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Post by HoyaFanNY on Mar 24, 2010 6:49:20 GMT -5
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Post by hifigator on Mar 24, 2010 11:06:13 GMT -5
That first article is just a bunch of hogwash -- people trying to be critical and looking for a reason. As for the second one, comments from Deonte were discussed all day yesterday. Calling John Brantley more of a "pure passer" is not disrespect on Tebow. THe more inflaming remark was that Brantley was more of a "real guarerback." in any case, we welli have to soo.
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Post by kchoya on Mar 24, 2010 11:31:39 GMT -5
That's sort of out of the blue. You don't like Tebow, we get it.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Mar 24, 2010 12:17:12 GMT -5
hifi, tebow is a first class deleted (much like above) for trying to force his religious beliefs on a bunch of guys that could care less. he's a clown.
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 24, 2010 13:12:39 GMT -5
That first article is just a bunch of hogwash -- people trying to be critical and looking for a reason. As for the second one, comments from Deonte were discussed all day yesterday. Calling John Brantley more of a "pure passer" is not disrespect on Tebow. THe more inflaming remark was that Brantley was more of a "real guarerback." in any case, we welli have to soo. In the classical sense of a quarterback and their duties, isn't Brantley more of a "real quarterback". One reason why people liked Tebow so much was because he was a "new-age quarterback", kind of like Micheal Vick...but Tebow is white so he has much more "heart"
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Post by EasyEd on Mar 24, 2010 19:09:54 GMT -5
hifi, tebow is a first class deleted (much like above) for trying to force his religious beliefs on a bunch of guys that could care less. he's a clown. Wow. Guess it's not allowed for religious people to espouse their beliefs, unlike left-leaning people who tell us constantly about their beliefs on same-sex marriage, abortion and other things.
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Post by kchoya on Mar 25, 2010 11:05:54 GMT -5
hifi, tebow is a first class deleted (much like above) for trying to force his religious beliefs on a bunch of guys that could care less. he's a clown. How's he trying to force his beliefs on anyone?
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Post by RDF on Mar 25, 2010 11:28:34 GMT -5
If Tebow wanted to say a prayer, he's got every right to do so. It's also the right of other people in the room to tell him to go EXPLETIVE HIMSELF.
This is a non issue--that is just more fodder for putting Tebow in the media and shoving him down throats of fans who follow football--ala Favre. I don't blame Tebow--he didn't share this story--but really--who cares??
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 25, 2010 11:30:22 GMT -5
hifi, tebow is a first class deleted (much like above) for trying to force his religious beliefs on a bunch of guys that could care less. he's a clown. Wow. Guess it's not allowed for religious people to espouse their beliefs, unlike left-leaning people who tell us constantly about their beliefs on same-sex marriage, abortion and other things. Proselytizing is wrong, whatever the source. I don't know if Tebow is doing that, but I don't think most of we "left-leaners" do that, either.
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Post by kchoya on Mar 25, 2010 11:55:35 GMT -5
Wow. Guess it's not allowed for religious people to espouse their beliefs, unlike left-leaning people who tell us constantly about their beliefs on same-sex marriage, abortion and other things. Proselytizing is wrong, whatever the source. I don't know if Tebow is doing that, but I don't think most of we "left-leaners" do that, either. I don't think that Tebow, by asking to pray, was proselytizing.
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 25, 2010 13:21:53 GMT -5
Why didn't he just say his own little prayer? Why did he have to ask that everyone take a moment to say a prayer? It's these public declarations of piety that irritate me and lots of others.
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Post by Boz on Mar 25, 2010 13:30:41 GMT -5
Meh. Tim Tebow's religion, nor his public expression of his faith, concern me in the least. I don't see why they would concern anyone.
I do think it's stupid to write Scripture verses on your eyeblack, but I think it would be stupid to write "Hi Mom!" on your eyeblack as well. Because that's not what eyeblack is for.
I dislike him for one reason: his soon-to-be alma mater.
(OK, two reasons. He gets the Tyler Hansbrough treatment from the media as well. He's good, yes. He's nowhere near as good as they make him out to be. And I'm sure he's also human and nowhere near the saint they make him out to be.)
But if the Ravens draft Tebow as an H-back or something, I'll root for him. If the Steelers draft him, I'll hope he burns in hell, despite his faith. ;D
I don't expect the Ravens to draft him, of course. We have a good general manager, you see.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 25, 2010 14:20:08 GMT -5
Proselytizing is wrong, whatever the source. I don't know if Tebow is doing that, but I don't think most of we "left-leaners" do that, either. I don't think that Tebow, by asking to pray, was proselytizing. Did you read the article? He didn't ask to pray -- he asked the whole room to pray. At least according to the source. There's a huge difference.
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Post by kchoya on Mar 25, 2010 14:26:46 GMT -5
I don't think that Tebow, by asking to pray, was proselytizing. Did you read the article? He didn't ask to pray -- he asked the whole room to pray. At least according to the source. There's a huge difference. Yes I read the article. Thanks Dad. When I use the phrase "ask to pray" it means asking those around to join in prayer. I get that. Where there is a "huge difference" is between asking someone to pray and proselytizing. Do you really think Tebow was trying to convert someone before taking the Wonderlic?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 25, 2010 14:28:31 GMT -5
Oh, come on, if Tebow really wanted to pray before the test, dude could have just said a quick prayer without calling attention to himself. Either he's on an ego trip or prostelytizing.
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Post by kchoya on Mar 25, 2010 14:31:22 GMT -5
Oh, come on, if Tebow really wanted to pray before the test, dude could have just said a quick prayer without calling attention to himself. Either he's on an ego trip or prostelytizing. There's a middle ground between saying a silent prayer and proselytizing. Again, do you REALLY think he was trying to convert someone into his faith in the 3 minutes before taking the test? (or maybe you have a non-standard definition of proselytizing). Look, I get that a lot of people are uncomfortable in the how openly the guys shows his faith. But let's be accurate in what we're talking about.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Mar 25, 2010 14:39:43 GMT -5
he's a tool. is that accurate enough?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 25, 2010 14:43:09 GMT -5
No, but I do believe he was pushing his faith on people. Listen, it's right before one of the most important tests of my life -- do I want someone telling me to pray to something/one that I may not believe in?
I don't think I used prostelytizing originally, so I think we're arguing semantics.
I ask you: what do you think Tebow's motivation? Why would he ask for the whole room to pray? I remember praying (silently) before a test in middle school and realizing how ridiculous it was to me that God that should be asking God for help on a freaking test.
I don't mind Tebow being openly religious. I thought his Super Bowl ad was fine (though his comment that he wasn't preaching was ridiculous). I actually think that prostelytizing is fine and have tried to explain to many of my strongly atheistic friends that people do it because they care about you. But there's a time and place, and there's also people screaming for attention.
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Post by hifigator on Mar 25, 2010 14:43:59 GMT -5
I'm trying as hard as possible to stay out of this little pi$$ing contest, but you all are making it very difficult.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 25, 2010 14:52:39 GMT -5
I'm trying as hard as possible to stay out of this little pi$$ing contest, but you all are making it very difficult. You can join if you can keep it to five sentences or less.
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