jgalt
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Post by jgalt on Dec 1, 2009 0:29:41 GMT -5
How has no one mentioned the flat top on that number 0. Man that was sweet. Wish some of our guys would put a little personality in to it. Nikkita mohawk anyone?
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Dec 1, 2009 0:33:58 GMT -5
How has no one mentioned the flat top on that number 0. Man that was sweet. Wish some of our guys would put a little personality in to it. Nikkita mohawk anyone? I have a feeling there's a team rule that requires the buzz cuts everyone on the team has, likely instituted JT3's second year here (when Jeff went from Predator to buzzed). For example, Vee had a flat top his senior year of high school and Julian was rocking a faux hawk this summer during Kenner, but both have buzz cuts now. And yes, I have thought about this a lot. Why do you ask?
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Dec 1, 2009 0:35:05 GMT -5
I did in a roundabout way. I thought of it as the Nino Brown look. Tillmon said something to the effect of he wasn't sure whether or not he should refer to him as Kid 'N Play.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 1, 2009 0:37:47 GMT -5
The other thing no one mentioned was the pass that Clark missed that nailed some lady wearing blue in the floor seats right in the bean. Had to Tivo that back a couple of times. That and the brief Hoya retrospective (on MASN) with a pretty Shelton dunk.
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Post by strummer8526 on Dec 1, 2009 0:50:29 GMT -5
This was a damn good game. My one complaint: GREG HAS GOTTA FINISH! Stop flinging the ball at the rim and start either being more assertive or using more finesse. But just tossing the ball up towards the backboard doesn't get it done.
This team could be very very good. I love our pace this year. I said to one of my friends that we're not running the shot clock this year. We're not just bopping the ball around the perimeter. We are slashing to the hoop, both with and without the ball. It looks really good.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 1, 2009 0:53:20 GMT -5
This was a damn good game. My one complaint: GREG HAS GOTTA FINISH! Stop flinging the ball at the rim and start either being more assertive or using more finesse. But just tossing the ball up towards the backboard doesn't get it done. This team could be very very good. I love our pace this year. I said to one of my friends that we're not running the shot clock this year. We're not just bopping the ball around the perimeter. We are slashing to the hoop, both with and without the ball. It looks really good. What he said.
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Post by grokamok on Dec 1, 2009 0:55:34 GMT -5
Clark was great (did he really only score 12?), but what impressed me most when I really think about it was actually the play of CW. Not because of the points, but because he let the game come to him more than he forced his play on the game. Early in the first period, close to the time he made the snap wrap-around pass on the break to Monroe for the deuce, he took a contested three with no Hoya in any kind of rebounding position and with a ton of time left on the shot clock. I started waiting for more -- just a bit out of control, a little lack of patience, etc. -- but he surprised me. What I saw, instead, was considerably more maturity than I have been used to seeing from him. There was the exception of his moving too quickly to use Greg's pick once (an illegal screen was called on Greg because he wasn't set), but, though Tillmon remarked that this was Wright's fault for making the move too early, I think Greg could have been a little sharper in getting to the spot, himself. His points came because he got to good spots, took advantage when there was a clear path to the hole, etc., and he didn't force things too much. If he can keep that kind of mix of explosiveness and control, it will be huge for us. The interior play was good, but I don't think we'd be able to get the same boards with that play against taller teams. Nice to see few offensive rebounds for the opposition, but there's still work to do, and conditioning will be very important for our bigs if we hope to keep the 'Gody's and Onuwaku's of the world from getting so many putbacks. The ability of Thompson and Clark to snag boards from the 2 & 3 spots is certainly a nice luxury to have, though. Jumping ahead to next year for a second....how in the world are we going to find the minutes to play Wright, Freeman, Clark, Vee and Markel in our backcourt? No doubt this will rival the backcourt of Brown, Smith, Horace, Wingate and Jackson. Rolling substitutions and playing Wingate at the 3 worked back then. Not putting them in the same class, but if Free works on his defense a bit...
