robbyt
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Post by robbyt on Feb 19, 2010 13:52:29 GMT -5
GU is notoriously cheap and historically bad at handling its funds, across the university. They stick students (I was one) with fees for anything possible, even the smallest items. They are always looking to make a buck. It is really pathetic.
If the school had any pride and valor it would buy swaths of tickets and sell them for low prices to students along the sidelines. Instead, they jack up the price of even the crappy behind-the-basket seats. I was one of the few students who attended nearly every game during the Iverson era. That's pathetic. It should have been packed.
GU Financially is a racket.
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Post by dcc33 on Feb 19, 2010 13:55:08 GMT -5
In a 20,000 seat arena, there will always be games where there is a large (and in the case of cuse/wvu, vocal and obnoxious) contingent. The annoying part is that unless you are a student, you are likely to be sitting next to them.
I really wish GU would create a special class of tickets where the seat owners could purchase their seats, but only in such a way that only they can use the seats (or be handed back to the university for distribution through the alumni database). I'm not sure how they could do this, but I'm sure its possible. Reserve however many of these tickets you sell to a couple sections/side of the lower bowl. This would have 2 advantages - we wouldn't have to worry about being surrounded by opposing fans, and if there is enough demand to fill up most of one side of the lower bowl with these tickets, about 75% of the area surrounding the floor (combined with the student and young alum sections) would be legit fans and more conducive to a home court advantage.
I would happily forego the option to resell the few games I cannot attend for a guarantee that in the games I do attend, I will be in friendly territory. Am I alone in thinking this is a good idea? Call it the Hoya Hoop Loyalty Club or something, play up the advantages for the home court (emphasize wearing grey), and I think a lot of people would be willing to buy seats with restricted re-sale rights.
Also, can we please try to schedule games like this on the weekend? Its a lot easier to pre-game and be pumped and loud for a game like this when you're not coming directly from work. Unlike most of the cuse fans last night, I don't have a job that allows me to start drinking at noon...
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lurkerhoya
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Post by lurkerhoya on Feb 19, 2010 13:56:44 GMT -5
Just a thought, but I wonder how much the Thursday night aspect of this game had on attendance in the sense of the weekend warriors, notably from NYC, who surely would have come if not for the Thursday slot.
As it is, the ticket office should just make a more concerted effort to make sure Hoya fans have first crack at the seats they want. Then, you can stick the trash in the 400s.
Perhaps this game should have been included in the 5-game package simply to ensure that at least the tickets went to Hoya fans first, who may have done a better job of making sure they went to Hoya fans if they decided not to go?
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Dhall
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Post by Dhall on Feb 19, 2010 14:06:23 GMT -5
Another stop-gap measure would be to have the University work with the Verizon Center to ensure that opposing teams fans are not ruining the experience for the home fans. I think it's totally reasonable to expect that opposing fans should be restricted from stirring the pot with the majority of the attendees. That way, when an obnoxious Syracuse fan starts taunting, you just walk to the usher and tell them about it. They get a warning, and then they get booted from the arena if they do it again on the grounds that they are abusive or trying to instigate a fight. Yes, there would be a double-standard for them compared to Hoyas fans. It's called the home-court advantage. If people behave appropriately, it's not the end of the world to be sitting next to someone rooting for the other team - it can in fact be fun if it is kept civil and lighthearted.
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PhillyHoya
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Post by PhillyHoya on Feb 19, 2010 14:37:36 GMT -5
Another stop-gap measure would be to have the University work with the Verizon Center to ensure that opposing teams fans are not ruining the experience for the home fans. I think it's totally reasonable to expect that opposing fans should be restricted from stirring the pot with the majority of the attendees. That way, when an obnoxious Syracuse fan starts taunting, you just walk to the usher and tell them about it. They get a warning, and then they get booted from the arena if they do it again on the grounds that they are abusive or trying to instigate a fight. We tried. The ushers didn't do crap last night. They were more interested in policing the students than taking care of the abusers.
