TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Jun 1, 2010 12:43:57 GMT -5
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Post by Boz on Jun 1, 2010 13:34:30 GMT -5
Unfortunate.
Neither are my favorite people in the world, but sad anyway.
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 1, 2010 14:51:16 GMT -5
The article says nothing about divorce, only separaqtion. Hopefully they can reconcile.
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Post by Bando on Jun 1, 2010 15:11:51 GMT -5
It was the demon rock music with it's suggestive lyrics that drove them apart! (yeah, I'm still Editeded about the PMRC).
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Post by Elvado on Jun 1, 2010 19:25:38 GMT -5
Can anyone really blame her? Can anyone really blame him? Sad all the way around. At last look, she was "Tipping" the scales at about 280 and he looked like a caricature of an Alec Baldwin caricature of a deranged politician.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Jun 5, 2010 12:28:12 GMT -5
Al Gore was probably destined for a rough time after 2000, and his defeat was not made any better by the widespread failure of the person who defeated him. The separation from Tipper is only the latest chapter. Nonetheless, I give Al Gore a lot of credit for adding some heft to global warming issues. I only wish that his environmental advocacy had more breadth - tackling things like endangered species, preservation of open space, and the like. It could have been a lot worse for him.
I am generally surprised by continued dislike of him by Republicans and conservatives, especially in light of the Clinton/Gore record on balanced budgets. Had he won, the GOP may also have been saved from the historic embarassment known as the Bush presidency.
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 5, 2010 13:00:34 GMT -5
Al Gore was probably destined for a rough time after 2000, and his defeat was not made any better by the widespread failure of the person who defeated him. The separation from Tipper is only the latest chapter. Nonetheless, I give Al Gore a lot of credit for adding some heft to global warming issues. I only wish that his environmental advocacy had more breadth - tackling things like endangered species, preservation of open space, and the like. It could have been a lot worse for him. I am generally surprised by continued dislike of him by Republicans and conservatives, especially in light of the Clinton/Gore record on balanced budgets. Had he won, the GOP may also have been saved from the historic embarassment known as the Bush presidency. I dunno. Bush presidency is lookin' better every day. |
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Jun 5, 2010 13:23:40 GMT -5
Ed - I agree with that to some extent. I got into some heated discussions with Obama staffers (low level) about how things would not change much simply because they could not after the near meltdown in fall 2008 and how his ability to get anything done would be almost swallowed by the economic circumstances. I told them that I would be happy if, by 2012, we could somehow restore the state of affairs to something like what was around in 2006 - not great, to be sure, but far better than the fall 2008 America.
As unemployment headed toward double-digits, the die was cast as to how much Obama would truly be able to accomplish, particularly as it relates to the "change" agenda. Virtually gone from memory is the need to close the facility in Guantanamo, for example, simply because that need has been overtaken by events, be it international instability in North Korea, Israel, etc., the BP spill disaster, the economy, or something else. Whether you agree with that policy or not, I think it sucks that we elected someone who is unable to further the agenda that got him into office in the first place. He's not the first in those regards, and he won't be the last. Of course, there are several who love that this is the case.
Almost overnight, the purpose of Obama's campaign became meaningless since he would need to be more of a mess cleaner than a pro-active change agent, and I am not totally sure that the Obama inner circle has been able to react to that since a mess cleaning role is more suited for a career DC insider/technocrat.
Do I blame Obama for the economy? Not yet. Only naivete agrees with the argument that unemployment could be much lower right now based on the tax cutting religion/false panacea arguments that always surface or the post-bailout arguments. I tend to think that any job growth we could have achieved over the last few years over and above whatever has occurred would only be marginal, and I don't think we've seen an alternate projection based on a Republican plan that would suggest otherwise. There aren't too many projections given based on a no-bailout scenario, and there's a good reason why - the market would have run a fairly brutal course, and people would have complained even more. I believed then as I believe now that government is incapable of solving the problem even in a year or two, and it may take an entire presidency (or two) given the scope of the financial loss that occurred. I am not sure how Obama can be blamed for that right now, but he'll take some heat if the economy does not improve by the time he's done, be it in two years or six. In the meanwhile, I think we just have to grin and bear it - it was a mess of our own making due to deregulation and greed.
Still, I wouldn't trade what has occurred in the first 2 years of Obama for what occurred in the first 2 years of Bush (leaving Katrina response, tax cut and spend, and the fall 2008 meltdown etc. out of the analysis), but I am open to any argument to the contrary. Whether Bush's fault or not, the events during just those years of his presidency were among some of the darkest in American history.
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Post by kchoya on Jun 15, 2010 13:15:25 GMT -5
The article says nothing about divorce, only separaqtion. Hopefully they can reconcile. Not if today's flashy-siren-beacon-of-truth-thingy on Drudge is correct.  |
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Post by kchoya on Jun 15, 2010 15:22:54 GMT -5
Pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty... ...predictable www.starmagazine.com/al_gore_laurie_david_affair/news/16986"Al Gore's split from wife Tipper after 40 years of marriage was a shock to everyone who thought theirs was the ideal marriage. Now Star can exclusively reveal that the former Vice President was having an affair with Larry David's ex-wife — for the past two years! " |
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Jun 15, 2010 15:45:20 GMT -5
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Post by Boz on Jun 16, 2010 18:04:13 GMT -5
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jun 17, 2010 6:52:58 GMT -5
If she's the jealous type, I'm with Al. Deal killer for me, too. Don't you just love the Inquirer? ;D
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Post by Bando on Jun 17, 2010 11:12:58 GMT -5
Al Gore was probably destined for a rough time after 2000, and his defeat was not made any better by the widespread failure of the person who defeated him. The separation from Tipper is only the latest chapter. Nonetheless, I give Al Gore a lot of credit for adding some heft to global warming issues. I only wish that his environmental advocacy had more breadth - tackling things like endangered species, preservation of open space, and the like. It could have been a lot worse for him. I am generally surprised by continued dislike of him by Republicans and conservatives, especially in light of the Clinton/Gore record on balanced budgets. Had he won, the GOP may also have been saved from the historic embarassment known as the Bush presidency. I dunno. Bush presidency is lookin' better every day. Is there an emoticon for "spit out drink because something was so insane"? |
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Post by rosslynhoya on Jun 17, 2010 11:30:16 GMT -5
I dunno. Bush presidency is lookin' better every day. Is there an emoticon for "spit out drink because something was so insane"? You don't think your people are going to start regretting eight years of calling Bush "stupid" and "incompetent"?? You're the ones who set the bar for presidential performance absurdly low and His Professorship is STILL unable to meet those expectations (despite ridiculously overwhelming majorities in both houses of Congress). The bottom line: I think we may never see another supergenius lawtalking guy nominated by either party ever again. |
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Post by Boz on Jun 24, 2010 14:34:45 GMT -5
"Crazed sex poodle?" Honestly, I really don't know what the worst part of that phrase is.  |
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