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Post by CTHoya08 on Dec 1, 2009 0:55:37 GMT -5
I would really like to see some of this. As much as I love crushing cupcakes in theory, the lack of TV coverage is no fun. Can't wait to see this team in HD.
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Post by sleepy on Dec 1, 2009 2:10:22 GMT -5
Just as the over the top pessimism was uncalled for after the Temple game, I think the extreme opptimism is a bit too premature after beating Lafeyette and Mt St Marys. Normally I would have no problem with too much optimism, but the only result of it on this board is over the top negativity and dissapointment after a sub-par performance. Yes, its all "Jason Clark is great!" and "I like the way we are running the offense" now, but just wait until we play a bad game or God forbid lose a game. All we will hear is how the offense needs to go, Chris needs to go, no ones improved,Henry has no hope, Hollis is overrated etc etc blah blah blah.
Personally I would rather this board stay level headed and unemotional until around February and March when games actually matter. And yes, I realize thats like asking the Pope to convert to Judaism, but I thought I would give it a shot anyway.
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Post by richfame on Dec 1, 2009 6:12:42 GMT -5
Guys we should beat teams of this caliber, Greg should have monster games and should be able to finish with his off hand. We did exactly what we suppose to do here, nothing more nothing less. There is no reason to be over-giddy here, its about winning in march and winning titles. The yankees dont go crazy when then beat the jays in april. Good win hopefully many more to comin the big east season.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Dec 1, 2009 6:54:48 GMT -5
after watching the last two games, i am really impressed with this team. offensively, we're very efficient, other than the stretch in the 2nd half last night where we took some bad shots. julian has been great, though i don't want to see him shooting 3's from the top of the key. greg has been ok. i still see some of the same problems as last year but his defense and rebounding have improved. i'm very happy with the guards. chris seems to have found his shot. clark is easily the most improved (and also my favorite current hoya). he looks like a completely different player offensively. freeman is freeman. he doesn't force things and lets the game come to him. hollis has been very impressive. the shot we all knew about, but i like the way he flows in the offense, has long arms on defense, and he hits the boards well for a kid that can tread water in a garden hose. love the energy henry brings to the floor on the defensive end. we need that going into next week and the BE schedule. great to see vee and jerelle get minutes.
great start going into the tough stretch next week.
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 1, 2009 7:35:02 GMT -5
This team could be very very good. I love our pace this year. I said to one of my friends that we're not running the shot clock this year. We're not just bopping the ball around the perimeter. We are slashing to the hoop, both with and without the ball. It looks really good. Lets hold up. When this team played Temple, the toughest team Gtown has gone up against so far, it looked just as hesitant and pointlessly shot-clock exhausting as last season's team did when it was in a rut. I believe in the talent in this team and have stated so for months. But the aggression on offense needs to be maintained when it goes up against the better teams. Once I see that I will feel better about this squad's chances of competing for the BE crown.
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Post by JB5 on Dec 1, 2009 8:03:42 GMT -5
Once again we held a high-scoring opposing guard (Goode) to relatively few points. Clark and Wright being able to do this consistently will be important when we get to the Big East this year.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Dec 1, 2009 8:29:35 GMT -5
This team could be very very good. I love our pace this year. I said to one of my friends that we're not running the shot clock this year. We're not just bopping the ball around the perimeter. We are slashing to the hoop, both with and without the ball. It looks really good. Lets hold up. When this team played Temple, the toughest team Gtown has gone up against so far, it looked just as hesitant and pointlessly shot-clock exhausting as last season's team did when it was in a rut. I believe in the talent in this team and have stated so for months. But the aggression on offense needs to be maintained when it goes up against the better teams. Once I see that I will feel better about this squad's chances of competing for the BE crown. My thoughts exactly. Running the offense briskly and getting more rebounds is great practice against the cupcakes of the world but the only game played so far with a major D1 school, Temple, the Hoyas did not look like a well oiled machine. They are able to make their cuts now and get to the basket , but when they play D1 teams with big men who have good defenses and they continue to make these brisk cuts and fight for the rebounds despite gettting bumped consistantly then we can heap lavish praise on this group. Clark and Wright will continue to be aggressive because they did it that way last year(hopefully Chris will temper it with smart decisions). The question is will Hollis and Julian be as aggressive on offense and on the boards also.