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casualhoya
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Post by casualhoya on Feb 19, 2010 14:54:06 GMT -5
MEMO:
TO: THOSE THAT ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT HAVING CUSE FANS NEXT TO YOU FROM: CASUALHOYA
SEND ME THE SEAT LOCATIONS.
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Post by centercourt400s on Feb 19, 2010 14:54:39 GMT -5
Hey lurkerhoya... a lot of good solid Hoya fans sit in the 400's and we don't appreciate being called trash. Just because I only want to pay for a game ticket and not extra Hoop Club fees doesn't mean that I and my fellow 400ers should be subject to your apparent seat elitism. Save your insults for the drunken Syracuse slobs who were represented in every section, including yours I'm sure.
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lurkerhoya
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Post by lurkerhoya on Feb 19, 2010 14:58:19 GMT -5
Hey lurkerhoya... a lot of good solid Hoya fans sit in the 400's and we don't appreciate being called trash. Just because I only want to pay for a game ticket and not extra Hoop Club fees doesn't mean that I and my fellow 400ers should be subject to your apparent seat elitism. Save your insults for the drunken Syracuse slobs who were represented in every section, including yours I'm sure. By trash I meant the Syracuse fans who would gobble up the 400 level seats if we were better at keeping the lower bowl in Gray. I too sit in the 400s for most games, Brother. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 19, 2010 15:55:07 GMT -5
We really should move the students to behind the benches. Not only will this help with our home court advantage from our students and lower bowl being full, but the other side can be made into the Hoya Hoop Loyalty Club (or w/e). This section of alumni would be louder not only b/c of their increased "loyalty" but the fact that the waves of sound from student section would cause them to be louder as well. My only concern would be the impact on our FT defense but we could make behind the baskets YA sections and for those less well off Alumni.
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DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 19, 2010 16:01:15 GMT -5
The ticket office and the AD are listening and are, contrary to some posters' opinion, always interested in making the Verizon game experience better for us Hoya fans. Here is a reply they provided in response to several board participants' (and other ticket holders') questions about the large number of opposing fans last night:
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Post by hoyaterp25 on Feb 19, 2010 16:02:04 GMT -5
re: Casual hoya- 2 miserable girls in 107 row n seats 14 and 15 (or possibly 13/14, not totally sure but regardless they were screaming bloody murder in my ear the whole game)
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Post by putinnat on Feb 19, 2010 16:18:12 GMT -5
random thoughts: I know multiple Syracuse fans who are gtown season ticket holders just so that they can (hopefully given the unbalanced schedule) see their team in person once a year. This is probably a very small minority, but these people exist. I finally found out who the owner of Section 113, row H seats 1-6 were last night. The Washington Post I have never seen a Gtown fan in those seats in the 6 years I have owned the seats behind them-it is always a Duke fan or a Nova fan, or in the case last night, 6 people who got a call at noon yesterday that the seats were available if they wanted them-I know this because the kid that sat in those seats works for me and his older brother hooked him up with the tix. Needless to say the threat of me making his life miserable convinced him and his 5 buddies to cheer for us.
So that is another aspect to consider-a lot of law firms and other corporate types have seats...and generally the opposing fans are the ones much eager to snap up those tickets. not sure how you work around that...
finally, and most disappointing to me, I am a TA for a class of 32 students. only 5 went to the game last night.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 19, 2010 16:23:45 GMT -5
If the school had any pride and valor it would buy swaths of tickets and sell them for low prices to students along the sidelines. This is an intriguing idea. What if you could buy seat upgrades as students or in person at the arena (limit scalping) if you are a season ticket holder? The University doesn't have the cash (years of mismanagement) to buy swaths, but it's an idea for the charity tickets or for a group of tickets. I'm not sure it would work, but you could even tie it to the points system people were talking about for students.
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PhillyHoya
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Post by PhillyHoya on Feb 19, 2010 16:25:48 GMT -5
Proposal for next season, per what the AD has said: If you can so afford it, when they do those extra single game sales in November, BUY TICKETS. We did it for Duke so you can do it for other games. Sell the tickets on here to real Hoya fans (as you can see there's always demand in the weeks and days leading up to big games). If I'm making enough to spare the cash in November, you bet I'll buy Nova, Cuse, WVU or whatever tickets I can to ensure Hoyas always fill those seats.
