Boz
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Post by Boz on Apr 20, 2010 15:55:45 GMT -5
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Post by redskins12820 on Apr 20, 2010 16:02:56 GMT -5
As long as they still give a pickle with the chicken madness (I'm hoping they haven't done away with this since I graduated). They already took away the soda, but if they take away the pickle I will officially boycott from out of state.
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Post by jgalt on Apr 20, 2010 16:06:00 GMT -5
Man, i am pumped to start trafficking in the white stuff. Hiding salt in domino sugar box, storing sea water in a deer park bottle, the possibilities are endless.
Now would one be allowed bring their own salt into a restaurant. If not that would bring up a whole 'nother can of worms.
But seriously salt is terrible for you, i rarely add it to food i cook, but god damn it i should be able to poor those crystals down my throat (freebasing) if i want to!
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Post by CAHoya07 on Apr 20, 2010 16:24:28 GMT -5
Meh, not a huge deal, I don't think. It's a health thing. I actually think it's good that this has been identified as a problem.
I admit, I have not read the whole article(s) yet.
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 20, 2010 16:35:02 GMT -5
In America, first you get da Salt, then you get da power, then you get da women...
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Post by Boz on Apr 20, 2010 17:49:51 GMT -5
But seriously salt is terrible for you, Salt is not terrible for you. Salt is actually essential for you. Too MUCH salt is very bad for you. So is too much beer. Do you want to government to be installing two drink maximums at the bars you go to? Or tracking how much beer you buy at the grocery store and cutting you off if you buy more than a six pack a week? Too much of anything is bad for you. The FDA classifying salt as "unsafe" is absolutely ridiculous. I think for health reasons if we want to encourage manufacturers to at least fully disclose the salt content of their prepared foods (which we already do) that is fine. I have no problem with providing everyone with complete information about what they eat. Everything after that is personal responsibility. The federal government has no place in mandating these types of limits. You know what's really much, much, MUCH worse for you in excess than salt? Dairy products. If the FDA can do this, why can't they limit the production of cheese and milk? It's in our best interest after all. I'm sorry, I really don't want to sound like Glenn Beck, but what the hell kind of America is that?
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Apr 20, 2010 18:02:54 GMT -5
While I note that the FDA is well within its rights to enact such a rule, I think this is a government overreach. This is best described not as a public health dilemma, but as millions of personal health dilemmas, combined. It's not like the smoking bans. Additionally, many salt-heavy processed foods are cheap because they are highly subsidized through the USDA. Many poor or middle class Americans with families to feed have a tendency to buy the cheapest groceries on the shelves. Hence, too much salt in the American diet. So, will we stop subsidizing "cheap" processed foods? No, we'll just start regulating them, without changing the root of the problem. Stupid.
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Post by EasyEd on Apr 20, 2010 18:27:08 GMT -5
If the Obama administration wants to regulate salt maybe it also can regulate the number of cigarettes Obama smokes. Also, with all those 32 golf occurences since taking office, maybe they should limit how much sun Obama is exposed to, recogizing the increased danger of melanoma. Next thing you know they are going to try to regulate the health insurance industry, the automobile industry, the oil and gas industries and the financial industry.
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Post by MassHoya on Apr 20, 2010 19:20:21 GMT -5
Did you ever notice that all white powders are bad for you? Salt, heroin, cocaine, sugar, white flour. Gin, however, is clear...Makes the choice easy.
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Post by jgalt on Apr 20, 2010 20:12:08 GMT -5
But seriously salt is terrible for you, Salt is not terrible for you. Salt is actually essential for you. Too MUCH salt is very bad for you. So is too much beer. Do you want to government to be installing two drink maximums at the bars you go to? Or tracking how much beer you buy at the grocery store and cutting you off if you buy more than a six pack a week? Too much of anything is bad for you. The FDA classifying salt as "unsafe" is absolutely ridiculous. I think for health reasons if we want to encourage manufacturers to at least fully disclose the salt content of their prepared foods (which we already do) that is fine. I have no problem with providing everyone with complete information about what they eat. Everything after that is personal responsibility. The federal government has no place in mandating these types of limits. You know what's really much, much, MUCH worse for you in excess than salt? Dairy products. If the FDA can do this, why can't they limit the production of cheese and milk? It's in our best interest after all. I'm sorry, I really don't want to sound like Glenn Beck, but what the hell kind of America is that? Whoa Whoa Whoa Boz, you know that Im right there with you on this one and that I meant too much salt not all salt. Adding salt to food is usually unnecessary cause so much prepared food already has slat in it, lots of bogus low fat foods just bump up the salt to add flavor.
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Boz
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Post by Boz on Apr 20, 2010 21:11:46 GMT -5
Yeah, I hear you jgalt, and if the FDA wants to advise consumers about the potential dangers of excess sodium consumption (and, as I mentioned before, ensure that food contents are fully disclosed on all packaging), I have no problem with that.
