preferred coach was not selected. They are not going to be stars, but both will get a good education and athletcis will be an important part of the process.
It is frustrating to read the comments here and elsewhere when a recruit does not select the Hoyas. Suddenly, many who sang the praises of the recruit for days/weeks/months now blame the kid, question his academic skills, work habits or the ethics of his family. Opposing coaches are crooks, incompetent, liars,etc. Come on! Get over it! When Moses Abraham chose the Hoyas, Indiana went crazy with accusations and justifications for their second place finish. Georgetown is a great school, but it is not unique. JT III may be a very good coach and have the nicest demeanor in the world but he is not unique. A kid may want to move away from home, stay close to home, attend a larger school, live in a smaller collegiate community, or simply attend a school with a different looking campus or gym. It is all very subjective and not always related to money. Every kid on the team picked the Hoyas over some other school(s).
I have no problem with criticism of the coach for the coaching or the recruiting effort, but when you go all out and finish second it is important to move on.
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