savannah state OUCH wins a win BUT

[lichoya68]

YEAH JUST OUCH PRETTY DEPRESSED AFTER SEEING CUSE LAST NITE AND THEIR AMAZING TRANSFER MAYBE THE BEST GUY ON THE COURT AND THEY WERE PLAYING CAROLINA AND THEN HEARING THE END OF THE SAVANNAH STATE GAME DID WE GET TO 33% PERCENT FROM THE LINE just ouch come on hoyas gotta get it going now... ouch

[lichoya68]

and that cuse guy reminded me of kevin durant and carmello anthony THAT GOOD

[sweetness]

Unfortunately he may be the best player in the country -- at least the best I've seen thus far.

[gtowndynasty]

I said the same thing, about Wes Johnson. That kid is a star!

It should also be noted that he is 5 years removed from hs, but still. A top 10 pick next year without a doubt. Hollis will have his hands full when we play cuse. Nikita will be too slow and Austin/Clark too small.

[Boz]

This thread is dangerously close to a "I'm afraid of Syracuse" thread and thus should be locked and quarantined immediately.

I don't care who Syracuse has on their team. Georgetown can and will beat them.

[HoyaSinceBirth]

Amen Boz! Don't worry guys Cuse is just pulling a Georgetown 2009. They'll crash and burn.

[HooHoya]

Hope you're right. They looked pretty good last night.

[nashvillehoyas]

This could very well be one of Syracuse's better team. Great for the Big East. We (Hoyas) have a few cup cakes to get our act together. I don't want our strength to be determined by the weakness of our opponents. Go Big East.....Lets go Hoyas!

[LizziebethHoya]

Nov 21, 2009 16:24:21 GMT -5 Boz said:

This thread is dangerously close to a "I'm afraid of Syracuse" thread and thus should be locked and quarantined immediately.

I don't care who Syracuse has on their team. Georgetown can and will beat them.

AMEN

[dchoyafan]

Doug Gottleib:

"So does this impressive MSG performance mean Syracuse is the new Big East favorite? Well, UConn struggles to shoot and has no big men at the level of the Orange. Nova still seems to be searching for what it lost in Dante Cunningham. Georgetown has three good players, but unless the Hoyas bore opponents to death, they are not winning the Big East. Louisville was really impressive against an undermanned Arkansas team, but no one can trust Edgar Sosa to be consistent yet. Pitt is missing its top two guards and the Panthers are down anyway. WVU has two great wings, but without Alex Ruoff, can the Mountaineers shoot? And how good is their point guard play?

So the more you watch Syracuse -- and the more you think about the Big East big picture -- the more you buy in to the Orange. Maybe, just maybe, they are the best team in the conference. "

Yes, Syracuse looked good in the first two weeks of the season. Yes, we had an aesthetically terrible showing against Temple. But still, biased at all Gottleib?

Give it time. We of all people should know that a team can look radically different in November from how it will in February. Johnson is the real deal however, and the Big East will be strong even in a down year.

[HoyaSinceBirth]

I hope we do bore everyone to death in the big east. Everyone would hate us so much.

[mapei]

Seems on the money to me, based on a couple of weeks' worth of info.

[strummer8526]

Nov 21, 2009 18:43:42 GMT -5 dchoyafan said:

Doug Gottleib:

"So does this impressive MSG performance mean Syracuse is the new Big East favorite? Well, UConn struggles to shoot and has no big men at the level of the Orange. Nova still seems to be searching for what it lost in Dante Cunningham. Georgetown has three good players, but unless the Hoyas bore opponents to death, they are not winning the Big East. Louisville was really impressive against an undermanned Arkansas team, but no one can trust Edgar Sosa to be consistent yet. Pitt is missing its top two guards and the Panthers are down anyway. WVU has two great wings, but without Alex Ruoff, can the Mountaineers shoot? And how good is their point guard play?

So the more you watch Syracuse -- and the more you think about the Big East big picture -- the more you buy in to the Orange. Maybe, just maybe, they are the best team in the conference. "

Yes, Syracuse looked good in the first two weeks of the season. Yes, we had an aesthetically terrible showing against Temple. But still, biased at all Gottleib?

Give it time. We of all people should know that a team can look radically different in November from how it will in February. Johnson is the real deal however, and the Big East will be strong even in a down year.

Yes, sharp basketball analysis, old Dougie boy. We're "boring." Is that really a meaningful basketball term that says anything about our ability to win ball games?