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Post by SirSaxa on Dec 1, 2009 8:30:06 GMT -5
This team could be very very good. I love our pace this year. I said to one of my friends that we're not running the shot clock this year. We're not just bopping the ball around the perimeter. We are slashing to the hoop, both with and without the ball. It looks really good. Lets hold up. When this team played Temple, the toughest team Gtown has gone up against so far, it looked just as hesitant and pointlessly shot-clock exhausting as last season's team did when it was in a rut. I believe in the talent in this team and have stated so for months. But the aggression on offense needs to be maintained when it goes up against the better teams. Once I see that I will feel better about this squad's chances of competing for the BE crown. MCI -- I agree with you. But the Temple game was what, our second game? Yes, they were tougher. But GU is also making significant early season progress. I like seeing the agressiveness and confidence -- especially on the part of Jason and Hollis. They are a HUGE addition to the team this year. And Julian is playing far better than last year. The team looks cohesive... they look like a T-E-A-M. You are right about getting a much better read on this team's potential following the Butler and Washington games. But the early signs are very positive. The talent these kids have is showing through.
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Post by SirSaxa on Dec 1, 2009 8:33:42 GMT -5
This was a damn good game. My one complaint: GREG HAS GOTTA FINISH! Stop flinging the ball at the rim and start either being more assertive or using more finesse. But just tossing the ball up towards the backboard doesn't get it done. This team could be very very good. I love our pace this year. I said to one of my friends that we're not running the shot clock this year. We're not just bopping the ball around the perimeter. We are slashing to the hoop, both with and without the ball. It looks really good. Agree with this too strummer. Greg needs to finish and he DESPERATELY needs to work on his right hand! Maybe JT3 should tie Greg's left hand behind his back in practice. I was actually shocked at how he goes back to his left hand in almost every circumstance. It is HUGELY important for him to develop that and thank god he did not go to the pros with that major flaw so apparent.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Dec 1, 2009 9:03:57 GMT -5
Sir, I think that was what Greg was working on. He didn't finish but he is working on it now versus starting during BE competition. I was glad to see this.
I was also impressed with the Mount. They were quick and shot really well I thought. Remember, they were a tourney team last year and we were not.
My last note was I was happy to see Chris hit some shots. He seemed pressed that his shot wasn't falling the past few games. Every player will go through a stretch like this during the season and they just need to keep taking the good shots they get.
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Dec 1, 2009 9:35:02 GMT -5
I agree w/ CHHoya, from my view it seemed like a lot of Greg's misses last night were from him using his right hand (until he cleaned up w/ 10 points in about 4 minutes in the second half).
So while it's definitely frustrating that he's not hitting them, it seems clear that he's working on it.
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Post by GUJook97 on Dec 1, 2009 9:41:00 GMT -5
Yeah, you want to use these games to work on things, and I think Greg did that yesterday. I also thought he would have been called for some walks in a tougher, perhaps road, big east game. He got the benefit of the home blowout win calls. He still has a bit of a hesitation right under the basket where it seems like he shuffles his feet. It could be just my perspective.
On the plus side, I dont care who we are playing, agressiveness on the boards is agressiveness on the boards, and this team is much better so far in that category. I clearly remember us barely outrebounding and sometimes getting outrebounded by very mediocre to bad teams last year, even in wins. So, you cant take that away from this team so far.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Dec 1, 2009 9:50:42 GMT -5
One other note was I like Sims getting run in these games. 15 mins according to the box score. With only Vaughan & Monroe as bigs, we will need a third to compete later in the season and God forbid if an injury were to occur.
Bennimon getting in helps as we might need five to ten minutes out of him as well just to bang. Small ball will work against a lot of squads this year but the big bodies at Cuse, Uconn, Lville, etc. will require some added depth.
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