But this step is going way too far, IMO.
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Post by afirth on Apr 20, 2010 21:41:03 GMT -5
So, will we stop subsidizing "cheap" processed foods? No, we'll just start regulating them, without changing the root of the problem. Stupid. This. It would take a christmas miracle to change the way food subsidies operate in this country.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2010 7:33:55 GMT -5
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Post by jgalt on Apr 21, 2010 8:42:39 GMT -5
I havent been watching that Jamie Oliver show where he goes to west virginia and yells about how everyone is so fat, but someone told me that there is a scene where he prepared a healthy lunch for the middles school. But the lunch ladies said that it didnt have enough vegetables by law (even though it had liked steamed vegies and stuff) so they had to add french fries so that it had enough vegetables. The problem is stupidity and there is no cure for that.
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Post by 3xhoya on Apr 21, 2010 9:41:04 GMT -5
The problem is laziness and lack of willingness to accept personal responsibility. I read this article yesterday and there was a person that posted they were very pleased with this. They said that there was so much salt in processed foods that they had to stop eating TV dinners and cook their own food which was unfair. What the hell is that? The rest of the world seems to have no problem buying fresh foods and cooking it themselves. We are turning into a lazy society where we expect everything to be done for us and handed to us. Next time I go out I hope someone for the government is there to hold my hand while I cross the street.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Apr 21, 2010 10:33:20 GMT -5
See, I actually think this is a good thing, and how government should work. I think many are going a little overboard here.
Government identified a public health risk - too much sodium in the average American's diet. Many Americans consume at least twice as much sodium as they should every day. Why? Because an overload of sodium is so prevalent in processed foods, with an alarming increase in the last 30 years. The risk for the public? Increased risk of heart attack, stroke, heart disease. That's bad - isn't that a weight on our health care system?
So the FDA will try to limit salt in processed foods, to help prevent possibly 100,000 deaths per year. It's not going to take salt away. Salt will still be readily available. There will just be less of it in processed foods. Great.
The government has already pushed manufacturers to voluntarily reduce salt and warn about the dangerous of excessive sodium. Those measures have failed. So the next step needs to be taken.
As an individual, if I am at the grocery storing looking for healthy food options but can't find any, then government should absolutely step in and make sure that those options are available, and stores aren't just selling cheap items that could be the equivalent of poison (an exaggeration, I know, but trying to make a point). It's for the good of the health of the nation.
Food will still taste good. If it doesn't, then I take back everything I just said. For instance, I like to eat pickles from time to time. It is an inherently salty food. If they ban the sale of pickles, then I take it all back. ;D
I just don't think this is a government overreach, but people have a fear complex about a domino effect. It only applies to processed food. And it will happen over 10 years. This is minor step. It's not like they're banning things. They're just lowering the level of sodium in certain things.
Salt is not as bad as, say, high fructose corn syrup, something that is in a lot of processed foods and probably needs to be examined too. But, we have a health problem in our country, and I'm glad that at least something is being done.
If you don't already, check nutrition labels some time. There is a ridiculous amount of sodium in almost everything. As someone who tries to eat healthy, sometimes it's hard to with what there is on the shelves. Which is why I applaud this.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 21, 2010 10:50:39 GMT -5
With stuff like this I think first and foremost they need to focus on educating the public. The majority of food people eat has way too much salt in it. Hopefully once people are fully educated on the subject the market will take care of itself( I know in practice probably not) Then since lets be honest we can't help but jam terrible stuff down our gullets maybe ban salt levels over a certain very high amount.
Everyone should be allowed to jam terrible stuff down their throat if they choose. We just need to make sure people know what's in the terrible stuff before they decide to jam it down their throat. I'd wager the majority of people don't know high salt is bad for them.
We need to fix the way we eat as a country. We need to get rid of high fructose corn syrup and go bakc to the more expensive but helatheir options. I think they should tax unhealthy food the way they do with cigarettes and make things liek fruits and vegetables much cheaper. The reason obesity is such a problem in this country is because all the stuff that's terrible is plentiful and cheap and all the stuff that's good for you is expensive and hard to find. Need to use money to switch these two things. That or hope jamie oliver can go town to town and fix the problem.
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Post by Bando on Apr 21, 2010 10:52:39 GMT -5
I love that this is what arouses "big government" ire in conservatives and not domestic spying, takeover of airport security, or a massive national security apparatus.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 21, 2010 12:50:22 GMT -5
Yeah, I hear you jgalt, and if the FDA wants to advise consumers about the potential dangers of excess sodium consumption (and, as I mentioned before, ensure that food contents are fully disclosed on all packaging), I have no problem with that. But this step is going way too far, IMO. Just curious. How do you feel about seat belt laws?
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Post by Boz on Apr 21, 2010 13:07:47 GMT -5
Completely unnecessary and almost certainly designed for revenue generation more than for public safety.
Also, there is no federal seat belt law, nor should there be.
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