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Post by turbohoya on Jul 22, 2010 14:01:56 GMT -5
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The Stig
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Post by The Stig on Jul 22, 2010 16:55:32 GMT -5
I think an article as good and interesting as this deserves to be on the main board. It's not like it deals with any specific recruit.
The article itself paints a very worrying picture. Every coach seems convinced that a lot of their rivals are cheating. They also comment about how it's so cutthroat between the coaches these days. Those two convictions can create a real poison. When a coach has to beat his rivals in order to keep his job, and he's convinced those rivals are cheating, then he's going to feel the need to cheat in order to keep up with the cheaters.
We saw this exact same phenomenon with PEDs, especially in cycling. Riders thought that everybody else was doping, so they felt they had to use PEDs to keep up with the cheaters, otherwise they'd lose their sponsors to the cheaters and be forced out of the sport.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 22, 2010 17:30:39 GMT -5
Most worrisome?
Ten or so years ago, a real reporter wouldn't stop at an article like this. They'd go after cheaters and nail them to the wall.
But ESPN can't afford to lose the Calipari news cycle, can they?
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Post by lichoya68 on Jul 22, 2010 20:59:20 GMT -5
I THOUGHT this was a very good look at recruiting and college bball coaching very good go hoyas keep it clean work hard and win YES ;D
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Jul 22, 2010 21:03:17 GMT -5
This article was extremely interesting -- it is more about the process of recruiting that every team/coach has to go through. I would recommend moving it to the main board so more people notice it and read it.
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Post by jgalt on Jul 22, 2010 22:17:27 GMT -5
I just want to know who was saying what about who. Interesting that Someone mentioned UNC by name (i was less surprised they mentioned Coach Cal).
SF is right though. Reporters should be going after these guys more. Maybe as the MSM gets the anonymity of the internet more one will "go rogue" and expose everything (like a Wikileaks for basketball/football). That would quite amusing.
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Post by harwoodhoya on Jul 23, 2010 0:31:29 GMT -5
I smell Kentucky!
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jul 23, 2010 8:51:45 GMT -5
Really cool article.
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Post by NCHoya on Jul 23, 2010 9:50:53 GMT -5
Sounds like we need another Yahoo! Sports-type of investigation that exposed USC's devious behavior that eventually led to some pretty heavy sanctions. I think you could start with Calipari.
As for the article, I thought it was interesting to read how coaches think about the game and their peers. Amazing you could have such a different experience between two top prospects - one receiving money via various expense accounts all over town and the other complaining about having no money. It goes to show, 1) this can be a very dirty business and 2) there are still coaches and players doing things the right way and being successful.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jul 23, 2010 10:10:56 GMT -5
greg and cousins? lol.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jul 23, 2010 11:09:47 GMT -5
One thing that kept the game in line and all it's business in public throughout the years has been press. Reporters used to go out and get a story no matter what. Good reporters write commentaries after a scandal happened but great reporters undercover a scandal! Even if it results in people getting fired/arrested.
If a newspaper/blog/info-site wants to get popular, go to the industries where everyone "knows" there is dirt and find some hard evidence and publish the juice!
This is also the only way that basketball will clean up at all. Cal will keep doing his thing, even if everyone publically knows but some of the other/smaller coaches would need to protect their integrity and public image.
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Post by tgo on Jul 23, 2010 12:48:23 GMT -5
i would love to know if JT III was on of the coaches they talked to, they said the conversations all happened at one tournament, is there a list of which coaches attended that tourny or is it a big enough deal that basically every coach was there at some point?
very interesting read, so true what stig and other say above, if you think everyone is cheating, more and more pressure to cheat will weigh on your shoulders.
very interesting points about summer recruiting and why they all hate it, your new kids have just arrived on campus and yet the coach has to be on the road while the kid is away from home and learning a whole new world, summertime seems to be a very dangerous time for incoming freshman, at more chances to get in trouble and fewer people checking up on you/providing guidance.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jul 23, 2010 13:01:35 GMT -5
It's fun to try and figure out who said what quotes:
"What don't I like about summer? Everything. The babysitting, the ass-kissing. Does that cover it?''
"All of it. Get rid of the whole thing. There are so many stupid rules in that thing that you can't enforce. We need to throw it away.''
- sounds like calhoun to me.
This one sounds like JTIII: "I told a kid recently, 'If you say NBA one more time I'm walking out the door,''' a coach said. "If you're good enough, you'll leave after one year or two years or three years. I'm here to talk to you about coming to college and playing for me. I had six kids leave early. The ones who were all-in went [top 10]; the ones who had one foot out the door went late." but the numbers don't add up so it can't be him.
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Post by TBird41 on Jul 23, 2010 13:44:11 GMT -5
It's fun to try and figure out who said what quotes: "What don't I like about summer? Everything. The babysitting, the ass-kissing. Does that cover it?'' "All of it. Get rid of the whole thing. There are so many stupid rules in that thing that you can't enforce. We need to throw it away.'' - sounds like calhoun to me. This one sounds like JTIII: "I told a kid recently, 'If you say NBA one more time I'm walking out the door,''' a coach said. "If you're good enough, you'll leave after one year or two years or three years. I'm here to talk to you about coming to college and playing for me. I had six kids leave early. The ones who were all-in went [top 10]; the ones who had one foot out the door went late." but the numbers don't add up so it can't be him. I thought the same thing, but that's too many early entries to be JT3. |
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Post by jgalt on Jul 24, 2010 1:03:02 GMT -5
If Katz had written this article I would be inclined to think JTIII was one of the coaches, but he didnt so i wouldnt jump to any conclusions. It was definately clear that there were few new coaches or mid major coaches- it seemed like it was mostly old guard coaches but not the highest profile ones (Cal, Izzo, K, etc.)
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Post by HoyaLawya on Jul 24, 2010 11:27:29 GMT -5
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Post by kchoya on Jul 24, 2010 11:46:43 GMT -5
Most worrisome? Ten or so years ago, a real reporter wouldn't stop at an article like this. They'd go after cheaters and nail them to the wall. But ESPN can't afford to lose the Calipari news cycle, can they? How do you do that? I doubt your going to get many coaches to talk on the record about that sort of stuff. Or even have their names associated in any way. They don't want to become another Bruce Pearl or Abar Rouse. |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 26, 2010 9:47:53 GMT -5
Most worrisome? Ten or so years ago, a real reporter wouldn't stop at an article like this. They'd go after cheaters and nail them to the wall. But ESPN can't afford to lose the Calipari news cycle, can they? How do you do that? I doubt your going to get many coaches to talk on the record about that sort of stuff. Or even have their names associated in any way. They don't want to become another Bruce Pearl or Abar Rouse. Umm, real investigative reporting? You know, taking information from an anonymous source and finding corroborating evidence. How did they nail Reggie Bush? Oh, because Yahoo did it, not someone who televises college basketball. |
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Post by theexorcist on Jul 26, 2010 12:50:43 GMT -5
Most worrisome? Ten or so years ago, a real reporter wouldn't stop at an article like this. They'd go after cheaters and nail them to the wall. But ESPN can't afford to lose the Calipari news cycle, can they? How do you do that? I doubt your going to get many coaches to talk on the record about that sort of stuff. Or even have their names associated in any way. They don't want to become another Bruce Pearl or Abar Rouse. If anything, it seems like more cheating programs are being exposed now, though it may just be the internet. And there are enough blogs that will perform basic and occasionally involved research on allegations. However, since assistants get blackballed for cooperating, as has been mentioned, it's tough. |
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Post by The Stig on Jul 30, 2010 16:19:18 GMT -5
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