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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 25, 2010 15:44:54 GMT -5
I'm trying as hard as possible to stay out of this little pi$$ing contest, but you all are making it very difficult. Please join in. I'm interested to see how you defend him this time. |
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Post by kchoya on Mar 25, 2010 15:51:20 GMT -5
No, but I do believe he was pushing his faith on people. Listen, it's right before one of the most important tests of my life -- do I want someone telling me to pray to something/one that I may not believe in? I don't think I used prostelytizing originally, so I think we're arguing semantics. I ask you: what do you think Tebow's motivation? Why would he ask for the whole room to pray? I remember praying (silently) before a test in middle school and realizing how ridiculous it was to me that God that should be asking God for help on a freaking test. I don't mind Tebow being openly religious. I thought his Super Bowl ad was fine (though his comment that he wasn't preaching was ridiculous). I actually think that prostelytizing is fine and have tried to explain to many of my strongly atheistic friends that people do it because they care about you. But there's a time and place, and there's also people screaming for attention. I don't think he had any motivation. I think he's a guy that is open about his faith and prays a lot. That's it. Motivation implies there is some sort of goal or endgame. Look, I don't pray before dinner. Some people do. When I eat at someone's house and we all say grace before eating, I don't think they're trying to convert me or have any sort of "motivation." I understand that you think it may not have been an appropriate time and place, but I don't think it's a big deal. I actually find it funny that some big lineman said Shut up. Maybe a little rude, but funny. |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 25, 2010 16:49:40 GMT -5
Of course, that's in their home.
What about when they come to your house? Or you meet for dinner out? Or, going to a dinner out with a bunch of business colleagues you've rarely or never met before today? Isn't that a closer parallel?
I guess I'll just say that I'd definitely find myself annoyed -- and I'm not an atheist or agnostic -- and definitely just question somebody who does that. It's enough against social convention that there's something thought out at some point there. Either that, or they are so self-centered they can't imagine others not agreeing with them.
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Post by kchoya on Mar 25, 2010 17:00:55 GMT -5
Of course, that's in their home. What about when they come to your house? Or you meet for dinner out? Or, going to a dinner out with a bunch of business colleagues you've rarely or never met before today? Isn't that a closer parallel? The whole NFL is Tim Tebow's House! [/hifi][/under armor] |
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Post by RDF on Mar 26, 2010 0:28:44 GMT -5
Maybe Urbie "SickBoy" Meyer can rush to his rescue like he did Deonte Thompson when a journalist had the "nerve" to QUOTE the player. Meyer confronted him in front of his peers and was very mad. Which can't be good for whatever it is that he was out sick with right?  |
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 26, 2010 12:07:13 GMT -5
Meh. Tim Tebow's religion, nor his public expression of his faith, concern me in the least. I don't see why they would concern anyone. I do think it's stupid to write Scripture verses on your eyeblack, but I think it would be stupid to write "Hi Mom!" on your eyeblack as well. Because that's not what eyeblack is for. I dislike him for one reason: his soon-to-be alma mater. (OK, two reasons. He gets the Tyler Hansbrough treatment from the media as well. He's good, yes. He's nowhere near as good as they make him out to be. And I'm sure he's also human and nowhere near the saint they make him out to be.) But if the Ravens draft Tebow as an H-back or something, I'll root for him. If the Steelers draft him, I'll hope he burns in hell, despite his faith. ;D I don't expect the Ravens to draft him, of course. We have a good general manager, you see. Austin 3:16 says hello. ;D |
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Post by hifigator on Mar 26, 2010 13:21:20 GMT -5
I'm trying as hard as possible to stay out of this little pi$$ing contest, but you all are making it very difficult. Please join in. I'm interested to see how you defend him this time. I'm not sure who I'm defending. Am I supposed to be defending Tebow for saying a prayer? That doesn't need defending, regardless of anyone's particular beliefs. Am I supposed to be defending Tebow for having concern for others enough to lead a group prayer? Again, that doesn't need any defending. What exactly am I supposed to be defending? As for Meyer, I will meet everyone halfway. I think Meyer responded inappropriately. I have no problem with his calling out the reporter, nor do I have a problem with his threats of banning the Orlando Sun Sentinal. I do have a bit of a problem with his implication that it could/should evolve to a physical confrontation. But the worst part was that twit for ESPN. I forget his name, but he's a lighter skinned black guy, bald with kind of a round face. Yesterday he was wearing a gray suit with lavender tie and pocket square. His response was just downright silly. He basically said that "it's a good thing he wasn't that journalist, or he'd have taken Meyer up on his threat of violence." That was as good as the WWE. |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 26, 2010 14:58:48 GMT -5
Really, you have issues with Meyer? A journalists quoted a Florida player, who knew exactly what he was saying.
Meyer should be getting mad at his wide receiver, not the guy doing his job.
