cnyhoya
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Post by cnyhoya on Mar 19, 2010 14:42:20 GMT -5
Except for the fact that we all knew too well that "It could be happening". Based on past experiences. Sure, intellectually; technically it could have happened to us or anyone else. That's not really the point. The point was that, while it was actually happening, most of us were like "there's no way this is actually happening." That's the definition of that kind of loss: that of course it could happen, but it shouldn't! The "can't" in this case is not an "unable to" but more of a "really really really unlikely and unexpected to and feels TERRIBLE that it is." I don't know. How many people on this board are really surprised or shocked by the loss? Not me. Disappointed, sick to my stomach - yes. But not really surprised. Not after going through this year. But I do love the SG's levels of losing. And this was a horrible, horrible loss in terms of the disappointment, and the embarrassment on the national stage. That I will grant you.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Mar 19, 2010 15:25:23 GMT -5
afalcon10: I thought we'd come back too. Even at the 2-min mark in the 2d half I still thought we could pull it off. @cnyhoya. Fair enough. I can't speak for other board members (other than the 25 or so I was watching the game with who expressed their thoughts on the subject through so many four letter words) but personally, I was shocked. We all knew this team could lose---we were there at home for USF and saw the game on the road at Rutgers---but I thought they turned the corner once Austin was diagnosed and we ripped off four straight and then barely lost to WVU. Yesterday was definitely a surprise to me, at least.
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jacko
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Post by jacko on Mar 19, 2010 15:37:04 GMT -5
I forget how much time was left (less than 4) but we got within 7 with a JB 1-and-1 to bring it within 5. I thought we could come back until that point, but after that missed front end and an Ohio score, it was over to me.
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thornski
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Post by thornski on Mar 19, 2010 15:53:50 GMT -5
Yeah the 1-and-1 miss was brutal. Jacko - you were about right - according to ESPN play by play there was 4:09 left. I think if JB cans both of them, cuts it to 5, we have an excellent shot to pull off the comeback - plenty of time left. We had a ton of momentum at that point, and Ohio might've started to panic. But the miss plus dagger 3 absolutely sealed the deal.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Mar 19, 2010 15:54:11 GMT -5
I forget how much time was left (less than 4) but we got within 7 with a JB 1-and-1 to bring it within 5. I thought we could come back until that point, but after that missed front end and an Ohio score, it was over to me. Totally reasonable. I, on the other hand, am a delusional, irrational, raving lunatic when it comes to the Hoyas (I like to think it makes me a better person in the rest of life ;D)
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CAHoya07
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Post by CAHoya07 on Mar 19, 2010 16:33:38 GMT -5
I forget how much time was left (less than 4) but we got within 7 with a JB 1-and-1 to bring it within 5. I thought we could come back until that point, but after that missed front end and an Ohio score, it was over to me. I, on the other hand, am a delusional, irrational, raving lunatic when it comes to the Hoyas (I like to think it makes me a better person in the rest of life ;D) Me too. Of course, you were there chanting with me and singing the Fight Song for the entire final ten minutes when the closest we ever got in the game was 7. ;D When CBS switched to the other game with two minutes left, I watched our score on the top right corner as we drew to within 10 or 12 with 1:30 to play. I thought, stranger things have happened... Duke was down 10 to MD with a minute left and ended up winning in OT in the early 2000's, I think UNLV had come back from being down 10 with 30 to go at some point, and I had just watched the Reggie Miller vs. the Knicks 30 for 30 episode. Even when they marked Ohio as advancing on the tournament bracket, somehow I held out hope. Maybe this would be the most miraculous comeback of all-time, and the first time they called it too soon, maybe like Gore-Bush 2000 (OK, totally different, but can't help the comparison). Foolish? Delusional? For me, just part of being a fan: no matter how unfounded it is, no matter much how against the odds you may be... there is always hope. I was nervous at halftime when we were down 12. But we've come back from deficits before, and I was sure III would make the necessary halftime defensive adjustments. But we didn't, and they kept hitting EVERYTHING and actually built on their lead. Nervousness led to worry which lead to panic mode with about 10 minutes left. We finally drew within 7, but never any closer. I'm completely shocked that 1) we lost to a #14 seed, and 2) we got completely owned, losing by 14, and giving up 97 points. The way the team has been so up and down this season, a second round loss wouldn't have surprised me that much. But a huge 1st round upset in the way that we did was shocking.