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 19, 2010 16:27:42 GMT -5
No offense, but why should the students get those seats? What about the students has convinced everyone that they are the loyal fans deserving of prime locations? We already subsidize student seats, and many nights, we are looking at about 300 students at the game. No thanks. Students should stay where they are, IMO, unless we move to another arena, or the seats start overflowing for every game.
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 19, 2010 16:49:38 GMT -5
No offense, but why should the students get those seats? What about the students has convinced everyone that they are the loyal fans deserving of prime locations? We already subsidize student seats, and many nights, we are looking at about 300 students at the game. No thanks. Students should stay where they are, IMO, unless we move to another arena, or the seats start overflowing for every game. The students were there in force at least an hour before the game. They easily overflow the sections (going up to the 400s) on weekend games and marquee matchups. No problem with moving them behind the baskets for weekday games or holiday games but big games they should be there. The reason the students should have those seats is because they have SOME type of coordination. The alumni have ZERO coordination, are practically silent compared to the yelling 18-22 year olds, and they sit down for 95% of the game.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 19, 2010 16:50:18 GMT -5
No offense, but why should the students get those seats? What about the students has convinced everyone that they are the loyal fans deserving of prime locations? We already subsidize student seats, and many nights, we are looking at about 300 students at the game. No thanks. Students should stay where they are, IMO, unless we move to another arena, or the seats start overflowing for every game. Would you prefer students or Syracuse fans? I'm not talking about seats that you have season tickets for; I'm talking about the ones that get rereleased to Verizon or whatever. Maybe robby was thinking the whole section, but me, I was just thinking day or game upgrade type stuff.
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 19, 2010 16:57:07 GMT -5
Yeah, i was probably making a more general comment about all the seats in the lower bowl along the sidelines and behind the benches, which has been thrown out there.
IMO, we are overstating/mistating the issue. If it causes change, I am fine with it. But, I dont agree that there is a huge problem with lower bowl selling of tickets, especially in the prime locations. In the corners, for some reason, there is an issue. And, I am not informed on why that is? That is the HHC area or YA area? Not sure?
I think it mattered more last night because the entire upper bowl was filled with Syracuse fans and, lets face it, because they were kicking our butt all night.
The problem is the arena.
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 19, 2010 17:00:47 GMT -5
No offense, but why should the students get those seats? What about the students has convinced everyone that they are the loyal fans deserving of prime locations? We already subsidize student seats, and many nights, we are looking at about 300 students at the game. No thanks. Students should stay where they are, IMO, unless we move to another arena, or the seats start overflowing for every game. The students were there in force at least an hour before the game. They easily overflow the sections (going up to the 400s) on weekend games and marquee matchups. No problem with moving them behind the baskets for weekday games or holiday games but big games they should be there. The reason the students should have those seats is because they have SOME type of coordination. The alumni have ZERO coordination, are practically silent compared to the yelling 18-22 year olds, and they sit down for 95% of the game. I respectfully disagree. The students are only there in those numbers for Duke and Syracuse. Perhaps, they would have been much better for Nova, so I will give you that. But, the notion that they should get middle of the arena, best seats in the house, when season ticket holders spend $1,000s for those seats and show up 95% of the time, is silly. There were smatterings of Orange in those prime spots, but very little. Again, I think people are way overstating the issue. The season ticket holders in the middle of the lower bowl are great fans.
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Post by Fan Of The Game on Feb 22, 2010 18:22:04 GMT -5
I'll concur with GUJook97. Syracuse fans are loud. And obnoxious. And they stand out because they wear orange, and most Georgetown fans wear blue, gray, street clothes, or sometimes Hawaiian. But it was much louder when Georgetown was coming back then it was when Syracuse was on a run; it wasn't even remotely close. Syracuse neutralized our home court advantage by kicking our @sses for 28 minutes but this was by no means a neutral court. I did a quick count of orange clad fans in the six lower-bowl side-line sections and they came out to about 10-15%. Definitely an overstated issue.
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