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Post by hifigator on Mar 30, 2010 11:33:26 GMT -5
Really, you have issues with Meyer? A journalists quoted a Florida player, who knew exactly what he was saying. Meyer should be getting mad at his wide receiver, not the guy doing his job. I think you meant to say "really, you have issues with the reporter" In any case, I said that I thought Meyer acted inappropriately when he implicated physical confrontation. As far as the issue itself, no one in the Gator nation seems to have had any problem with it, and in fact, the players have been very supportive and vocal of Meyer, saying that "knowing that he's got their backs" is one of the selling points of Meyer and the program. And in all honesty, I do think that was the issue here. Meyer thought that Deonte Thompson was made to "look bad," by printing his initial comments without the explanation. Out of context, it could look like Deonte didn't like Tebow being the quarterback. His point was that it's entirely different with Brantley and when he said "real quarterback" -- which was really the phrase which caused all of the controversy -- what he meant was "traditional quarterback." While that's understandable if you think about it, to the casual listener/reader, it could carry a much more poignant meaning. Lastly, and this isn't as much common knowledge Nationally, but Meyer really doesn't like the media, in that he thinks that the media makes achieving success more difficult. The best example of this I can think of happened 2 years ago. The first week of fall practice was scheduled to be open to the public and therefore the media. Cornelius Ingram injured his knee, in what was later diagnosed as a torn ACL, causing Ingram his entire senior season. But well before the severity of the injury was known, a blogger who had a laptop posted the news. It spread like wildfire and what made it worse, is that Ingram is a local kid. He is from Hawthorne, which is a small town about 20 miles from G'ville. Within minutes, Ingram's mom, who is well known in the small community, was getting phone call after phone call asking what had happened. She hadn't even heard about the injury, so obviously her maternal concerns took over. So then she was calling coaches who were at practice, some of which might not have even known about the injury as well since they were working with their own position players. It ended up being a serious injury, but they didn't know at the time. Ingram walked off under his own power with only a slight limp, but ultimately it was a season and therefore college career ender. The point is that the open access of the practice, caused a lot of worry and concern that didn't help anything. Meyer's response was to close the rest of the practices. So instead of 10 open practices, we had 2. Then last year, the first 2 days -- 4 practices -- were scheduled to be open. It ended up only being 2 practices and they moved them to 6:30 in the morning. The bottom line is that he doesn't think that the media meddling with the team has any real benefit. Obviously, the fan in me wishes to know more. But the bottom line is winning fair and taking care of the student-athlete. Anything other than that, and certainly anything counterproductive to that is at the very least irrelevant. |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 30, 2010 14:40:43 GMT -5
Yes, you are right on what I meant.
I might have also meant you have no issue with Meyer?
I just don't get where a coach gets off yelling at a reporter for doing his job. There was absolutely nothing unethical there.
It's like someone cheating on their wife with a prostitute and wife finding them, and then only getting mad at the prostitute.
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Post by hifigator on Mar 30, 2010 15:41:15 GMT -5
We can agree to diasagree here. I understand it's impossible for me to be totally unbiased, but I honestly have no problem with his sentiment or his being confrontational. I do however, have a problem with the hint of physical confrontation. That's uncalled for and unprofessional. It was Meyer's view that a quote was printed strongly suggesting that Deonte Thompson was somehow unhappy with Tebow at quarterback and that Tebow was somehow NOT a "real quarterback." While that was what Thompson said at first, that clearly doesn't convey the intent. Thompson quickly clarified that he meant a real quarterback in the traditional sense. I have no problem with Meyer confronting the reporter and standing up for his players, given that the tone of the comment did not come through in print. Had the reporter said that Deonte went on to clarify that "he then clarified that he meant 'real' as in 'traditional' " then I don't think Meyer would have had a problem with it. But by leaving that out, the tone of the comments are entirely different. Do you not agree with that much?
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 30, 2010 20:51:21 GMT -5
Yes, you are right on what I meant. I might have also meant you have no issue with Meyer? I just don't get where a coach gets off yelling at a reporter for doing his job. There was absolutely nothing unethical there. It's like someone cheating on their wife with a prostitute and wife finding them, and then only getting mad at the prostitute. "Who are you going to believe, me or your eyes?" |
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Post by hifigator on Apr 5, 2010 15:37:58 GMT -5
For all of you Tebow bashers: I just heard a snippet from an interview with the BYU quarterback from last season. He said he chuckled when the read the story about Tebow offering to lead a prayer before the wonderlic test and being told to shut the ... up by someone else. He said that he was in the room and absolutely none to that happened. He said it wasn't an embellishment, but pure fabrication.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 5, 2010 16:19:27 GMT -5
For all of you Tebow bashers: I just heard a snippet from an interview with the BYU quarterback from last season. He said he chuckled when the read the story about Tebow offering to lead a prayer before the wonderlic test and being told to shut the ... up by someone else. He said that he was in the room and absolutely none to that happened. He said it wasn't an embellishment, but pure fabrication. You can't trust those Mormons...  |
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 19, 2015 22:50:31 GMT -5
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Post by SaxaCD on Apr 19, 2015 23:03:52 GMT -5
He may not be an NFL starter, but he's better than plenty of backups, from what I've seen. It's just that the publicity has grown so much about the guy that coaches and teams don't want the distraction on the roster. |
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Post by kchoya on Apr 20, 2015 0:49:42 GMT -5
Dang, I had forgotten about hifi
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Post by njhoya78 on Apr 20, 2015 11:54:18 GMT -5
Maybe the Eagles need another QB body for the preseason workouts. IF they were looking to motivate Sanchez, why would the Eagles have signed him to a two-year contract last month with $5.5 million in guaranteed money? If Kelly is trying to distract folks from his apparent inability to get Marriota, he's doing a great job. Otherwise, this is baffling. Or, to quote longtime WPVI Action News anchor Jim Gardner, "Oy vey." |
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Apr 20, 2015 13:22:19 GMT -5
I always thought Tebow would make a great rugby player.
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 20, 2015 14:20:32 GMT -5
I always thought Tebow would make a great rugby player. Love it Nevada! Great idea. For a QB, he makes a great running back. He has two big drawbacks as a QB. His passing accuracy is really poor, and he can't read defenses. Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln.... |
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