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Mar 19, 2010 17:31:10 GMT -5
UGLY lets move and move and move on to next year IS IT KENNER YET GO HOYAS oh what a nite
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DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 20, 2010 2:11:58 GMT -5
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Post by midsouthhoya on Mar 20, 2010 7:27:08 GMT -5
Disappointing 'analysis' by Clarke. The "system" does not cause the ball to squirt out of players' hands or miss layups. It does not cause players to commit traveling violations in the low post. It's not responsible for missing freak rebounds that come off the side of the backboard (not that one bad bounce cost the game).
Fewer Hoya turnovers along with more rebounds (and a frighteningly close victory) and the post-game conversation would have been, not the tired one about the system, but a commentary on how Ohio put up a great fight with outstanding shooting and excellent (but just not good enough to get the job done) offensive execution.
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bmartin
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Post by bmartin on Mar 20, 2010 9:15:33 GMT -5
Lazy analysis just me-tooing Sally Jenkins lazy analysis.
I think this is about depth. Guys who play 35 minutes per game are not going to be full throttle intensity all the time. The effect is on defense. No aggressive team plays a short rotation. Liz says Ohio starters played as much as Georgetown's. Well maybe that is why they were only 7-9 in the MAC. They obviously did not show up with this intensity to a lot of their games. As to the system, look at the current Princeton defense under former GU assistant Sydney Johnson. They are one of the best defensive teams in the country even adjusted for competition. Sydney plays 8 players at least 16 minutes per game and they are different players that create different matchups. They can play position defense and make teams shoot over them or they can play more agressively and go for turnovers. The key defensive player is Kareem Maddox a forward Sydney uses the way JTIII used PE Jr. Maddox can guard 1 through 5. He shut down Lin when Princeton beat Harvard twice. He shut down Wittman when Princeton lost two close games to Cornell. If Georgetown had a comparable player he could have guarded Butler, Jones, Hansbrough, the Rutger guy, et al.
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Post by afalcon10 on Mar 20, 2010 13:33:07 GMT -5
See, most agree the Princeton offense does not fit a program that actually has athletes!
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Mar 20, 2010 13:34:41 GMT -5
See, most agree the Princeton offense does not fit a program that actually has athletes! Who is "most?" 84 points or whatever it was should be enough to beat any 14 seed.
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Post by afalcon10 on Mar 20, 2010 13:42:34 GMT -5
See, most agree the Princeton offense does not fit a program that actually has athletes! Who is "most?" 84 points or whatever it was should be enough to beat any 14 seed. Everybody. Nobody else runs it.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Mar 20, 2010 13:44:42 GMT -5
Who is "most?" 84 points or whatever it was should be enough to beat any 14 seed. Everybody. Nobody else runs it. Go watch some basketball and get back to us on that. John Beilein says hi. Chris Mooney says hi. Sydney Johnson says hi. Herb Sendek says hi.
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Post by stafford72 on Mar 20, 2010 13:52:34 GMT -5
Three NBA teams use a modified Princeton offense. I guess there are no athletes in the NBA. Enough of this Princeton offense crap. We score plus 90 against North Carolina, Villanova, and Duke. The offense works just fine. Listen to the media and coaches who love to watch our offense when it is clicking. Offense did not lose games this season. Poor defense, rampant turnovers, and inadequate rebounding and toughness did. Also, no matter how well you play sometimes, the other team is out there and playing better that day. No one wins them all.
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chep3
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Post by chep3 on Mar 20, 2010 13:56:59 GMT -5
I didn't read through the vast majority of the thread but why is offense being mentioned? We didn't lose this game because of the Princeton offense or because of anything we did or didn't do on the offensive end. We lost because we couldn't play a lick of defense.
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