[vcjack]

Nov 21, 2009 19:08:02 GMT -5 strummer8526 said:

Nov 21, 2009 18:43:42 GMT -5 dchoyafan said:

Doug Gottleib:

"So does this impressive MSG performance mean Syracuse is the new Big East favorite? Well, UConn struggles to shoot and has no big men at the level of the Orange. Nova still seems to be searching for what it lost in Dante Cunningham. Georgetown has three good players, but unless the Hoyas bore opponents to death, they are not winning the Big East. Louisville was really impressive against an undermanned Arkansas team, but no one can trust Edgar Sosa to be consistent yet. Pitt is missing its top two guards and the Panthers are down anyway. WVU has two great wings, but without Alex Ruoff, can the Mountaineers shoot? And how good is their point guard play?

So the more you watch Syracuse -- and the more you think about the Big East big picture -- the more you buy in to the Orange. Maybe, just maybe, they are the best team in the conference. "

Yes, Syracuse looked good in the first two weeks of the season. Yes, we had an aesthetically terrible showing against Temple. But still, biased at all Gottleib?

Give it time. We of all people should know that a team can look radically different in November from how it will in February. Johnson is the real deal however, and the Big East will be strong even in a down year.

Yes, sharp basketball analysis, old Dougie boy. We're "boring." Is that really a meaningful basketball term that says anything about our ability to win ball games?

It also shows that he hasn't actually watched us yet if he thinks there's a big dropoff between Chris, Austin, Greg and Jason.

[RDF]

I'd just to like to go back when all of the "talking heads" were saying:

"I'd love to see what an athletic group of players can do with the Princeton Type of Offense".

Now it's:

"This is boring".

I never cared for Princeton basketball due to it's style but I understood why they did it--coach's job is to give his team best chance to win. That being said--I believe there is way too much emphasis placed on how you play--if you have the talent--you can do anything and it'll look good.

Hoyas right now lack versatility that fits this system at it's best. You need a tall frontcourt of guys who can post/face and are highly skilled. Georgetown has Greg and........which has led us to where they were last year and are right now. Vaughn/Sims have to improve or this team isn't going far and III's addressed part of the problem with Lubick--but needs 2-4 more guys who can play upfront (depending on what Greg does--but think we all expect him to leave--if he stays--next year will be closest to having the right fit with Monroe/Lubick since Jeff left Roy alone with PEJR).

[mapei]

Speaking of whom, the guy who Wes Johnson reminded me of was Jeff Green.

[NCHoya]

Since nearly none of us actually saw this game, I think we can take some solace in the fact the AP story calls it a "dominating performance" as the "Hoyas cruised" to victory. Obviously, that tells us all the score is not indicative of the game. Someone mentioned SS was milking the shot clock so when you think about the time we normally take and what they were taking. a 19 win is a pretty wide disparity.

Looking at the box score, my only concern is with the TOs and the amount by Monroe. Clark is clearly a player and Wright had a terrific game. The rebounding seems to be improved and 10 blocks is pretty decent. The bench got a lot of run today which is great. If we can take care of the ball better, we should be OK.

[SFHoya99]

Nov 21, 2009 20:09:48 GMT -5 mapei said:

Speaking of whom, the guy who Wes Johnson reminded me of was Jeff Green.

Really? I don't see that at all. Johnson is a nice player, but I'm going to wait longer to see if this hot shooting lasts. He had a real problem with shot selection at Iowa State, and maybe that's gone away.

He's a volume shooter at heart, which Jeff is not. He's a straight wing, which Jeff is/was not.

He is averaging less than 2 assists, from a perimeter position. His A:TO is below 1. Neither of those are paricularly Jeff-like. He really has no real low post game.

He's shooting 45% from the line, which may hint that his 47% from 3 isn't going to last.

[mapei]

I'm basing it on last night's game, the only time I've seen him.

[FLHoya]

Nov 21, 2009 20:13:41 GMT -5 SFHoya99 said:

Nov 21, 2009 20:09:48 GMT -5 mapei said:

Speaking of whom, the guy who Wes Johnson reminded me of was Jeff Green.

Really? I don't see that at all. Johnson is a nice player, but I'm going to wait longer to see if this hot shooting lasts. He had a real problem with shot selection at Iowa State, and maybe that's gone away.

He's a volume shooter at heart, which Jeff is not. He's a straight wing, which Jeff is/was not.

He is averaging less than 2 assists, from a perimeter position. His A:TO is below 1. Neither of those are paricularly Jeff-like. He really has no real low post game.

He's shooting 45% from the line, which may hint that his 47% from 3 isn't going to last.

I said in the other thread that Cuse has "spurtability". This implies they can be very good on a game-by-game basis, like last night, and even within a single game for 3-4 minute stretches.

But the season isn't measured in a spurt. I think their first several games are a very positive sign, but nothing that's making me willing to anoint them a conference favorite over any of the other 5-6 BE teams fighting for that distinction at the moment. Especially since we haven't seen the other top contenders against high level competition (UConn should be playing Duke pretty soon in the P-NIT I think)